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Quote# 138185

No virtue/ principle/ nobleness compensates for being ugly.

People can come up with any justification/ way people can look at the world to calm themselves. Or, if your parents or family decide on a way for you to make peace with life for losing, or for you to have a sense of honor/ not whining/ not feeling entitled... you're just hurting yourself.
Because none of that matters. No principle/ code of conduct gives you a full life experience. Only somatic/ materialistic/ popularity luxuries do.
All else is pointless if you don't get that.
Living by any ideology that puts you at the expense of that makes you an auto-bitch from an evolutionary/ instinctual/ society's perception perspective.
Don't be virtuous. Be powerful.
Parents/ Teachers shouldn't groom their offspring to be humble unless they're so hopelessly dense or naive. Dont' train them to feel humble, or meek. That's for the lowerborns. Groom them for power and dominance. Anyone who argues just wants to see you fail.

Eugenicist, Sluthate 3 Comments [6/18/2018 7:39:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138151

I was recently walking through a local shopping mall. I heard rhythmatic jungle music. I saw a group of dozens of children and a hundred or so observing parents. The kids were strutting to the music. The little girls were shaking their butts, gyrating to the music. They couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 years old. They were wearing revealing spandex. I walked away in disgust. What is wrong with parents today? The same thing that has always been wrong in a wicked society, people become weak and fleshly. When Christianity flourishes, people at best try to live right in the Lord. But when heathendom flourishes, people descend to the level of animals, doing what feels good, doing my own thing, “Do as thou wilt” as satanist Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) put it.

I've never seen so many effeminate young people as nowadays in the store, and they despise me when they see my “Jesus” hat. Homosexuals hate Christianity!!! They are hardened sinners. They're like Roman Catholics, in the sense that you first have to get them lost, before you can get them saved. Homosexuals have to repent, not in the sense of forsaking homosexuality, but in judging them self as a needy sinner, and that is something very few will ever do. You cannot get saved until you come to Christ, and only admitted ungodly sinners are willing to do that. That is exactly what John 3:20 means, “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”

Titus 2:5 plainly states that women are “to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.” This is the exact opposite of what children are being taught today. Just as with homosexuality, dancing goes against everything which the Word of God teaches. Don't be fooled into thinking that dancing is just innocent fun, there is an immoral mindset that goes with dancing. If you love Jesus Christ and care about what God thinks, then it should matter to you what the Bible teaches. I care, do you?

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 10 Comments [6/16/2018 1:50:45 PM]
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Quote# 138158

To be blunt, I regard Jesus mythicism as pure pseudo-historical dogma by a few cranky atheists. For them, the non-existence of Jesus is somewhere between the holy grail of unbelief (i.e. wouldn’t it be good if we could prove Jesus never existed?) and mental masturbation (i.e the sheer selfishly indulgent pleasure of thinking about it). Jesus mythicism is an unscholarly conspiracy theory and its adherents should be treated in the same way we treat climate change deniers: A polite chuckle, sip your martini, then avoid eye-contact, and slowly walk away.

I sit on the board of the Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus, a board filled with people of all faiths and none, Evangelical Christians, mainline Christians, former Christians, Agnostics, Jews, and Atheists. Now we disagree on A LOT, but we ALL AGREE that Jesus existed. In fact, we had a great discussion on Jesus mythicism at our last board meeting. Larry Hurtado made a great point that Jesus mythicism is like a weird monster that rears its head about every fifty years and needs to be periodically and ritually destroyed. Maybe they’ll do an issue on it one day.

Otherwise, see my older piece: Yes, Jesus existed … but relax, you can still be an atheist if you want to.

Michael F Bird, Patheos 6 Comments [6/16/2018 1:53:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 138133

Set theory is a branch of mathematics dealing with collections of objects, called sets. It revolutionized mathematics and made possible enormous new insights. The approach of set theory also offers a powerful way to think about life, handle anxiety, escape addiction, and understand the miracles in the New Testament.

(Emphasis added.)

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 4 Comments [6/16/2018 4:02:18 AM]
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Quote# 138122

If a girl tried to steal my heart, she would get frostbite

This callous epoch of fervent despair
Makes me feel trapped in an endless nightmare
When everyone’s a stranger or an enemy
Love becomes my greatest adversary

I knew I was racing towards becoming a wizard
Nothing left to do but embrace this internal blizzard
Any atom of empathy I ever felt
Ensnared within ice that shall never melt

Twisted , incels.me 8 Comments [6/16/2018 2:40:40 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138173

It's not even about sex!

One reason I came here is to make a post clearing up normies and antis view of incels. At least for ME it's not even about sex!

I keep hearing "why not buy a prostitute?" and all that about how anyone can get sex. Well if you're one of them lurking and reading this. NO! That's not the only thing in life I'm after! Yes it's a big part of life but a prostitute is not going to genuinely love me, accept me, and want to be in a romantic relationship with me. She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too. What I want is to be hugged by a girl, accepted and liked! No I don't think it's your fault, or all womens fault because I don't have a girl friend (despite my best efforts). I understand you're literally programmed to reject certain guys who don't meet your thresholds and it's not your fault. Just like it's not my fault for being programmed to want to be loved in the first place. What can I do about that huh? I JUST want to be NORMAL like everyone else. I suspect I may have diagnosed autism. I'm pretty sure I do have it, but what can be done about it? I've tried so much, see my posts about me graduating, getting a good job, a car, a home, etc.

I do wish some "opposition" was allowed to post here because I want to know what they'd have to say to that. I don't think they'd have an answer. It's not my fault my brain LITERALLY PUNISHES me with EXTREME PAIN because I'm rejected by girls and considered worthless by you and society. Sure, the government might not want me to kill myself, because I'm a tax cow for them. But YOU wouldn't care would you? I don't get how these people can consider themselves to be on the moral high ground. You know how many men kill themselves every year!? I'd say many of them are incels, many of them are men and they did it over a woman. Idk what percentage, it might be the majority but the reason I suspect is a very large percentage.

AlexAnguish, incels.me 4 Comments [6/17/2018 8:40:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 137352

Good news: Stephen Hawking is no longer an atheist!

Bad news: it’s too late for him to repent of his blasphemy against His Creator and seek God’s mercy!

Woe unto worldly-wise men who forsake God. Don’t follow Hawking to Hell.

Westboro Baptist Church, Twitter 43 Comments [3/19/2018 5:16:58 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 138069

the ULTIMATE blackpill

this for me was bigger than any blackpill i had witnessed or seen online.

looksmaxxing to a point where you can no longer go further, and STILL not being enough for anything close to your looksmatch

at this point you are effectively finished, you have maximised your genetic potential and there is no more "oh if i just do X" or "if i just get Y", you failed.

having reached this point myself and still being considered subhuman because of my genetics, this has been the most difficult thing to accept.

also its even worse when you get told to "just do this bro" when you've carefully and gradually improved your appearance over many years

5ft3mentalcel3rdban, r/Braincels 8 Comments [6/14/2018 4:34:37 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138144


The Holy Bible can be a book of multi-symbolism SweetPea. Who would have thought that a rogue celstial system of planets, headed by the Red Dragon, would threaten our very existence 2000 after it was first told us that it would??

Jesus Christ himself is a being of multi-symbolism. He rose from the dead but who would have thought he was showing us a science whereby we can each be resurrected, dependant upon our level of sin beforehand. It all revolves around an invisible, superabundant, indestructible, dynamic energy...which puts the whole record of God's 'word' into a new perspective...same words, but a different realisation that when we abuse this energy we abuse our genetic health so that by our sins, death came into the world.

The opposite is also true then...that by our individual repentance, as Jesus alone taught us, we restore the inballence of our nervous vigour, add to it, and reap the benefits that Jesus taught us that his followers will reap, both now and, after God's Judgement.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 6 Comments [6/16/2018 9:09:49 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 138149

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Two new baby "drag queens" cartoons"

(cut and pasted from Christian News Network - link here: https://christiannews.net/2018/06/14/childrens-cartoon-drag-tots-to-feature-baby-drag-queens-voiced-by-cast-of-rupauls-drag-race/)

Kandy Sukariya:
:( Horrible what they are doing to Children. They are trying to confuse children. And trying to destroy families.

Lady Checkmate:
Amen.
What they are doing is clear cut sexualization of children and grooming children for rape. It should not be allowed...period.

hgunwilltravel2:
These sick bastards should be shot. Sorry for my french! I am spitting mad over attacking our children to satisfy their sick lust of the flesh.

Socio:
I don't get it;
Do the mentally ill really not have conscience that tells them it is not ok to subject children to their mental illness, to try and make it seem normal even something to emulate?
Or are they so evil they want to propagate more of their illness?


Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 6 Comments [6/16/2018 1:46:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 138167

Here is my problem with this whole issue theologically. Biblical Marriage is picture of of how Christ loves the Church. Christ is monogamous to the Church and so the Biblical view of Marriage is Monogamy. In Christ loving the Church he is always faithful, he has eyes only for his Bride (the Church). There is one Church, One Bride. In the same way the Church is called to be wholly faithful to the one who redeems us. There are many passages in the old and new that talk about being unfaithfulness to God. God throughout the Bible condemns Israel for being unfaithful. So if Biblical Marriage is a picture of Christ and the Church the idea that Polyamory does not stand up to Biblical Scrutiny. If you plan to respond with the typical what about Abraham, David, Solomon...etc. You need to understand that the people in the Bible are flawed individuals that do no live up to the the Perfection of Christ. The ideal marriage in Scripture is 1 Man 1 Woman for life.

Michael Gleason, Patheos 8 Comments [6/17/2018 12:49:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 138164

There are a variety of ways to sexually molest kids. Until recently, there were two primary methods. One method was violent and the other was a seductive beguiling both led to physical molestation.
God says in the latter times much knowledge will increase. Now, there is a new third way which has gained formidable acceptance in Europe, Canada, Australia, and the US. It is institutional child molest. Basically, it begins with the sexual molestation (corruption) of the children's mind and emotions. The mind and emotions (the soul) are linked to their physiology via neuro transmitters. Hence, the kids bodies begin to experience physical molestation immediately upon exposure to LGBT indoctrination formats.
Truly, all who approve of the LGBT campaigns are active child molesters even if they never personally speak with a child, because they are engaging in institutional child molest. I believe modern liberals are as monstrous as Nazi death camp workers, abortion workers, child rapists, ISIS, MS-13.
We are seeing the Western World rebel against God, hate everything that is pure and good. How the Western institutions, cultures, and nations more civilized and less demonic than Islam? How are liberals morally superior to ISIS?

Dark days, Christian News Network 6 Comments [6/17/2018 12:44:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Bob J

Quote# 138161

Oh, yeah, around 1965 a bright young fifth grader named Steve Jobs informed his adoptive parents that he was sick of getting bullied by lowbrow nonwhites at his public school and they must move to a better school district. They scraped together every penny they had and bought a house in Cupertino. There Steve Jobs had a classmate name Wozniak, who had an older brother named Steve Wozniak.

What did Wozniak and Jobs ever do for anybody (other than more or less invent the personal computer)?

Is the world better off with more Detroits where girls outscore boys in math or with more Cupertinos where the Wozniaks and Jobs outscore the girls in math?

Steve Sailer, Unz 5 Comments [6/16/2018 1:54:54 PM]
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Quote# 138118

Does God Support Polygamy?

What do Abraham, Jacob, Esau, David, and Solomon have in common? All of these great men of God had multiple wives. So, does God support polygamy? That’s the question we want to answer today on the B.E.A.T.

INTRODUCTION: Hey what’s up everybody my name is Allen Parr and so the question comes up, “Did God permit Polygamy?” This is a tricky question and one that needs to answered carefully Well there’s actually one verse in the OT that seems to CLEARLY suggest He did (Deut. 21:17). So, in this video I want to look at 1) some of the REASONS why some men had multiple wives; 2) the RESULTS of those decisions and then finally 3) the RELEVANCE for us today.

1. Men had multiple wives for a variety of reasons
a. Barrenness – Sometimes it was because their wife was unable to have children and further the family lineage.
b. Protection for Women – Other times they were providing protection for women because due to many men dying in war there was a disproportionate number of women to men and women were unable to provide for themselves so men would step up and take extra wives to provide support and covering (sadly women were often forced into prostitution to provide for themselves)
i. Deut. 25:5 – There is even a scripture that encourages a man to marry his brother’s wife if the brother died without children.
ii. And so the idea here is do you become a polygamist or do you force that woman to possibly become a prostitute?
c. Alliances – Sometimes it was to forge alliances with other nations and so kings would trade wives to secure the partnership.
d. Greed – Other times men like David chose to take on wives for selfish reasons.
e. But even though, interestingly enough on one occasion God says to David, “Why did you have to go and steal someone else’s wife? If the ones you had weren’t enough I would have given you more…” (Is God condoning polygamy?)

2. The RESULTS of Polygamy
a. Whether it’s a sin or not, interestingly, each time a man took on more than one wife in the Bible it created major problems and divided the home.
b. We can look at Abraham and his two wives, Jacob and his 2 wives + 2 concubines, we can look at the situation between Hannah and Peninnah which was an absolute nightmare, David and his wives and Solomon’s heart turned away from God because of his 700 wives.

3. The RELEVANCE for us today
a. God Established His institution of marriage at creation – The Law of First Mention – God’s design for marriage is very clear and is outlined in both the OT and the NT. In Gen. 2 God says, “And the TWO shall become ONE.” Jesus then confirms this in the NT (Paul says the same thing about church leaders needing to be “the husband of ONE wife.” (see also Eph. 5:22-33 and Col. 3:18-19)) where He repeats the very same scripture found in the OT. So anything outside of God’s original design cannot be His perfect will.
b. Don’t confuse God’s PERMISSIVE will with His PERFECT will – There are many things He allowed but doesn’t desire.
c. Don’t take something that God is DESCRIBING and interpret it as God PRESCRIBING it – David cursed his enemies in prayer does that mean we should do it? When interpreting the Bible be careful not to take isolated events and then make them normative for every believer (poison, snakes, etc.) Does that mean that because it worked for them we should do it?
d. Just like God blesses and uses us despite our many sins in the same way God was patient to bless many men in the OT who took multiple wives. So instead of asking, “Why or how could a holy God bless someone like that?” Instead ask, “How could God overlook some of the stuff that I’ve done and still bless me in spite of what I do?

So did God allow polygamy for various reasons in the OT? I think we have to safely say that He did. But has that ever been God’s perfect will for a marriage relationship? I think we can safely say NO.

The BEAT by Allen Parr, Youtube 4 Comments [6/16/2018 1:54:31 AM]
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Quote# 138163

[on someone confessing to being a pedophile]

I think most people choose to focus too much on the child victims in this issue instead of the person whose sexuality forces him to have these thoughts (Personally, I hate children so I have no problems ignoring their side ).


No rumor or inuendo here, though. The OP has stated his problem clearly. Still let your kid stay with him?



Well, I've always believed in second chances. If this guy's been around kids without doing them harm, then I'll take my chances.

Personally, I think American society makes too big of a deal out of sex. Like, monstrously big. To the point where I feel that this shit cannot go on without some kind of violent revolution.

Tie that in to my own personal beliefs that may scare people, and it makes me think that it would be me overreacting if I were to simply hear somebody talk about this and immediately become like one of those overprotective parents that I hate. I do not want to become like those people. If I did not trust Pduol when he's already admitted these feelings, then I would be like those people.

Hell, there are plenty of people I would beat up, kill, or otherwise harm if given the chance. I don't do it because I would go to jail. To me, that's a big motivator for me to stay on the law-abiding side. Just hearing Pduol agonize over his lot in life is enough to convince me that there are plenty of others who feel the same way. The threat of prison is there, don't discount it.

So yes, I would allow him to babysit my 11 year old daughter.



Yogsothoth, The Straight Dope 4 Comments [6/17/2018 12:44:54 AM]
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Quote# 138145

Lady Checkmate's headline: "PERSECUTION: School District to Remove “Clergy” from List of Trusted Adults"

Parents and clergy in Fairfax County, Virginia are furious about proposed changes to school curriculum that would eliminate clergy from a list of trusted adults.
https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/school-district-to-remove-clergy-from-list-of-trusted-adults/

Mick Williams:
The northern part of the state is highly liberal, and the disease is creeping south. Virginia is saddled with yet another democrat governor.

Lady Checkmate:
They've chosen their sin over God. Sadly, sin is popular and spreading. The south, while far from perfect, at least seemed to have more of a reverence for God, but with the influx of northerners, who brought their idolatry and rebellion with them, you see moral decay and more tolerance of what was once wholly intolerable in certain areas.

Mick Williams:
I see a lot of good Christian folks in the area. The problem, I think, is so many being misled by the fake media. They all parrot the same opinions.

Lady Checkmate:
Thankfully, there are real Christians who remain. I've met one or two "christians" that parrot alt-left, antiChrist rhetoric. I pity them, because they've been manipulated (and some probably were decent people), sadly, now they're just pawns in satan's war against morality. I pray they return to righteousness, obey God rather than men and seek God's favor rather than man's. They will stand before God, by themselves and be judged for their rebellion against Him AND at that time, the last thing on their minds will be the opinion of others who are subject to God and will be judged for their rebellion as well.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 8 Comments [6/16/2018 9:09:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136161

So much Fake News is being reported. They don’t even try to get it right, or correct it when they are wrong. They promote the Fake Book of a mentally deranged author, who knowingly writes false information. The Mainstream Media is crazed that WE won the election!

Donald Trump, Twitter 25 Comments [1/22/2018 12:06:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 138159

I finally read with great reluctance Mr. Raphael Lataster’s piece published by The Conversation, entitled “Weighing up the evidence for the ‘Historical Jesus’”. My hesitation was justified; the article turned out to be just another attempt to propound the ideological holy grail of fringe atheist groups, namely, that Jesus never existed. Now I am normally a cordial and collegial chap, but to be honest, I have little time or patience to invest in debunking the wild fantasies of “Jesus mythicists”, as they are known.

That is because, to be frank, those of us who work in the academic profession of religion and history simply have a hard time taking them seriously. They are the equivalent of climate change deniers or 9/11 conspiracy theorists. None of them are bonafide academics with tenure at a respected institution in this field, have peer-reviewed publications, and are recognised as experts in their area.

The Jesus mythicists are a group of enthusiastic atheists who through websites and self-published books try to prove the equivalent of a flat earth. I serve on the editorial board for the Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus, where we have an editorial team of people from all faiths and none, celebrated experts in their fields; and I can tell you that the Jesus mythicist nonsense would never get a foot in the door of a peer-reviewed journal committed to the academic study of the historical Jesus.

Michael F Bird, On Line Opinion 5 Comments [6/16/2018 12:36:18 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 82818

Ironically, I have received more hate-mail on this subject than any other. Only occasionally do I receive a thoughtful response. Many letters arrive unsigned and full of venom. I have been called a hate-monger, a homophobic religious bigot, and other names inappropriate for publication. One point that is made repeatedly is that my view should be kept to myself and other "small minded people like me." By implication, only one viewpoint about homosexuality should be heard---the affirming one. All others are unworthy. This is intriguing. Those who chose the homosexual lifestyle use to repeatedly say, "All we want is to be left alone to live the way we desire." Obviously, this is not all they want. Many homosexuals want to normalize their lifestyle in society. Homosexuals activists want to force their lifestyle on you. They want your children to see the "gay way" as a choice equal with heterosexual relationships. They want school curriculum to teach this to your children. They don't want tolerance. They want full endorsement-or else!

One of the most manipulative tools used by homosexual activists is a comparison of their cause with civil rights causes of the past. As the gay marriage debate escalates, we will repeatedly hear comparisons between inter-racial marriage and gay marriage. This is a false comparison. But they will continue to insist that you buy the line that homosexuals are an oppressed minority group. Instead, I invite you to consider that it is a dangerous error (and an offense to real minorities) to compare homosexuals with previous groups that fought for civil rights. Homosexuality is a behavior people choose. The fact is that two men could live together and deeply care for each other without being homosexual. Homosexuality only becomes part of the equasion when they commit deviant sexual acts with each other. The bottom line is that a person is only homosexual in a behavioral sense.

Pastor Steve Cornell, Accept Homosexuality - Or Else 85 Comments [7/26/2011 3:45:50 AM]
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Quote# 138148

For fuck's sake, wake up humanity. Love is not sacred.

Love is not a sacred bond/ cosmic pairing. It's trade exchange. The fluffy romantic disney virtue value of all of it is false. All of it.

Only people who value it are lonely insecure pussies who (are rarities) that are happy to have any person that will take them. And, are people who buy into naiveness while completely unaware that they biologically hold uncontrollable basic functions that draw them near people of value. No matter how circumspect they are of it, they end up falling for their primal urgings. Those who really don't give a shit about leftist/ humanitarian viewpoints just engage in it fully and shrug out "that's life" or "haha I'm better than people and I wanna disadvantage them all" inner narratives for their indulgences that bring about inequality and unfairness. For those not of good lms/ smv.

Men love sex primal, as do women. Men would rather slay women who are hard to get, and have issues in order to make them feel like they're the tamers of the elements... rather than having people who are truly bondable/ spiritually compatible. As do women. They wanna feel they're atop the hierarchy by getting with people with high primal capital, I.E. high LMS.

Hence love has never broadly been about people being loving/ communal throughout humanity. It's about cryptoconquests and cryptocompetitions that the euphemisms/ happy clappy narrative of society was meant to hide. And it works, and leftism/ egalitarianism/ humanitarianism/ Obamaism/ Clintonism/ etc. is all just a politicized/ legalistic extreme extension of this cultural fronting.

Fairy braiding pussy wussy mansy pansy faggots everywhere.

Eugenicist, Sluthate 7 Comments [6/16/2018 9:12:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138115

To make a special class of social evil may be rather arbitrary; nevertheless, we make the distinction for the purpose of this study.

Slavery is an example of societal evil. It was never the ideal will of God that one human being should “own” another. Regardless, slavery was a part of the fabric of the antique world, and the Old Testament sought to regulate it and minimize its harshness.

The Hebrews acquired slaves in two ways. First, they frequently made
war-captives their slaves. Second, since property was a family inheritance and could not be sold, a poor Hebrew needing finances would sometimes sell himself into servitude.

It must be observed, however, that the treatment of servants, as regulated by the Old Testament, was far superior to the antebellum slavery of southern America. Slaves, under the Mosaic law, had civil, domestic, and religious rights. If a man killed his slave, he could lose his life; if he maimed a servant, the bonded one was to be set free. Slaves were frequently treated as family members, afforded certain liberties, and even shared in the religious life of the Jewish community. A Hebrew slave who had indentured himself was to be released after six years of service (see Tenney, pp. 453ff.).

The slavery of the first century Roman world was quite a different matter. It was extremely barbarous. It has been estimated that there were some 60 million slaves in the Roman Empire; they were considered a constant threat to governmental authorities. In Rome’s view, a slave was not a person, but a thing. He could be beaten, branded, or crucified.

Many have wondered why the New Testament writers did not boldly condemn this horrible institution. In the first place, it was not the essence of the Christian religion to precipitate a violent revolution — and that is what would have happened if the cry, “Emancipation!” had gone forth.

Rather, it was in the nature of the teaching of Jesus to provide a leavening influence that would enter the hearts of humanity and initiate a disposition of equality respecting human rights, which, in time, would reveal the evil of human bondage. The “Golden Rule” (Matthew 7:12) strikes at the very heart of this matter. William Barclay’s discussion of slavery, in the introduction to his commentary on the book of Philemon, is a masterpiece in addressing this theme.

Wayne Jackson, Christian Courier 3 Comments [6/16/2018 1:50:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Skyknight

Quote# 138132

Yet because of liberal bias anyone who questions relativity is unlikely to get a high school science teaching job, much less a PhD or college faculty position.

(Emphasis added; see also: Conservapedian relativity.)

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 2 Comments [6/16/2018 4:02:11 AM]
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Quote# 138117

Laura Lowder: Uh .. . No. Sometimes abortions do not "work. Often conversion --- I prefer to call it reparative therapy --- does. Look. there is no evidence of a biological cause for homosexuality. None. There might be some down the pike, but right now it's wishful thinking. Twin studies have pretty much blown the idea out of the water. So - - - Reparative therapy. If we take a broad view, all psychological therapy is reparative -- repairing something that is damaged or not working at an optimal level. Maybe you want help to quit acting out in ways that are offensive to your spirit and self-sabotaging to what you really want out of life. Would you want to be denied help with that by a blanket ban on reparative therapy? Maybe "going straight" isn't what you want, but you want better-balanced relationships with the same and the opposite sex. Don't you have a right as a human being to be able to pursue that goal? Or maybe, like a lot of straights, you find yourself involved with jerks and want to overcome that disposition to become capable of fostering healthier relationships with a more decent sort of person. Isn't that your right? If you agree with me that it is, then you really want to leave reparative therapy as one of your options.

Chip01: Ummm no. Conversation doesn't work. The head of the conversion himself quit. (Exodus International)... I also don't agree with changing the name of something so it won't invoke as horrible of a reaction. (Example: Let's change the name of "torture" to "bunnies" so that it doesn't invoke as horrible of an image... )Nice trick, but a bit obvious. Reparative therapy should be for the group that attacks gay people, and makes them feel like being gay is bad. Donna Cambell of Tx should go first The rest of your comment is from "sex in the city"... Yes, dating is hard for both gays and straight... Why is that? Because people are people. Ps : love doesn't need a "cure". Go sell you're snake oil elsewhere.
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Gay is natural. there is nothing wrong with being gay... Your Somme to show your ignorance, as hiv is in the straight community and in some countries rising higher than gay communities... Your mixing social behavior... And trying to use that as an agreement. It doesn't work...

Laura Lowder: HIV is the tip of the iceberg; gay men are vulnerable to a range of injuries and ailments the straight community doesn't think of. As more and more straight couples are being persuaded by pornography to go "creative" those diseases are showing up in more women than before. That is NOT "natural." And even if it were, behaviors are self-determined. And some behaviors are dangerous.

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Laura Lowder: There are a lot of people whose testimonies declare that reparative therapy DOES work. Maybe their goals were different from yours; maybe their therapists were more attuned --- Who knows? But your testimony does not legitimate the overwhelming effort to utterly ban reparative therapy for unwanted same-sex-attraction. Gays say, "Who in their right minds would WANT to be gay?" but then they are working hand over fist to prohibit help to get past SSA, to achieve a healthier, better-balanced orientation toward same and opposite sex in all dimensions of human relationship. You do realize that reparative therapy is applicable to someone who just wants help to quit acting out? It's not just about "getting a girlfriend," although learning to orient toward same and opposite sex in all dimensions of human relationship can be part of it.


Laura Lowder, Disqus 2 Comments [6/16/2018 1:53:22 AM]
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Religion is Godward-directed attitude and action. It is the divine system whereby estranged humanity may be reconciled to their Heavenly Father.

It is tragic that so many people labor under the delusion that merely being “moral” represents the totality of human responsibility. It does not. Man must be correctly religious as well; morality is included in religion, but it does not exhaust it. There are numerous forms of religious evil.

First, dismissing God from one’s life is an evil common to infidels and apostates alike. In a passage addressed particularly to those on the verge of abandoning Christianity, an inspired writer warned:

[i]“Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief in falling away from the living God” (Hebrews 3:12).[i]

Observe the connection between the words we have emphasized.

Second, a refusal to accept the evidence regarding the nature of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice reflects a mentality that is evil. In chapter one of the Gospel of John, we are informed of the work of John the Baptizer, whose mission was to prepare the way for the coming Christ (John 1:6-8).

Our Lord, in this context, is symbolically portrayed as “the light” who purposed to provide illumination for this world of darkness. Later, however, the apostle declared that most men have rejected that light and loved darkness instead, the reason being, “for their works were evil.”

Again, “Every one that practices evil hates the light, and comes not to the light, lest his works should be reproved” (John 3:19-20).

Third, perversion of God’s truth concerning the divine plan of redemption is a form of religious evil. In the first century there were certain Judaizers who contended that the Gospel system alone was insufficient to save. They argued that the Mosaic regime (circumcision in particular) was a requisite to forgiveness of sins (Acts 15:1ff.).

Paul, in his epistle to the Philippians, alluded to such false teachers when he warned: “Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision [a word-play on ‘circumcision’ — WJ]” (3:2).

Here is the important principle that may be deduced: any alteration (whether by addition, subtraction, or modification) of Heaven’s requirements for salvation is evil in the sight of God.In view of such passages as Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1 Pet. 3:21, and others, those in the current religious community who advocate the dogma of “salvation by faith alone,” i.e., without obedience, should seriously reconsider their position.

Fourth, a corruption of Jehovah’s ordered pattern of worship is a manifestation of evil. When Jeroboam assumed the role of northern Israel’s new king, he proceeded to revise the Hebrew system of worship. Golden calves were set up at Bethel and Dan, an unauthorized feast-day was instituted, and a new, non-Levitical priesthood was appointed (1 Kings 12:25ff). This novel program of worship was that which the king “had devised of his own heart” (v. 33).

More than twenty times, the inspired narrative of the Old Testament record speaks of the sins of Jeroboam “who sinned, and made Israel to sin” (1 Kings 14:16). Even though Jeroboam was rebuked by a prophet of the Lord (whose message was confirmed by a divine sign — 1 Kings 13:1-6), his “penitence” was short-lived, for, as the sacred narrative reveals, “after this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way ...” (13:33).

Any attempt to worship God apart from divine authority, regardless of one’s sincerity, is a form of evil.

Wayne Jackson, Christian Courier 3 Comments [6/16/2018 1:51:11 AM]
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(=Two comments by the same fundie on the same thread regarding a Christian rockstar coming out as gay=)

1. Well, I don't condemn Christianity, as the Judeo-Christian paradigm is the only one in history that has elevated women to a high status and recognized our value as equal in value to men. Men with a predilection for men and boys ought not to have married, used women to hide behind; there's never been anything shameful about being a bachelor. And certainly they shouldn't be treated like heroes, now.

2. Well, I'm not surprised. The CCM industry has turned religious music into another branch of the entertainment industry instead of a discipleship. Superficial "faith" and superficial life go hand in hand.
There is no room for homosexuality in a Disciple of Jesus Christ. Homosexuality is part of pagan culture -- it's what the Gentiles left behind to become bondservants of Christ. There are no "committed gay relationships" in Christianity, except those invented by gay deconstructionists and revisionists. One simply cannot serve the One True God and the Baals, the Ashteroths and Moloch.
My heart is with this guy's wife and kids. It's a helluva rough and rotten life and a stinkin' lousy way to treat them. But of course they must be sacrificed, we all must be sacrificed to the false gods.
Lord have mercy.

Laura Lowder, Religon News Service 3 Comments [6/16/2018 1:47:56 AM]
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