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Quote# 131865

Hi, longtime reader of CI, new to posting.

Traditional Catholic to my core, love Holy Mother Church and accept all of Her Teachings without reserve, and by God's grace working to resist and fight any and all modern errors and heresies.

So seeing all this flat earth talk I wanted to share my thoughts on the subject.

In regards to how the Firmament is placed above us, and after that the universe with endless galaxies beyond it, I have asked myself, where is Heaven located PHYSICALLY?

Is it in some other dimension entirely?

Perhaps it's only a 'spiritual place' and not physical at all?

I am no theologian but being Catholic and hoping to go there someday, I'd like to have a visual to ponder during meditation.

So what does modern science say today..

The Big Bang Professors over at NASA say that 'Beyond our own galaxy lies a vast expanse of galaxies. The deeper we see into space, the more galaxies we discover. There are billions of galaxies, the most distant of which are so far away that the light arriving from them on Earth today set out from the galaxies billions of years ago. So we see them not as they are today, but as they looked long before there was any life on Earth. '

Sorry but as a Catholic, I don't buy it.

After reading Scripture, and taking it LITERALLY, I know that Heaven is PHYSICALLY located above my head, beyond the sky and on the other side of The Firmament. I know for a fact that modern day atheist scientists over at NASA, and others, are purposefully LYING to us about 'endless space' and 'the ever expanding universe' and all with the goal of separating Man in relation with his Creator.

Because with endless light years between Man and God, there the 'Perfect Deception' can begin to form in men's minds. Sinners at ease knowing that 'the space between' gives them plenty of time for their pleasure and fun, and it just keeps getting BIGGER.

Several years ago I laughed at a science channel program when I heard the narrator say that there are 'universes beyond the universe' (lol) even then I knew what modern science was trying to do..attempting to push my God and His existance further away from me.

Being a great sinner with much to answer for, it was not so terrifying to think of God's Eyes seeing me from a million light years away on the other side of the zillionth galaxy. Though for me now it is a much different reality when I step out on my deck outside and look straight up and imagine Him looking right back at me from the other side of the sky.

No more 'space between'. And even on a better note, and following on the same line of thought, it is so much more Beautiful when contemplating The Sacred Heart of Jesus, Mary and The Angels, and my Sainted Friends in Heaven.

Heaven is a PLACE, and I hope to go there.

Carissima, Cathinfo 22 Comments [9/20/2017 2:03:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131856

Are there any plausible hypotheses about the evolutionary psychology of pedophilia?

We know that, up to a point, youthfulness is often an attribute non-pedophiles look for in a mate. For a long-term relationship, assuming the partners do not live in an industrialized society in which having a high school education is an advantage for a mate, it makes sense to mate with someone as close to pubescence as possible, since they have more years of fertility ahead of them. This would explain the fetish behind magazines such as Barely Legal and websites that advertise models who have just turned 18 and look younger than 18.

So maybe pedophilic attractions developed because it was more adaptive to err on the side of too young rather than too old. In pubescence, fertile young women still have many characteristics of children, and therefore it might be maladaptive for a man to be strongly repelled by childlike traits.

Maybe there were situations, in caveman eras, in which someone started a sexual relationship with a prepubescent, and that relationship continued into pubescence and produced offspring. Maybe those who did this had an advantage over rivals, by being the first to form an emotional bond with the child, and to claim the child as their long-term partner. Maybe this emotional bond was promoted by their providing the child with food and other resources; thus it also served to protect the child's well-being.

Who knows what complicated social purposes pedophilia might have served? Maybe, in a variant of the super-uncles theory, pedophiles served as caregivers for young family members, since they would tend to volunteer for roles that would put them in close contact with those kids. A counter-argument would be that their engaging in child sexual abuse would cause enough harm to those children to outweigh the value of the care they provided.

Maybe in caveman days, though, the resources they provided would have meant the difference between life and death for the child, so that back then, the pedophilia was adaptive.

Landmartian, RationalWiki 12 Comments [9/20/2017 2:00:51 PM]
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Quote# 131811

It is hard for me to explain. I work in a more spiritual way and am moving towards shamanic principles.

Take the ley lines. These cannot be seen and few people now can feel them, yet the heathen sacred sites are built along these lines and important sites are where lines intersect. The Greeks actually had a grid showing energy lines round the world. A New Zealander found that UFO sightings were along energy grid lines. In the last few years it has been found that energy levels along these lines increase at dawn.

This cannot be explained easily as the ancients did not have scientific instruments. They were part of the land and the energy fields/lines were part of the land, the Gods were part of the people and the land and not separate entities as modern religions try to portray them as - such as Christianity and the Judeo/Arabic God. These are out of balance and the only way of maintaining the religion is through dogma and punishment if the "word" is not followed. They are not internal religions.

About 10 years ago I went into a series of meditaions. In one, I was led by my guide and was a bird. It was amazing. I could feel the air currents and see lines and paths that humans cannot see, heat changes and so on. Since this time I can feel cars coming towards me on bendy roads. I am correct about 80% of the time. 2 days ago, on the news, scientists have discovered that the birds can "see" the magnetic grids in the air for migration. Auras have been seen by many people for thousands of years, now in the last few months science has said there is something that continues after death.

The heathens accept these signs as of the Gods being part of us, yet they have been rejected and called witchcraft by the Church. By separating the people from the land, the Church takes control. I cannot see why a person cannot be open to all ways and not judge one against the other

I am sorry if it does not make sense.

Frithhilde, Anglo-Saxon Foundation  15 Comments [9/19/2017 10:04:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 114004

[Only posting the conclusion, but the entire "proof" is pretty funny]]

Truth, knowledge, and logic are all necessary to prove anything, and you assumed and admitted to all of them by reaching this proof.
While you may try to account for truth, knowledge and logic without God, the rest of the site will expose your inability to do so and the Christians justification for them with God.

While this proof is a valid “transcendental” proof (i.e. one that deals in necessary preconditions), no one needs this proof. The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God’s existence and those who suppress the truth of God’s existence. The options of ‘seeking’ God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that those who deny Him are “without excuse” for suppressing what He has already revealed to them. Romans 1: 18-21 says:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

God does not send people to Hell for denying what they do not know, but for sin against the God that they do know.

Sye Ten Bruggencate, Proof That God Exists 24 Comments [10/30/2015 2:52:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131603

Feminism, transsexualism, all lies, their entire purpose is to weaken us & lower the birth rate and destroy western civilisation


Literally all of the poison pumped into western civilisation is meant to destroy us and open the gates to the third world

nontolerantman, Twitter 12 Comments [9/13/2017 11:43:10 AM]
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Anonymous, Facebook 24 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 124774

Many people today think that fornication (i.e., sex outside of marriage) is acceptable just so long as no marital commitment is involved. That is demonic thinking. The only acceptable sex is within a marriage. That is what Hebrews 13:5 teaches. Fornication is just as wicked as the sin of adultery. Fornication is sex between unmarried people. There are preachers serving life-sentences in prison for having sex with one underaged girl, while Godless Hollywood celebrities brag of fornicating with several thousands of whores! In eternity, God will judge all mankind for every sin (Ecclesiastes 12:14), even for thoughts (Proverbs 24:12) and words (Matthew 12:36). Everyone is guilty of horrible sins (Romans 2:1). Don't judge others because they sin differently than you do!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 26 Comments [2/22/2017 11:57:01 AM]
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Quote# 131691

Everybody is all about freedom of speech and expression until a black person (hey, Colin Kaepernick; hey, Jemele Hill) decides to exercise his or her right to do so. And in this particular case, a black sixth-grader out of Michigan says he was assaulted by his homeroom teacher all because he was exercising his rights and declined to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Stone Chaney, who attends East Middle School in Farmington Hills, Mich., told ClickOnDetroit that his teacher “violently” dragged him out of his chair and attempted to force him to stand for the pledge, leaving the young man confused and unwilling to return to that school.
consultant comes up behind me and snatches me out of my chair violently,” Stone told the news site. “I was so confused. I didn’t know what was going on.”

Note that Stone referred to the individual in question as the “teacher consultant.” That means that the person who allegedly thought it was all right to snatch a child out of his seat trains other teachers. One would wonder what kind of training those other teachers are receiving.

Except I can tell you exactly what, because Stone claims that the very next day after the initial incident, another teacher yelled at him for remaining seated during the pledge.

Stone is very adamant about not standing, saying that he does not pledge to a flag.

“I don’t stand because I don’t pledge to a flag,” the precocious child explained. “I pledge to God and family.”

Stone’s parents are still looking for answers as to how the incident, which occurred Sept. 7., could have unfolded the way it did. His father addressed the district directly at its last board meeting, defending his son’s right to do what he wishes when the pledge is being spoken.

“It’s his choice to sit,” Brian Chaney said. “I don’t make him sit. And they should respect that.”

The superintendent of Farmington Public Schools released a statement detailing that the district does support the right of students to opt out of the pledge, announcing that it was conducting an investigation and that the teacher involved has been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome.

In the meantime, Stone and his family are looking into other options and will probably end up leaving the district, the news station notes.

East Middle School teachers, The Root 8 Comments [9/16/2017 5:33:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131695

On his radio program yesterday, Religious Right activist E.W. Jackson interviewed WorldNetDaily’s David Kupelian, where the two agreed that homosexuality is obviously unnatural based on the fact that small children are grossed out by the sight of two men or two women kissing.

“We now have 4-year-old kids in preschool where we have lesbian and transgender teachers,” Kupelian said. “They go in and they show two women kissing, two men kissing; there is a natural ick factor where children who have not been corrupted say, ‘Ick, that’s gross.’ I’m sorry, it is gross and the grossness is something that God has put in their mind. People may not like to hear this but it actually is gross and it’s a natural reaction of little innocent kids.”

Jackson agreed, saying,”Let’s face it, you put before a group of 4, 5, 6, 7-year-olds two men kissing and of course they’re going to say, ‘Eww, eww, that’s gross.’ They probably haven’t grown up seeing that, it is unusual to them but the whole point of the left and the LGBT movement is to desensitize people to it, to make it so common that people don’t even react to it.”

“The visceral reaction to it is that something is not right,” Jackson said, “and you see that in the innocence of children … In their heart of heart, they know something is not right about it. And, of course, the Bible teaches us that God has given us a conscience.”

David Kupelian and E.W. Jackson, Right Wing Watch 12 Comments [9/16/2017 5:34:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Ken Ham, Facebook 14 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131692

Right-wing commentator Josh Bernstein posted a video recently in which he suggested that God is opposed to the removal of Confederate monuments and is divinely intervening to prevent them from being taken down.

Discussing a decision by “communist” Dallas officials to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee from a city park, Bernstein said that the first crane brought in to do the job was too small, forcing the city to bring in a larger crane. After praising several companies for refusing to help the city with this effort, Bernstein noted that a larger crane was eventually found, but that it got into a fatal accident on its way to the job site.

“I don’t do a religious show,” Bernstein said, “but isn’t this a little odd that two attempts have been made to take down this statue and, for whatever reasons, they have not been successful—the second of which being a fatal accident. Is this divine intervention, folks? Is this maybe a sign from up above, saying you shouldn’t remove this statue?”

For the record, the statue was successfully removed last night.

Josh Bernstein, Right Wing Watch 11 Comments [9/16/2017 5:34:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131843

Jeff Mateer, who has been nominated by President Donald Trump for a federal judgeship, advocated debunked “conversion therapy” for LGBT people and called transgender children part of “Satan’s plan.”

A CNN investigation found that Mateer came under fire from LGBT groups while working as general counsel for a conservative organization known as the Liberty Institute.

According to CNN, the attorney discussed transgender children in a 2015 speech titled “The Church and Homosexuality.”

“In Colorado, a public school has been sued because a first grader and I forget the sex, she’s a girl who thinks she’s a boy or a boy who thinks she’s a girl, it’s probably that, a boy who thinks she’s a girl,” Mateer was quoted as saying. “And the school said, ‘Well, she’s not using the girl’s restroom.’ And so she has now sued to have a right to go in. Now, I submit to you, a parent of three children who are now young adults, a first grader really knows what their sexual identity? I mean it just really shows you how Satan’s plan is working and the destruction that’s going on.”

Mateer went on to call same-sex marriage “disgusting.”

“I’ve learned words I didn’t know. I mean, other than…my assistants here, have you ever heard the word ‘throuple’?” he opined. “‘Throuple’ so that’s three people coming together of different sexes, maybe mixed sexes. Them coming together. There are people who marry themselves. Somebody wanted to marry a tree. People marrying their pets. It’s just like — you know, you read the New Testament and you read about all the things and you think, ‘Oh, that’s not going on in our community.’ Oh yes it is. We’re back to that time where debauchery rules.”

That same year, Mateer complained about states banning so-called conversion therapy for LGBT people.

“[T]hat’s been outlawed in at least two states and then in some local areas. So they’re invading that area,” he lamented.

Jeff Mateer, Raw Story 9 Comments [9/20/2017 10:51:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Answers in Genesis, Answers in Genesis 16 Comments [9/16/2017 5:36:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131785

While we are insistently encouraged to focus on ‘white supremacists’ and ‘neo-Nazis,’ the actual and present danger to freedom emanates from Sharia-supremacists.

Frank Gaffney, PodBean 14 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131786

It is an unpleasant truth that homosexuals don’t exist, only heterosexuals that reject common sense, refuse biblical truth, and repeat the horrific sins of Sodom resulting in His judgment.

Don Boys, BarbWire 21 Comments [9/18/2017 10:00:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131876

The most probable scenario of a civil war or similar situations in the near future is the lack of transfer payments for "refugees", thus a collapse of their care due to the debts of the state. The ones affected by this failure will with a high probability plunder and steal to secure their existence. In contrast to the indigenous population the inhibitions to do such an act would be very low by the refugees out of crisis regions.

Accepting this means that if the insurgents get access to fire weapons in a very short time the common ways of self-defence will do little as the insurgents will have them at their disposal too. The only measure which does sense is a full coverage of armed populations like in the USA, Swiss and nowadays even the Czech Republic. It can be expected that the decision of the Czech Republic to change the constitution and to arm the population was done with that in mind. In our government it's obvious that such a thing can't be done. This is why the largest part of the populations will be hopelessly delivered, because at its extreme the Police and Bundeswehr won't have the forces at their disposal, which would be required, to maintain control over the country. No good outlook.

EUGEN PRINZ, PI News 9 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:40 AM]
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Dr. Zakir Naik, Facebook 25 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131780

I could go into orbital patterns with you BeRational but I'm not sure you would grasp my point there anymore than you grasp my point here. All the planets are currently showing gravitational distress, according to  many researchers...none more so than planet Earth. 

Now, to fit into my understanding there are 3 aspects to orbital motion. 

i....pulled to the sun by gravity.
2...then slipping into weightlessness.
3...then expelled away from the sun by centrifugal force. 
4...then leaving the sun, creating an elliptical orbit before slipping into weightlessness again so that gravity can take control yet again...pulling the planet back.

So, you see the problem isn't so easy to resolve as you seem to think...but there is no guessing when Wormwood will be at its most dangerous, so I reckon that's just as long as we have to repent effectively.

Nicholas Marks, Religion and Ethics 8 Comments [9/20/2017 10:45:54 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 131873

A Christian man has been sentenced to death in Pakistan for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his lawyer has said.

Nadeem James, 35, was said to have committed blasphemy in a poem he sent to a Muslim friend on the WhatsApp messaging service.

He was arrested in July last year after going on the run following the accusation of blasphemy, which human rights groups say is sometimes used in the country to settle personal scores and target minorities.

Defence lawyer Anjum Wakeel told the AFP news agency that in this case there had been a dispute between his client and the friend over a woman.

“My client will appeal the sentence in the high court as he has been framed by his friend, who was annoyed over Mr James’ affair with a Muslim girl.”

The verdict was passed by a court in the town of Gujrat in eastern Pakistan.

Pakistani courts, The Independent 8 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131833

Call her Gwyneth the Vampire Repeller.

Just in time for Halloween, when all sorts of nasty spirits are out, Gwyneth Paltrow unveils “Psychic Vampire Repellent” on her lifestyle website, Goop, so users can remove negative energies from their life.

The pseudo-holistic product is a “protection mist” that promises to “banish bad vibes” and “shield you from the people who may be causing them.”

Ingredients include “sonically tuned water” (whatever that is), rosewater, sea salt, rosemary, juniper, lavender, ruby, bloodstone, moonlight, and love. Seriously.

The product features a disclaimer that it has not been evaluated by the FDA and should not replace the advice of a medical professional. Obviously, as a medical professional would definitely recommend garlic and sunlight as ingredients. That’s just good vampire hunting.

A related product is a “Chill Child - Kid Calming Mist,” which you can “spray into the air around your wild child’s aura to restore peace to the environment.”

So when Timmy is having a tantrum, just spray him with Chill Child and all will be well. Or you may have to grab the Vampire Repellent.

Both products run for $30 for a 3.4 oz bottle and were developed by Paper Crane Apothecary.
Paltrow also opened her first permanent brick-and-mortar Goop location in Los Angeles at Brentwood Country Mart over the weekend. Called “Goop Lab,” the store sells the infamously Bohemian and bizarre products Paltrow sells on her site like Moonlight Catalyst, an anti-aging serum with fermented pumpkin enzymes and ashwagandha dietary supplement, which promotes immue health and “sexual vitality.”

Gwyneth Paltrow, MSN 13 Comments [9/20/2017 10:47:19 AM]
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Quote# 110943

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The doctrine of reprobation is one of the most despised doctrines of the Christian faith. It is despised by the irreligious and unconcerned, and it is despised by most who come in the name of Christianity. In spite the common notion that there is a dichotomy between "Arminians" and "Calvinists," people in both of these camps hate the true doctrine of reprobation. Some will dismiss it out of hand, while others will try to explain it away or water it down. This article, which is based on sermons this author has preached from Romans 9:11-22, will present the biblical doctrine of reprobation that exalts God and abases man.


Why did God emphasize that He loved Jacob before Jacob had done anything good and hated Esau before Esau had done anything bad? Because He was showing that election and reprobation are both unconditional. They are not based on anything that Jacob or Esau did or did not do. Some false religionists say that God looked down through time and saw who would believe and then chose to save them, which is an utterly ridiculous and blasphemous notion. That makes salvation conditioned on what God foresaw man would do, and it would make God's choosing merely an empty gesture, since it was man who chose his own destiny, and God just affirmed it. But the truth in this passage is undeniable. God's choosing - God's election to life and reprobation to death - is completely, absolutely, totally without precondition. God did not decide to save Jacob once He found out that Jacob would be a good person or would believe. God did not decide to damn Esau once He found out that Esau would be a bad person or would not believe. God's decision was based purely on His own sovereign will and had nothing to do with the will of the sinner.

It is a given that Arminians hate the doctrine of unconditional reprobation. But it might surprise the reader that most Calvinists hate this doctrine as well. They will claim to love unconditional election, yet when it comes to reprobation, they turn into conditionalists. They say that God reprobates a person based on something in the person. They say that God reprobated Esau based on something in Esau. And who better to represent and articulate this heretical notion than the most popular Calvinist himself, Charles H. Spurgeon?


The reader might think that anyone who professes belief in the absolute sovereignty of God would easily embrace the truth that God actively hardens people and actively causes sin. After all, a God who does not control all actions and events, including the sins of men and angels, is not God. But most who say they believe in the absolute sovereignty of God do not believe this. They will say that God is in control of everything, but not that He controls everything, and they concoct all kinds of theories in order to justify their view of their god who does not cause everything while remaining sovereign. They use high-sounding catch-phrases such as: "God withholds His restraining grace," "God withdraws His gracious influences," and "God leaves men to their natural blindness, to the hardness and unrestrained tendencies of their hearts, to the corruptions of their nature, to their own depraved wills and desires so they are free to act according to their own inclinations and the free exercise of their evil dispositions." These might sound good in Satanic seminaries and pulpits, but they have absolutely no basis in God's Word.

Marc D. Carpenter, Outside the Camp 11 Comments [7/20/2015 3:03:26 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Astral Orgies Award

"the possibilities are endless"

Quote# 131852

Actually you should blow your load whenever you have the chance to. That is what I have done and that is what true power really comes to. There is magnificent power in the wealth of cum and of the act of cumming. I have found that it is better to let it consume you, retaining it only hinders yourself and serves evil.

When I say evil I mean the moral busybodies who try to shame you for pleasure. I engage in astral orgies practically every night where the possibilities are endless. I've held orgies with many extraterrestrial and extradimensional entities alike.

Telochi, r/occult 20 Comments [9/20/2017 10:55:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131790

Yes and it all goes back to evolutionary teaching. No God no accountability to how you treat your neighbor or child.. Were all star stuff and pond scum. So if a dad wants to pour boiling water on his 2 year old child to teach his girl friend a lesson. If there no God theirs nothing wrong with them doing that either and if they have to murder a few cops to keep them selves out of prison so what? .and if they murder a few judges if there clever enough to get away with that to. good for them. That's exactly what Satan wants people to think that we came from star stuff and there is no God. And you should only be sorry for getting caught.

mr goody two shoes, Christian News Network 13 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:08 AM]
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Quote# 131830

Girl Marries Dog To Get Rid Of Bad Luck
The 18-year-old girl was forced to marry the dog because she was said to be unfortunate

An Indian teenager has been forced to marry a stray dog in an attempt to chase away bad luck.

The Mirror reports that 18-year-old Mangli Munda married the animal in a lavish ceremony after a local guru told her family that she had been stricken with bad luck and that marrying a man would bring destruction to the family and her community.

Thus the girl had to wed the dog during an occasion which was reportedly witnessed by 70 guests.

The bride said:

"I am marrying a dog because the village elders believe that my evil spell will be passed on to the dog. "After that is done, the man I will marry will have a long life."

"My villagers say that many girls like me have followed this ritual and they have gotten rid of their evil spells and are living happy lives now,"

"I will also be free to marry a man of my dreams after the evil spell is over."

"I will marry a man one day. It is the dream of every girl to marry a prince charming. So I am also waiting for my prince."

The girl’s family also reportedly said that they would treat the dog with all the respect a human groom would receive.

Mangli Munda, Munda Family, Various Village Elders, Pulse.ng 9 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Salami

Quote# 131841

(justifying his god's actions as regards Adam and Eve)

I disagree. Since the consequences of evil effectively destroy paradise in any case the post paradisal state is instigated by human decision. It is demonstrated that if humans establish themselves as the ultimate authority paradise ceases to exist. what you are therefore proposing is the abolition of consequence.

That said God wishes eventual restoration hence the eventual return to heaven where humanity walks once again with God. If that is what we want.

God's only punishment then need only constitute endorsing the consequence of human decision and action.

Enhanced punishment, if we cannot discount it, serves the purpose of deterrence.

The Great Vladini, Religion and Ethics 3 Comments [9/20/2017 10:50:00 AM]
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