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Quote# 134296



Unknown, Neatorama 22 Comments [11/17/2017 4:00:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu’s On First

Quote# 134338

Love and fidelity have nothing to do with homosexuals.

Btw, if reading stuff you don't agree with upsets you, I suggest you stick with blogs you agree with. No need to stress yourself by finding out that people don't all see the world exactly as you do. When you troll a Christian blog, you just might run a Christian or two.

Vince, Christian News Network 5 Comments [11/18/2017 1:07:10 PM]
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Quote# 134339

(=Two comments on the same thread by the same guy regarding an Ex-Flat-Earther coming out against the movement=)

Comment One: Just by accepting the Earth as a "globe" and by loving it most people are worshipping baal! There are so many inconsistencies within pseudo science. Neil Tyson says the Earth is shaped like an oblong pear but the several "photos" from NASA show a perfectly globular spheroid shaped earth. So which is it NASA? Then there are other mistakes NASA has made and you can see this for yourself by comparing different pics of the globe from different years. In all pictures the overall shape of the Earth is the same size yet the continents in view are larger and smaller from one pic to the next. Also, NASA says you can plainly see the curvature of earth at a specified height and when amateur photos are taken from balloons thousands of feet above this height with a camera that doesn't use a fisheye lens you can clearly see a flat horizon. The Pythagorean Theorem proves that Earth is either thousands times bigger than what NASA states or its flat. Laser tests also prove this and there is no religious dogma about any of that. There is no such thing as "gravity", it's never been proven to exist. No study has ever shown there to be a "gravity particle". Density and buoyancy explain away what you think gravity is. No need for your magical "gravity". Besides the idea of gravity was only invented to explain away all of heliocentrism. I'm not "emotional" about any of this mind you. It is just fact, nothing more, nothing less.

Comment two: Just another shill. However instead of using ad hominem attacks he's using a different tactic to try and discredit the Earth being flat and stationary. He's technical jargon that most do not understand to try and deceive people into believing the earth isn't flat and stationary. He's talking about how lights and lasers supposedly bend but refuses to bring up the things I stated in my previous comment, which blows the globe model out of the water. It's already been debunked. We do not live on a globe.

Brent Anderson, Facebook 12 Comments [11/18/2017 1:07:14 PM]
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Quote# 134274

Regarding all this "paedophilia" crap I more and more see the idiotic argument that every adult is automatically in a position of authority over an teen.

What nonsense !

The idea that adults always have a power over a teen in sexual relationships is an ridiculous lie. If you have a teen of about 13 with some intelligence and a needy guy of, say, 25, with not much success with women, guess what will happen? Once she gives him pussy she basically has all the power over him.

SHE WILL PROBABLY LEARN HOW TO CONTROL HIM, believe it or not. She will learn she has something he needs badly and will use that to her advantage. The guy literally has to do what she asks for sex, she makes him buy her stuff and do stuff for her, and at any times she can withhold sex and manipulate him that way.

The idea that HE is somehow in charge is so absurd and unrelated to reality that it boggles the mind. Even if he had some sexual experience before her and she had none it doesn't matter at all, since doesn't stop her from realizing the power she has and using it like a pro.

I have seen this first hand, from an experience my, um, "friend" had :D

caamib, Eivind Berge's Blog 9 Comments [11/17/2017 3:06:38 AM]
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Quote# 134284


I'm Dean, I'm 22 years old, from the UK and I'm an anti-contact paedophile exclusively attracted to boys ages 2-13. Paedophilia isn't wrong acting on it is. I'm a leader with a youth group.

My messages and asks are always open and I'm always happy to talk, you can message me here, twitter or discord. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask and I'll do my best to answer them.

I run a discord server for anti-contact MAPs with a friend, if you want more info message me here or on discord Dean#5840, non-MAP supporters and anyone interested in learning more are welcome too.

Daily reminder that if you’re a MAP, considers yourself “anti contact” or “non offending” and you work around children, interact with children or go to public places where there are a lot of children,
You’re not anti contact, you’re not non offending.
You purposely go in places to get close to children, and choose to work around children to get close to them.
Not only is this creepy as hell, but it’s also how offending pedophiles behaves to get closer to children to abuse them.


Um, yes, yes I am. I am anti-contact and non-offending by the definitions of those terms.
I choose to work around children because I like working with children, not to get close to them. Nothing creepy about it, I do it for the same reason any adult chooses to work with children and it’s no more creepy.
To be anti-contact means to be against all sexual, romantic or otherwise inappropriate contact with children. It’s the opposite of pro-contact. You can be around children and still be anti contact learn definitions before you try to use our terms.


You’re a pedophile. Working with kids. Thats “inappropriate contact”.
Also i find it very hard to belive you dont work with them to hurt them because YOU’RE A PEDOPHILE.



Did you even look at my blog for a second? Did you take a moment to look at MAPs blogs? Clearly not, because if you had you’d know we completely agree that adult/child relationships are inherently harmful and we are completely opposed to them! If you truly cared you’d spend just a little time looking at our blogs.
You never know, you might rape someone in the future, anyone could, so we should keep everyone locked away from everyone. 80% of child molesters aren’t paedophiles so shall we keep everyone away from children?
We should keep people that are likely to cause harm to children away from children, not those that don’t pose any immediate risk. Anti-contact MAPs don’t pose more of a risk to children than teleiophiles do, we fully understand that children are not capable of consenting and we understand the harm adult/child relationships can cause.
minor attracted person minor attracted people nomap pedophile pedophilia



dean-the-map, tumblr 5 Comments [11/17/2017 3:28:44 AM]
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Quote# 8479

Here's a little bit more of the proof that UFOs are demonological. [...] The most well known verses of Revelation 13 are quoted here -- the stamped image/666 verses.
Read them carefully. Verse 17 says that 666 in Verse 18 "stood for its name." So, what is the famous "name of the beast" that 666 stands for? Watch
A.................................1
B.................................2
C.................................3
D.................................4
E.................................5
F..............................6
G H I J K L M N
O.......................................6
P...........................................5
Q...........................................4
R...........................................3
S............................................2
T............................................1
U...................6
V.......................5
W......................4
X.......................3
Y.......................2

Z.......................1
U F O
So, treating 666 as what is referred to as a simple "atbash" code with the English alphabet as the key decodes "666" to the "name of the beast," "UFO."
Before skeptics jump all over this, I should point this out...
There are different version of the Book of Revelation in the ancient scrolls of the world. In one of those alternate versions of the Book of Revelation, the "number of the beast" isn't "666," but "616."
Watch.
A.............................1 b c d e f g h i j k l m n
O.......................................6
P...........................................5
Q...........................................4
R...........................................3
S............................................2
T............................................1
U..................6
V......................5
W.....................4
X......................3
Y......................2

Z......................1

U A O
"UAO" is the British version of "UFO." So, both versions of the famous "number of the beast" in ancient scrolls decode to UFO-related terms.

[...]

1 through 36 inclusive are arranged in the shape of an equilateral triangle, with 8 digits on the edge, like this...

<div align="center">1
2....3
4....5....6
7....8....9...10
11...12...13...14...15
16...17...18...19...20...21
22...23...24...25...26...27...28
29...30...31...32...33...34...35...36</div>

I separated the numbers by periods to try to insure even placement after the MSN system finishes "chewing-up" and "digesting" my post.
Now, here's the key: The natural numbers 1 through 36 add up to 666.
So, Pythagoras' equilateral triangle stands for "666."

Deep_MindQuest, Bibleforums.org 53 Comments [12/3/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 133484

Former members of Colleton Co. church allege sexual abuse, say it's a cult
By Harve Jacobs, Reporter

COLLETON COUNTY, SC (WCSC) - Former members of a Colleton County church have come forward saying they were sexually assaulted by the church's leader.

The leader of Overcomer Ministry in the Canadys community in Colleton County is under investigation after Ralph Stair apparently was seen on video touching a 12 year old girl's breast.

Some say the 84-year-old so-called preacher actually is a predator who preys on young girls and women. A video recently surfaced that apparently shows Stair cupping the breast of a 12-year old girl during a church service.

"I'm gonna touch those things till nobody else can touch 'em," Stair is heard saying in the video.

The video brought back some bad memories for three former members of Stair's church. They all decided to speak out after seeing the (video).

Stacey who asked us not to show her face moved with her family to Stair's farm in 1999. At the time she was 17 years old.

"I think it's that he's really charismatic, he's powerful sounding, at least back then with his words," Stacey said.

Donna Jackson and her family moved to Stair's farm in 1995. At the time Jackson was married and in her 30s.

"It wasn't that difficult for me to do because I was under the impression that this was a man of God and that what we were doing was the right thing," Jackson said.

Lita, who also asked that we not show her face moved to the Overcomer farm with her family in 1997. At the time she was 17.

"We all assumed that ok, he hears from God and whatever he says, do this is what you do," Lita said.

The brochure for Overcomer Ministry portrays the farm as a place where people seek to live together for God and each other. The brochure states residents will "go nowhere, no shopping or trips. Your life will be here on the farm until Jesus comes." Families also were forced to give all their possessions to Stair and his ministry.

"Just everything, we went with nothing," Lita said.

The women say their families learned to be self-sufficient, growing their own food. Soon, they saw some red flags.

"Started giving me hugs and he had never paid me much attention at all except he asked me a couple of times how old I was," Stacey said.

"He made a beeline for me pretty quickly once we moved there," Jackson said.

Lita says she was forced to live apart from her parents.

"That's when I started encountering sexual advances from Stair," Lita said.

Stacey says one day the elderly preacher did the unthinkable to her inside a trailer on the compound.

"He just sexually assaulted me right there. I still couldn't talk. I couldn't say anything. I just basically let it happen. I covered my hands over my face and let it happen because I didn't know what else to do," Stacey said.

Lita says she also was sexually assaulted by Stair for more than a year.

"I was like I don't want to do this. Can you please leave me alone? He's like don't you want to please God?" Lita said.

Jackson says she was attacked but not sexually assaulted.

"He grabbed me and I could feel him if you understand what I mean because he had pressed himself against me that firmly," Jackson said.

Jackson told her her husband about the (assault). The two other women were afraid to speak up.

"Even if you thought in your mind against him you were in danger of going to hell or being judged by God," Stacey said.

"Nobody's gonna believe anything you say. If you say something against him, you are going to hell. You're just like outcasts," Lita said. "I was told to just be quiet and let God handle it which is why this time I feel like I have to say something."

In 2002, Stacey went to the Colleton County Sheriff's Office. Stair was charged with sexually assaulting her. Stacey says prosecutors told her because Stair was old and it was the holiday season, it would be hard to get a conviction.

Stair pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of assault and battery.

Lita did not ask for charges to be filed.

The former members now say what they initially thought was a church is something else.

"It's a cult, it's absolutely 100 percent cult," Stacey said.

"Today I call it a cult. Then I would have said it was a church community," Jackson said.

"It's brainwashing at its finest," Lita said.

Now years later, the women say the recently posted video looks all too familiar.

"Now he's abusing children in front of an entire congregation and not only in front of an entire congregation. He's actually bold enough to videotape it and put it on his website," Stacey said.

"I was disgusted but I wasn't surprised because this is something he was doing forever," Jackson said.

"I was tore up," Lita said. "It's like everything that I've kept hidden for all these years. All of those emotions and feelings just came rushing back up. I was messed up."

Reporter Harve Jacobs went to the Overcomer compound to try to get a response from Reverend Stair. There are no trespassing signs outside the gate, so he called for a comment. Harve was told Stair was not available. He left his number but never heard back. The former church members who came forward all eventually left the ministry.

All say they still bear scars from their time at the farm.

"All he does is destroy families in the name of Jesus, that's what he does," Lita said.

"I want people in Walterboro and in Colleton County to realize that is going on right there around you and people that can stop it are not stopping it," Stacey said.

"I would just really admonish everyone, anyone who's ever thought about going there, don't do it, you will regret it," Jackson said.

So far no new charges have been filed against Stair.

The Colleton County Sheriff's Office with the assistance of the State Law Enforcement Division is investigating Stair after the latest video that surfaced.

(Story contains video)

Ralph Stair and Overcomer Ministry, WIS 9 Comments [10/27/2017 9:43:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 133961

[ on a 13 year old girl having sex with 22 adult men ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8110663.stm

The problem is that the girls see being with older men as a sign of maturity. The men shouldn't be taking advantage of that, it's terrible.


Hmmm....reading the article on this...it seems the other way round.

If sex is offered to blokes...most will take it as it is their nature. :rolleyes:

Most blokes will have sex with a child if offered? Really? Would you?

I believe the child in this case was misguided for certain, but it was the men who had sex with her who made the greater error and as the adults involved in the situation, should be held responsible.


If she looked and acted older than 13...then YES I would - as many blokes would do.

Sex is NOT the thing an actual 'child' would do though is it? (being blunt here) This is what my disagreement will always be - the fact that if they are ADULT enough to agree to ADULT activities...then mentally they are NOT a child just because of their age.

If a 13 year old craves sex so badly that she takes on 22 blokes older than her...then she is (physically and mentally) NOT a child is she because she knows EXACTLY what she is doing and she knows what SEX is!

You wouldn't get an 8 year old doing this because they are mentally and physically still a child and they wouldn't know what sex is all about. Everyone matures at DIFFERENT ages so I will always fail to understand WHY we live in such an ageist society. Girls mature at different ages....some at 12...some at 13...some at 14 and some at 18 and nothing will stop what comes naturally and if girls want sex at that age and their hormones are READY...then girls will have sex regardless of what the alleged outdated laws say. The laws (and VERY seriously) need to get a grip with nature and society and wake up to the reality that girls will do what comes naturally at what age they feel is ready, and in my personal views...their private life has nothing to do with 'outdated laws' of which are out of touch with reality or whatever age they are 'allegedly supposed to have sex' as it is their OWN decision and they are fully aware of consenting.

All this hype about...ahhh...she's ONLY 13 blah...blah...is utter crap as they know what they are doing or else they wouldn't go looking for it in the first place would they? :rolleyes:

For god sake...I wish people would wake up to 21st century reality instead of living in a fantasy world where all 13 year olds are safely tucked up in bed at 9.00pm with their teddy bears...

What is the point on the laws taking pity on something out of their control and making guys look like deliberate sex offenders when both have consented at their own peril?

I have a 13 year old daughter and some of the comments on here make me shudder. I tell you now, if I found out any 27 year old bloke had tried to have sex with her, he wouldn't be having sex with anyone else for the rest of his life.

Clearly the signs of an unhappy, unloved and disturbed young lady.

This guy knew exactly what he was doing, and didn't give a damn. I hope they lock him up for a long time. He obviously knew she was 13 by the quote above. I don't care how much she "came on" or encouraged the sex - he should have walked away. It's called self-control and having responsibility for your actions.


Well clearly reading the statement...'she' couldn't give a damn either so where does that leave responsibility? Why didn't SHE walk away if she was so concerned and being allegedly under age?

If they have BOTH given consent then no one is to physically blame for what comes naturally! I can see your concern...but you need to look at the bigger picture. A 17 year old or a 25 year old can just as easily take on 22 guys for sexual intentions and you could state that they are screwed up and unhappy. Most girls do this just for fun and to get sexual kicks of which many may disagree...but we are in the 21st century where girls are now more open/ grown up and will have sex at what age they feel suited to.

It takes TWO to tango regardless of age and girls are as much to blame...if not more! :rolleyes:

Are you serious? really? If a thirteen year old girl is "giving out" then my first thought would be that she is clearly in need of help. As an older person you have GOT to take responsibility in that situation, not take advantage of it. She obviously WASN'T concerned about it - which should only serve to heighten the sense that all is not well........


Look at the teenage pregnancies...doesn't that ring alarm bells of what young teenage girls are up to?

Isn't it up to THEM to take 50% of responsibility because they know EXACTLY what they are doing???

Girls will do what comes naturally whenever they feel ready...and NOT what the law states and guys will (again) do what comes naturally if it is offered and consented.

Just because girls at 13 have sex, it does not mean their state of mind is screwed up as they are only doing what comes naturally. They are NOT going to hold back just because the law says so. This is what I mean by living in an outdated society. The laws (and people alike - including parents) need to wake up to reality as the situation is not going to go away...but instead needs to be addressed accordingly...and above all 'realisticly'

Andy Carleton, Digital spy 28 Comments [11/8/2017 10:44:59 AM]
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Quote# 134320

Lady Checkmate's headling: "Persecution: Why is Air Force punishing colonel over his religious views on marriage?"

(Cut-and-pasted Fox News story follows, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/16/senators-why-is-air-force-punishing-colonel-over-his-religious-views-on-marriage.html)



They hate us, literally, but accuse us of hating them...oh, the projection is crystal clear:




Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 15 Comments [11/17/2017 10:36:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 134181

Fundies Say The Dardest Things is a M16 controlled website to discredit my exposing of the great conspiracy! 

M16 agents on Fundies Say The Dardest Things post my articles on The Reformation Online onto this site because the site’s title makes it seem like the people who’s posts end up here are crazy! 

Fundies Say The Dardest Things want me to seem crazy to prevent people from taking my words about Joshua of Nazareth, the Flat Earth, the Jesuits, and the British seriously. 

When Joshua of Nazareth claimed to be the messiah, the Pharisees tried to discredit him by calling him crazy. However he gained so many followers that they decided to crucify him. 

Joshua of Nazareth lived in the Roman Empire. The British Empire was established in 313 AD when Druid Jesus Constantine became Emperor. The British learned of the strategy of discrediting their opponents from the Romans. 

Jesus Constantine created the Latin Church. The Papacy has been controlled by the British Secret Service from it’s creation. 

The Pharisees originally mocked Joshua the Messiah but Joshua gained so many followers that they decided to crucify him. The British Empire will eventually send James Bond to assasinate me for exposing their conspiracy. 

But I will not cower in fear to the British. I will continue to expose the diabolical conspiracy and preach the truth about the messiah to save the souls of those who read my site from Hades.





Patrick Scrivener, CSTDT Comment 111 Comments [11/14/2017 5:42:18 AM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 134322

And even in some societies today, such as the primitive tribal societies, all the females in those societies start getting pregnant as soon as they start puberty. So when they are 10 11 or 12 they start getting pregnant and when they are 10 11 12 or 13 they become mothers. Most of them survive and most of them don't have any complications. Also even females that have fully developed bodies can experience complications in pregnancy and can die in pregnancy or can die giving birth. There are always dangers and risks with every pregnancy, regardless of how old the female is and regardless if the female is fully developed or not fully developed.

John M, YouTube  6 Comments [11/17/2017 10:37:16 PM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 134323

Females have been getting pregnant and have been giving birth at 12 for thousands of years, and most of the time they survived and didn't have complications. Also just because a females body is not fully developed, doesn't mean that she isn't ready to get pregnant.

John M, YouTube  14 Comments [11/17/2017 10:37:58 PM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 134324

A Canadian transgender job fair organised by a former Kenyan refugee has been criticised for inviting military recruiters.

Biko Beauttah said she asked the army to the event to honour her grandfather, who was a Kenyan major general.

But other transgender-rights activists say having the military there is an "affront" to their community.

Despite the criticism, Ms Beauttah said the fair will go ahead in Toronto on Trans Remembrance Day on Monday.

Ms Beauttah moved to Canada in 2006 from Kenya, where she said transgender people face discrimination and violence.

She said she spent her first three days in Canada in immigration detention, followed by six months in a refugee shelter.

But finding work in Canada has proved difficult because of transphobia, she says.

Currently, she is an activist and board member at Pride Toronto.

"I decided to throw myself a job fair and my community will benefit well," she told the BBC.

"All you need is an idea and you can literally change the world."

The fair will feature 15 employers, including bookstore chain Indigo and Toronto-Dominion Bank.

The Canadian Armed Forces is sending two personnel to find possible transgender recruits.

The presence of the military has irked some members of the transgender community.

Transroots Toronto, a group for transgender people of colour, says the job fair is a "racist act".

"Given the ongoing history of military and police violence against trans people, and of police indifference to anti-trans violence generally, having military or police present at an event specifically for TPOC (Trans People of Color) is an inherently violent act," Transroots Toronto wrote on Facebook.

The group also criticised Ms Beauttah for hosting the event on Trans Remembrance Day, which it said was a "day of mourning".

It is organising a protest outside the job fair.

But Ms Beauttah remains undeterred.

"All those systemic things they complain about, they affect me too," she said.

Toronto is no stranger to debates over police and military involvement at LGBT events.

Earlier this year, Pride Toronto voted in favour of banning uniformed police officers from the annual parade after Black Lives Matter activists said the police presence made LGBT people of colour feel unsafe.

Transroots Toronto, Pride Toronto, BBC News 15 Comments [11/17/2017 10:38:10 PM]
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Quote# 134331

Given that the grandfather was an Irish Catholic, he certainly had no loyalty to the UK, and his ilk was often wont to abandon their families to the British Welfate State, for which they left the 26 counties to begin with, albeit usually '''after WWII''', not during.

216.194.4.216, Wikipedia 6 Comments [11/18/2017 3:26:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134314

Having Moore on the ballot is not enough.

Before these false accusations started, there was no question that Moore was going to win the seat.

If he loses then Allred and her kind win. It would be a huge blow to #MAGA. It is just that simple.

sipow, Free Republic 15 Comments [11/17/2017 4:09:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 42090

(in reply to question : How could a mother enjoy Heaven, knowing that her atheist son will be tortured forever in the fires of Hell? )

"all those in Heaven will be eternally happy and sadness etc will not be felt, and along with this they will no longer be related as they were on earth, as all will be of one family of God and as such will fully realize that those who freely chose to reject God`s love, deserve to be where they are, and will not have any attachment to them whatsoever."

Sentinel, Yahoo answers 55 Comments [7/1/2008 6:59:10 AM]
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Quote# 1620

Sweet sentiments from a fishperson [evolution?] believer. Where are those transitional fishpeople again?

Badfish, Christian Forums 15 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 134328

(Video is from EmmanuelTV, a Deliverance Ministry in Nigeria)

You inist that demonic psosession is fake, yet this man bit off the head of a chicken. Tell me RIGHT NOW how any sane person would do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-vKrYyqOY

timestamp 14:16

Unsigned, RationalWiki 11 Comments [11/18/2017 3:25:27 AM]
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Quote# 45359

[Submitted for the Shiny Mirror award.]

An earlier statement, from the same thread:
"I don't worship a book, I worship God!.. oh, and Satan did all the killing in the bible, not God. all God does is remove the protection, and then Satan moves in for the kill."

[If someone comes to assault, rape and murder you, and your mother says "well, I'll just get out of the way, then", even though she has the power (we'll say she's armed) and the legal right to defend you, is she still a good person? I'm saying this assuming you consider your mother a good person in the first place.]

"if my mother allowed that, then she is nothing but a cold-blooded murderer, and should be put to death."

XenoNinja, FSTDT 22 Comments [8/20/2008 9:46:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Typhon

Quote# 131391

Lady Checkmate's headline: "God Is Not Pleased With Lukewarm "Christians"



Revelation 3:13-16 (KJV)
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Seek to please God, not the world.

Galatians 1:10 (KJV)
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-lukewarm-faith.html

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 9 Comments [9/9/2017 3:06:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 134292

A sex addict has a behavioral problem. A pedophile has an abnormal sexual orientation. To say that all pedophiles are dangerous to children is like saying all straight men are dangerous to women. Should male doctors never be in the same room with attractive female patients? Why not? You would be constantly exposing them to temptation, after all. What's the difference?

Just like an alcoholic should not work in a bar or a gambler in a casino, a pedophile should not work or be around children.
Especially since the consequences of a pedophile slipping up are much more dire


Alcoholics and gamblers have a behavioral pathology- they are unable to control their behavior. Pedophiles are people who are sexually and emotionally attracted to children- it is a sexual orientation, and is not comorbid with a lack of impulse control.


"In fact, this blog strongly advises against sexual relationships with children, and will explain why in a future post|".
If you need to explain this, you have a problem.



Can you explain why children should be prevented from engaging in pleasurable, safe, and consensual sexual activity with adults? Why do you want to prevent children from experiencing sexual pleasure? Do you hate children? Why else would you want to impose upon them an artificial asexuality, in spite of the fact that children enjoy and desire sexual activity?

svarog123, /r/TumblrInAction 8 Comments [11/17/2017 3:52:34 AM]
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Quote# 134303

Adolf Hitler actually created the first anti-animal cruelty laws in history, was a vegetarian, and had plans to close all slaughterhouses in Germany through legislation he created. The holocaust lie was created and is perpetuated by the very same animal abusers he was peacefully exiling from his country before they declared war on him. The amount of propaganda and disinformation that has been spread about "gas chambers" and "mass graves" etc. is all dispelled in my documentary "Adolf Hitler vs. The Jew World Order," if it hasn't been censored in your country (it is now banned in 30 countries). You can also learn the truth by watching "The Greatest Story Never Told." Thanks to everyone who takes the time to look into this most important subject. Peace?

Eric Dubay, Youtube 15 Comments [11/17/2017 11:24:18 AM]
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Religious Right radio host and American Family Association official Sandy Rios continued her increasingly desperate defenses of Republican Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore by begging Alabama voters to not let the “ick factor” of the allegations against Moore prevent them from voting for him.

Rios pleaded with listeners this morning to support Moore despite allegations that he made sexual advances on teenage girls—one as young as 14 years old—while he was in his 30s. Further reporting has revealed additional accusations against Moore and that he was banned from a shopping mall for trying to solicit teenage girls.

“Ladies and gentlemen, please—I’m begging you, really—especially those of you in Alabama, not to stay home. Do not let the ‘ick’ factor set in because that’s what the establishment in Washington wants,” Rios said. “They want to cast enough taint on Judge Moore—and it will be somebody else next. Trust me.”

Rios went on to claim that if the establishment GOP is successful in supposedly orchestrating the downfall of Moore, a popular theory among many right-wing pundits, it will undermine the Religious Right as a whole.

“If they can destroy him, honestly, I don’t think that Christian conservatives will have a chance. We will be so marginalized, and ‘marginalized’ probably doesn’t even capture it. You can already see how hated we are,” Rios said.

Moore, Rios said, is hated because “he has stood so strongly for the Ten Commandments” and “marriage between a man and a woman.” Rios claimed that Matt Drudge, owner of the popular news aggregate “The Drudge Report,” lashed out at Moore because of Moore’s stance on marriage.

“The reason Drudge is so dreadful toward Moore is because Matt Drudge is a homosexual,” Rios said.

Sandy Rios, Right Wing Watch 10 Comments [11/17/2017 3:13:24 AM]
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On his television show on Friday, prepper pastor Jim Bakker said that people would realize that the End Times are upon us if they would simply study the Bible because if they do, they’ll be able to recognize that the signs mentioned in the book of Revelation are already happening.

For instance, Bakker said, people who have studied the Bible will realize that Apache helicopters were mentioned in Revelation 9:

The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.
“Everything in the Bible is not a fairy tale,” Bakker said. “It’s all things that you can learn [if you study] … Do you know the Apache helicopter, I think, is in the Bible. John the Revelator saw it, he heard it, he saw it, it’s there. It said it had a face of a man; look in the helicopter, there’s the face of a man. It had a blue breastplate; it’s there. It’s so easy to understand the revelation if you read it.”

jim bakker, Right Wing Watch 14 Comments [11/17/2017 3:11:46 AM]
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I have been thinking a bit about this, and since we have some numerical data maybe we can put numbers in the issue of “pedophiles genocide”. Maybe seeing the numbers could help to have clearer visions of the implications of some people’s desires and intentions.

So, there are a large part of antis who think that all pedophiles, no matter what, should die. I want to believe that most of them don’t think that for real, that they talk without thinking first and that they aren’t actual genocidals waiting for a chance. But I would like to show the implications of following this sentiment.
The numbers: 


The global population is around 7000,000,000. The number of pedophiles is estimated to be around a 5% (and maybe it could be bigger, since the female population hasn’t been deeply studied and we are talking only about pedophiles, not ALL MAPs. But well, we’ll go with that number. An estimation).

What does this mean? That around 350,000,000 people are pedophiles. 350 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE PEDOPHILES.

Think slowly about it. USA population is 323 millions. The whole Europe population is 743 millions. Murdering all pedophiles would mean that you want to kill more than what the USA’s population is. Half of the european population. Can you see it now? Do you have the number and its implications in your head?

But well, we’ll keep going over this. I’m strongly against death penalty. I don’t think we have any right to decide who lives and who dies and I don’t believe in a punitive justice system. That is not justice, that is just revenge. I believe in rehabilitation and reinsertion when it is possible, in turning criminals in good, productive members of society and approach the penitenciary system not as a punishment but as therapeutic, educational system. But I’m going to let this for a moment. We are going to say that we accept death penalty for some criminals and that child abusers get that. By this genocide you aren’t just killing offenders, but millions of innocent people. Gonna imagine that a 25% of pedophiles are offenders in some way (and I’m being generous with the number. Too high). If that is true, you are still mudering 262,500,000 of innocent people. Even if half of the pedophiles where child abusers, that would be 175 millions of innocents murdered. The studies with higher numbers about the nazi holocaust talk about 15-20 millions of victims. When you say you want all pedophiles dead that means that you want a genocide 20 times worse than the nazi one. Even if you are full of hate and approve capital punishment, you should be able to see that the genocide of 350 millions of people, innocent or not, just for a specific and unchosen trait of them is too radical and useless. But I’ll go over this now.
“It is for a greater good”


Ok, just for a second, we are going to pretend that the murdering of innocent people (or just, murdering in general) is justificable in some way, we are going to imagine that there is such a thing as a greater good that is above the most basic human right of millions of people and that makes their murder ok. What would you achive with this? Well, acknowledging that only around 33% of CSA is commited by pedophiles that means that this genocide wouldn’t stop even half of the abuse children suffer. 66% of it would still happen. So we would have millions of innocents dead and children still being abused without no one taking serious actions to stop it, because they have focus all the effort in the murdering of pedophiles.

But that is not all. Pedophiles would keep borning, of course. Because pedophilia is not a choice, an ideology or something you can control. People would still born with this trait and would develop it, so you’d have to keep murdering a 5% of human population every generation. This would include a lot of CSA survivors, of course, that turn out to be pedophiles when they grow up. But since you are killing pedophiles CSA is impossible so there isn’t survivors, right? This approach will just lead to a total invisibilization of CSA, because to justify the genocidal attitude you need to support the idea that only pedophiles commit CSA, so the voices of most victims wouldn’t be hear. 

And of course, if your intention is murdering pedophiles as a “prevention” strategy, it would be the best that you kill them as young as possible, before they can commit any offense. Since most people became aware of their attractions as teens, you would be killing mostly minors. Probably the millions you are killing are all under 16. But that is ok, because it is for a greater good… Or maybe not.

Because by killing all pedophiles you would still have most of CSA happening and you would have to keep an eternal genocide for the rest of the history without any perks coming from it. Because you would see friends, family, neighbours… dying constantly for a trait they didn’t choose and you would have to accept it because that is supposed to make some kind of good for society. This is not effective. This doesn’t save children. This is heinous. There are way better things we can do about this topic.
So, what can we do, then?


We, as a society, have a principal role here. We can prevent CSA before it happens and the way to achive this is not murdering, it’s not genocide, it’s not hate. It is knowledge and understanding. We need to be aware of the risk factors for CSA and treat them as soon as we notify someone has them. Treatment is not murdering, but therapy. And this is not a thing just for pedophiles. This is something for anyone with these risk factors (lack of empathy, self-control…). On the side of pedophiles, literature is clear about it: isolation only hurts and create risk factors. The way to prevent pedophiles from offending is offering them a supportative, open society. If instead of making them feeling like mosters doomed to abuse we teach young pedophiles that they are ok, that they are in control of their actions and that people are going to still love and care about them we are protecting these teens from developing the distortions that can lead to abuse. An open society would mean that pedophiles who need it could go to therapy without fear, learning to accept themselves, to empathize with children, fighting cognitive distortions and developing self-control skills that would prevent them from commiting any kind of offense. This therapy is the way to prevent CSA. And to provide it we need that society stops to hate and demonize pedophiles so they can take this step. But therapy alone is not enough. Human beings need acceptation, need people who show love for them, need to be part of a group and community. That is why you shouldn’t isolate pedophiles. Because it hurts their mental health, because maybe the only ones who show acceptation would be pro-contact communities, because maybe their loneliness pushes them to do something terrible that we all could have prevent if we had had enough understanding and vision for it.
Conclusion


When you say you want all pedophiles to die you mean that you want 350 millions of people dead. These aren’t light words. This is a terrible statement and maybe you should think about it carefully before support it. You should keep in mind that pedophiles are human beings, with family and friends, most of them innocent, and that all this death would bring a lot of pain to the world without actually helping anyone. The dead of pedophiles wouldn’t stop CSA. Most children would still be abused. The way to prevent this is a good konwledge of the causes and risk factors of CSA and early intervention on these. Genocide, demonization or isolation is not the right intervention, it is an useless preventive strategy with a lot of negative impact. If we want to actually help children we should start by understanding what pedophilia is, who are the pedophiles and heping them to remainn non-offending and anti-contact. We should all work together with MAPs, who can be actually the first step in CSA prevention and the ones turning pro-contacts and potential abusers in riskless people, so we can help children. We should guide ourselves by science, by research, by what we learn and not by what we feel or just blindly believe.
Some last reflections for antis


Please, next time you type something like “I hope all pedos die” “I wish you all were dead” “Please, die” “kill yourself” “best you can do is killing yourself” or any form of suicide baiting and death wishing try to think in the effect of your words. Try to think that in the other side of the screen there is a human being, a person with their life, their problems, their suffering. Someone who didn’t choose to be like that and who has to learn to live with a part of themselves that they probably hate way more than you do. The person you are talking to is not your abuser, is not any child abuser. It is another scared person who is seeking a bit of help and empathy from another human beings. It could be anyone. Your best friend, your nice classmate, your parent, your children. Anyone. 

Because when you express this desire you are telling 350,000,000 of human beings that they would be better off dead. And these are strong words, directed towards people with a high suicide risk. With this, you aren’t protecting children, you are hurting them. With this, you are just spreading your rage to feel a bit better about yourself in the most twisted and egoistic way, but you cause harm. Even to yourself, no matter if you can’t see this now. Drowing in hate, rage and such a toxic ideology won’t bring you peace or happiness. You will only feel worse and worse, more full of wrath, until the day you can’t hold it anymore.

Try to be careful. Think in your words, in their true meaning, in society, in what we can do to make this world better. Stop for a moment, breath deeply, ignore the hate, the rage, your pain, and then try to open your eyes and start to learn. You don’t have to agree in everything. You dont’ have to be a MAP supporter. But just stopping to spread a message of hate and genocide and starting researches and discusssions would do a lot of good. For society, yes, but specially for yourself. Because you are the one who is getting more hurt with this. I hope you can think slowly and see this someday. And for that day I’m here. And for the day before too. I want to know you, I want to help you, I want to show you kindness and empathy. I know you are a good person, that you mean well and that someday you could see what was wrong in your actions. Until then, I’ll be here anyway. I’m open to talk, to discuss, to share my sources and research and to give you support when you need it. But please, stop to support genocide. Don’t let yourself to think that the murdering of 350,000,000 can be in any circunstances for a greater good. Never. Genocide is always wrong. 

And if you are an anti who is against cross-tagging, against suicide baiting and death wishes and who believe in therapy even if you don’t like the MAP community, please, try to be vocal about this. Help to make your community less toxic and hateful, help another people to be less dogmatic and more open to talk and discuss in respectful ways, try to make them see why wishing people dead or telling them to commit suicide is wrong. You have a lot of power in your hands and you can stop a lot of harm just by making your community a bit more open, tolerant and safe, by making it less harmful for its members and less anti-science, anti-recovery and anti-therapy. If you believe that something is wrong don’t be afraid and speak up against it. I have talked with antis who only were antis and who wrote hateful stuff because they were scared to be called out and hated for not being like the other antis. That is not good. No one should feel forced to do something they don’t agree with and that makes them distressed just for the fear that their own community causes them. Be helpful, be there for the ones who show more humanity and empathy. Suport therapy and understanding, not genocide, rage and hate. Give everyone a hand.

So, summarizing, if you support the idea of wanting all pedophiles dead, try to think slowly, be aware of the implications, keep the numbers and facts in your mind. Genocide is not an option. If you want to fight monsters, try to don’t become yourself in one.

aleskakolja, tumblr 5 Comments [11/17/2017 3:48:14 AM]
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