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Quote# 141149

I have read Ezekiel thanks,I've also read Jude 1:7,the only possibility for the two texts to be congruent,is if the 'so they committed abominations' ..refers to the sexual immorality we see on display in Genesis 19
where all of the men of Sodom expressed their desire for homosexuality..

"who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Jude 1:7

(as Jude requires an example)to act as a warning to others,we have this in Genesis 19 ,where all the men of Sodom desire to have homosexual sex with Angels they believed to be men.

So although they did commit other sins,they were not the reason given for their destruction.

As you will notice,the sins of not having regard for the poor and needy,being overfed and complacent,although sinful are not punishable by death under Levitical law....homosexuality however is.

LIBERALFACISTS, Premier 12 Comments [11/4/2018 1:23:43 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 54683

satan=political correctness

kboswell, Rapture Ready 34 Comments [12/23/2008 12:42:11 AM]
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Submitted By: sooze

Quote# 140993

Hindus, this is your Dharma and your country. You have fought for
it. Hindus, you are in your full right. Anti-Hindu Constitution, anti-Hindu
Governments must be rejected. Hindus, take the lead and restore
Bharat Raj is Hindu Raj and Manow Raj. No need for Dhanows in
this country. The Government of India is a Dhanow Government and
anti-Hindus. They even couldn’t rebuild the Sri Ram Mandir. They are
servants of “Rawan”. Hindus unite and clean up the mess brought
in Hindustan by cruel foreigners with their uncivilized killer religions. This
is a message of Sri Hanuman Seva Sena.

Samarjit Prasad Ganesh, Hindu Existence 7 Comments [11/4/2018 11:36:58 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 141108

(reply to 'If gay people are destined for hell, why make earth hell for them too?')

Because I love them and don't want them to go to hell. It's the same reason why slut shaming and fat shaming is ok. I want the best for my brothers. Being a lard ass and being a whore is terrible for society and yourself. Being a queer is on another level though. You are destroying not only your mind and body, but your salvation and contributing to societal decay. I don't shame queers though because they are usually suicidal and depression ridden (why they're gay in the first place). Any haters can check out the stats, gays are considerably more likely to have anxiety, depression, and antisocial tendencies. These things are found in just about all transgenders.

EDIT: And no, it's not a chicken-egg problem. They aren't depressed because we are mean to them or anything. In countries like Thailand and the Philippines where ladybois are accepted they still have extremely high suicide and drug use rates.

youngman15, Reddit - /r/AganistGayMarriage 10 Comments [11/4/2018 11:53:53 AM]
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Quote# 141154

“Has God not spoken for Himself? Why do Christians share the gospel with others?“

1. "Why do Christians share the gospel of Jesus Christ?"
2. "Do they think they speak for God?"
3. "How do they (Christians) know what God wants?"
4. "Do you Christians know that sharing the gospel Truth is judging others? And it's also hatred and bigotry?"
5. "Why won't those Christians just shut up and let me sin in peace spend eternity separated from God, in peace?"

Christians come across these questions a lot from those who are running from Truth, runnning from God and facing eternity separated from God. Many use Christians as a proxy for their Christophobia and hatred of God and all things holy, others are plain reprobate, but some are just dealing with spiritual conviction and simply responding in their flesh, unlearned. So let's answer, based on scripture, Truth.

(Irrelevant scripture removed)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND. May God bless you and keep you.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 9 Comments [11/4/2018 1:32:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 141139

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Greg Bahnsen Debunks Scientism (the religion of atheism)"


(to those who do not want to watch the video, here are the main points, taken from the YouTube video's introduction:
"In this clip Dr. Bahnsen makes his opening statement. Here are highlights:
- The atheists live inconsistent lives
- Atheists will presuppose human dignity by attending a friend's funeral then later affirm that human life is no different than an animal
- Atheists are primitive in their thinking
- Atheists do not have a workable worldview (example given, be OK with prostitution but speak out against child sexual abuse)
- Evolutionists have an irrational worldview that life spontaneously erupted
- Atheists are unable to answer the tough questions of philosophy
- Atheists work hard to hide their intellectual poverty from themselves and others

Lady Checkmate:
Psalm 14:1 (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 18 Comments [11/3/2018 12:45:04 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 141135

Concerned Citizen: You're going to say that Maxine Waters calling for "confrontation" is a call for violence? That Holder's figurative comment that "when they go low, we kick them" is a call for violence? That Clinton's comment regarding the appropriate time for civility is a call for violence?
You're obviously not a serious person. The only real "call for violence" in your list was an over-the-top statement in 2011 by a Democratic congressman who has been out of politics for 7 years, but you ignore the President's daily ridiculous comments, including just this past week praising a current Republican congressman for assaulting a reporter.

Scalia: Representative Steve Scalise and others were shot by a left-winger. Senator Rand Paul was physically assaulted and had his ribs broken by a left-winger. GOP offices have been vandalized and conservative speakers have been prohibited from speaking at certain college campuses. Left-wingers riot when conservatives come to speak. So, though you may be technically correct that the mentioned Democrats have not called for violence, the actual violence being committed is coming mainly from the Left.
I am not saying that all violence comes from the Left, it's just that the outrage here is misplaced because we don't know who sent the "bombs."

Scalia, The Federalist 16 Comments [11/2/2018 12:34:11 PM]
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Quote# 141145

CATHOLICISM: CATHOLIC PRIESTS REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE FOUND THE “MILK” OF MARY, NAILS USED IN THE CRUCIFIXION of THE LORD, feathers used in the angel Gabriel’s wings, and similar fakeries that only fool ignorant souls who had been thoroughly brainwashed by the first church of satan; the roman catholic church. I met a street preacher who was VERY FAMILIAR with THE WORD OF THE LORD AND WITH the first church of satan. Thirty years ago he was ALREADY VERY faimiliar with THE WORD OF THE LORD. He told me that “catholics are stupid”. I am not gloating, and I do not want to make my catholic friends whom I witness to, angry. But that man is so right. NEVER FORGET THAT MARY WENT TO HELL UNLESS SHE RECEIVED THE LORD JESUS AS HER PERSONAL SAVIOR.
JOB 33:31, EXODUS 12:13, LEVITICUS 17:11, ROMANS 8:5, 8; PROVERBS 23:20, 1CORINTHIANS 1:29, 5:5, 8:13, 10:20-F21, 15:50; 2CORINTHIANS 7:1, 10:3, 12:7; GALATIANS 2:16, JOHN 3:6, 2:4, 5; HOSEA 8:13, GALATIANS 3:13, PHILIPPIANS 1:22, 3:3; JAMES 5:3, 1PETER2:24; REVELATION CHAPTERS 13, 17, 18, 20:11-15

Nextaxpro, THE BEST POLITICALLY INCORRECT SITE ON THE {PLA}NET 7 Comments [11/4/2018 10:39:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 140998

MR: Again, when you write that paper and win a Nobel prize, I'll believe you, cause I'm open to actual evidence, of which you've demonstrated none. Without evidence, you just come off to me as a naive and gullible person repeating discredited propaganda... or a Russian shill, I'm not sure which. Evolutionary science is based on the same principles of research as any other science, and if you so distrust science, I suggest you quit using it. If churches forced people to choose between church and the benefits of science, the church certainly wouldn't last very long! We all know the benefits of science, and especially when someone's life is on the line, people may pray, but they sure as hell hedge their bets and go to the doctor, don't they!? I have a dear Christian friend who "doesn't believe in evolution" getting treatment right now with medicine based on evolutionary science. It's working.

Martin: Isn't it strange how you claim Evolution is science yet you cannot demonstrate it.
Science is what is observed and demonstrated, repeatedly. Evolution doesn't fit that.
And no, your friend is not "getting treatment right now with medicine based on evolutionary science", they are getting treatment based on real, experimental, empirical science.

MR: Which is based on what we know about evolutionary science. It's why we use other animals in medical experiments, particularly animals with which we have a closer common evolutionary ancestor. Based on what we know about the evolution of cells and viruses. You don't have to accept it, I don't care, but scientists do. I trust the scientists who have cured me and my friend more than I do some anonymous science-denying internet dude. When you give up the benefits of science, that's when I'll believe that you take your own arguments seriously.

Martin: One of the fallacies of medicinal experiments is that you can test satisfactorily on different organisms. It leads to errors in the design of medicines. Nether cells nor viruses evolve, although they very within their range.

MR: Says the non-scientist who hasn't provided a shred of evidence for his view. Scientists are well aware of their limitations. Nor does everything need to be recreated in the lab to come to a conclusion. Forensic scientists don't need to recreate a murder in order to solve a crime. I don't have to know what every little gadget in my car does to understand the basics of how a car works. The same for evolution.
Every time I travel to another part of the world, I read up on the geology of the place, the fossils, its ancient past and compare it to what I've learned. It's always consistent. Every time I travel, the evidence supports science. You've not given me one reason to believe your view. Unsupported assertions mean nothing. Until you write the paper that overturns the scientific consensus, I think we can safely ignore your opinion. Just because you have heartburn about evolution doesn't change a thing. All of your "Answers in Genesis-style" talking points have long been debunked. Even religious institutions are understanding that you can't keep asking people to check their brains at the door of the church, and have come around to the evidence of evolution. Fortunately, science and scientists keep on doing their thing without regard to your willful ignorance. Tell me again how scientists are wrong. You can tell me any lie you want. Until you provide actual evidence they're wrong, we can safely dismiss your protestations. I eagerly await your Nobel prize winning paper.

Martin: You have provided no evidence for Evolution, not merely missed out a little. My evidence is the Bible.
That fossils match the strata they're in is no surprise, for the strata are defined by the fossils. Consensus is destructive of science, it was scientific consensus that Galileo had to battle against. The evidence of the rocks and fossils is entirely consistent with the Genesis Flood narrative, scientifically.
No, the evidence and interpretations from Creationist organisations hasn't been debunked. In the main they've been ignored.It isn't a case of not using your brains, rather it's a case of actually using your brains and looking at the evidence. Exactly the same evidence you claim for Evolution supports the Genesis Flood much better.

MR: Science has provided a mountain of evidence for evolution. You've provided none. The Bible isn't evidence any more than the Vedas are evidence for a Hindu version of the universe. Creationists haven't provided any evidence, even gave up providing evidence. If they had evidence, then they'd have convinced scientists. They haven't. They just keep asserting nonsense, like you keep asserting nonsense. I'm to believe some anonymous internet dude over people who dedicate their lives making this world a better place? Wait..., have you written that paper yet? No? Oh, well, then a shout out to Frances H. Arnold, George Smith, and Sir Gregory Winter in today's news for winning the Nobel Prize for their "pioneering work in evolutionary science." Thanks for continuing to provide us with evidence for evolution. Great job!

Martin: You have provided no evidence for Evolution. What you need to do is provide a demonstration of the descent of all life from the LUCA. Anything else is just interpretation. I await your demonstration.
Creationist have provided plenty of evidence, there are papers that examine and refute the claims of Evolution. The reason many scientists will not be convinced is because then they'd have to admit there is a Creator.

Martin, Premier 5 Comments [11/4/2018 11:38:33 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 54932

"Life does not need a designer to form, it is the law of nature, nothing more."

Show? us life arising by natural means and you'll have a case for your faith. Until then (and that will be always and forever) you spout religious fatih, not science.

NephilimFree, Youtube 33 Comments [12/23/2008 9:01:52 AM]
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Quote# 54672

Athiesm is a religion, and I've never seen a more militant and aggressive one, possibly Islam. The similarities are astounding...one says pray or die, the other says science or die. Both very much angry and militant.

(later on)
If you concede the chance you might be wrong in your assertions, the entire athiest argument crumbles, because if you concede the possibility there is a god or higher intelligence, you would go against the doctrine of your religion and have no leg to stand on

EmptyBottleTherapies, YouTube 44 Comments [12/23/2008 11:49:15 AM]
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Submitted By: FacelessAtheist

Quote# 141148

(In response to: "Thanos instantly wiped out half of existence. The God of the Bible murdered the whole population in painful circumstances except for 8 people. Why is one considered a villain and the other is worshipped?")

Because one deserves worship.

Think about it. God created us. He has the right to do with us however He sees fit. If you make a vase, don't you have the right to smash it if you don't want it anymore? God has ownership over us, and He has the right to do with us as He sees fit.

But God was merciful compared to what He could have done.

God made a very distinct set of rules. We as His creations are required to follow them. But what do we do? We break them. Therefore, we are at God's mercy. The fact that God does not strike us down at our FIRST sin shows incredible mercy and grace from God's side of the law.

Thanos, on the other hand, is one of God's creations, and is therefore accountable to God's law. When he committed mass genocide, he may have seen it as an act of mercy, but it was still murder. Sure, resources may be less spread out for the next few generations, but given enough time, the universe will be back to the way it was before the Snap.

When God sent the Flood (or any sort of massive cause of death), there was a very good reason. The Flood exterminated all of the people who were committing sins that would be considered heinous, even to today's standards. When Pompeii was wiped out, they were an incredibly evil group of people (what you never see in a museum, are all the paintings of horrid acts that the people of Pompeii did DAILY, such as beastuality). So yeah, there's still sin in the world. But the sins today are minimal by the people's pre-flood sins.

Christian Swanson, Living in Wisconsin, Quora 25 Comments [11/4/2018 1:21:00 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 141001

O JEHOVAH, our JEHOVAH, how majestic is your name in all the earth (Psalm 8:9).

"And he showed me JOSHUA the high priest standing before the angel of JEHOVAH, and SATAN standing
at his right hand to oppose him. And JEHOVAH said unto Satan, "JEHOVAH rebuke thee, O Satan;
even JEHOVAH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee" (Zechariah 3:1-2).

Saint Paul said "we (Christians) have a great high priest, JOSHUA the Son of Elohim" (Hebrews 4:14).


Joshua the Messiah said: "SEEK and ye shall find; KNOCK, and the DOOR will be opened unto you" (St. Matthew 7:7).

In Holy Scripture, the divine Holy Spirit is symbolized by 7 Eyes, 7 Lamps of Fire, and 7 Horns:

"For behold the STONE that I have laid before JOSHUA: upon the STONE are seven eyes.
Behold, I will engrave its inscription," says JEHOVAH of Hosts, "and I will remove the
iniquity of that land in one day" (Zechariah 3:9, Apocalypse 4:5, 5:6).

Pope Boniface VIII said "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely
necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

The Reformation began on October 31, 1517, when German monk Saint Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the Castle Church door in Wittenberg, Germany. That was one of the greatest events of the past 1000 years. Saint Martin made a translation of the Bible from Greek and Hebrew into German. Soon all the countries of Europe followed his example by translating the Scriptures into their languages. For the first time in history, the recently invented printing press made the Word of JEHOVAH available to all the people.

In 1520, Saint Martin Luther published a book entitled On The Babylonian Captivity of the Church. The end of the Babylonian Captivity of the Jews in 457 BC led to the rebirth of Israel, and started the 490-year countdown to the First Coming of the Messiah. That explosive book sent shockwaves through the underworld, and the fallout soon reached unholy Roman Emperor Charles V. For that reason, he summoned Luther to the Diet of Worms, to publicly disallow the book, and be reconciled to the Church of Roma.

In May 1521, at the Diet of Worms, Luther made his courageous defense of On The Babylonian Captivity of the Church. For that reason, Elector Frederick the Wise feared for the life of the Reformer, and his soldiers "kidnapped" the Saint and hid him away in the Wartburg Castle. While "imprisoned" there, Luther translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into German. That is the place where he also threw the inkwell at the Devil.

The Wartburg Castle, in Thuringia, is a sacred site and a place of pilgrimage for all true Christians.

The "big bang" Jesuits would have loved to do a Guy Fawkes on the Castle, but it was shielded by angels, and the surrounding hills.

On the left can be seen Luther's desk, and the spot where he threw the inkwell at the Devil. Over the centuries, souvenir hunters have removed chunks of the wall.

In 1525, Saint Martin took another step which caused consternation at the Vatican—he married his sweetheart—escaped nun Saint Katharine von Bora.

It is a good thing that there was no German Equal Wrongs Amendment in force at that time. Otherwise, the gender roles would have been completely reversed, and there would have been no perfect partnership between the 2 saints....Monks and nuns are the true transgenders because they are obsessed with SEX . . . and yet they are forbidden to marry and have children (I Timothy 4:3).

Patrick Scrivener, Reformation 6 Comments [11/4/2018 11:38:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Jacob Harrison

Quote# 141032

Good works won't get us to Heaven

Some people are deceived in thinking their good works will get them into Heaven. Some will say I'm a good person. I'm not perfect, but I try to do what's right.

"God tells us there is none good, but the Father which is in Heaven."

We all sin and never could be perfect, no matter how hard we try. There was only one perfect and that is Jesus Christ.

"As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one." Romans 3:10.

"Our righteousness are as filthy rags." Isaiah 63:6

There is no way we could make it to Heaven without Jesus. Our hope is in Jesus and not ourselves.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We should tell others to repent of their sins and trust Jesus alone for salvation. Good works want get us to Heaven.

By Patsy Lambert

Contributing Columnist

Patsy Lambert is from Whitmire. Her columns appear weekly in The Newberry Observer.

Patsy Lambert, Newberry Observer 15 Comments [11/4/2018 11:40:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 141053

It is settled science that, at human conception, a new human organism comes into existence.
Minimal morality dictates that it is wrong to execute the innocent.

Unless the pro-abortion crowd can prove beyond ANY doubt (say-so claims by "experts" do not count as proof) that the human organism in the womb is NOT a person / human being - which proof has never been supplied - then pro-aborts find themselves on the wrong side of a holocaust of immense proportions.

The burden of proof to show that there are certain humans who are not persons falls on the pro-abort. History is replete with human rights atrocities in which certain humans were wrongly declared to be non-persons. This is why pro-aborts have much in common with those who gassed Jewish people because they were "sub-human," and those who owned and whipped Black people because they were "less than animals." You will notice that most arguments put forth by the pro-abortion crowd necessarily and inherently dehumanize the human in the womb. That is their only "hope."

Open-minded seekers, on the other hand, who are willing to follow the science need only adopt a minimal morality to understand that abortion is wrong. They do not have to be religious, highly degreed, rich, or privileged. They only need to know it is wrong to execute the innocent. The fact that some pro-aborts actually make straight-faced defenses for the death penalty for innocents, as well as for executing BORN children, is a sign of death-speration on their part, as they cling to their abortion cult for any and all reason, however irrational.

WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet, The Daily Caller 9 Comments [11/4/2018 11:40:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 141055

TODD (addressing abortion clinic escort volunteer): Did I just see that right? Did you just gently and nicely put a little worm on the ground and save its life? I have seen no end of amazing ironic things in this life, but that has to be the most hypocritical, hard-hearted, act I have ever seen. You just saved the life of an inconsequential bug! You just saved the life of a animal that has no consciousness. At all! And now to downplay the importance of life in an animal that was created to glorify God in its very existence, you just saved the life of a bug and you are escorting women in to murder their children! You just placed more value on the life of a bug than on the life of a human being! An animal that there are literally billions of in this area! Not in the world, billions just in this area alone! You just save the life of a bug over the life of a human being! You spared the life of an animal, to sacrifice the life of a child! Romans chapter one says that you are going to lift up the life of the creature over the Creator! You are worshipping animals over God! And he has given you over to such a sad state of affairs with your hard heart and your wicked mind that you value the life of a bug over that of a freeborn child! Do you understand, what that says about your heart and your mind, young lady? He is giving you over to your own hardness of heart! How can you do that!? How can you not see the, the futility and the vain reasoning of that where you will spare the life of a bug! You will allow children to be murdered and you will spare the life of a bug, and be rewarded with the praise of a heathen culture! You spare the life of a bug. I, I, I do not understand that. I never...

VOLUNTEER (comical voice): My heart!

TODD: Your hard heart? Your hardened heart? Your hardened heart? Your hardened heart found life in coffee. And now you're bragging about saving the life of a bug while you're congratulating yourselves about being complicit in the murder of children! You're bragging about sparing the life of a bug while you're congratulating yourselves about being complicit in the murder of unborn children. Are you a vegan, too?

If Only Even One (Todd), YouTube 4 Comments [11/4/2018 11:41:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Citizen Justin

Quote# 141106

Lets take a look at the Jimmy Saville case. Many of the people complaining about him, were 15 - 18 years old at the time, which back in his day, when everyone was sleeping with anyone, it was perfectly acceptable. You ask any rich man who lived through the 60's -> 80's, everyone was sleeping with everyone, and everyone wanted to!

There wasn't much abuse, there wasn't much neglect. It was all just free loving. Yet, here we are today, screaming about a dead man who fucked a 17 year old who at the time, wanted to sleep with him, because who didn't want to sleep with Jimmy back then!

Hyve, mmo champion 34 Comments [10/28/2018 8:02:17 PM]
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Quote# 141090

It is time to remember, the seventh of April, our victory before month May.
I can think of no reason, why this so-called treason should put Springfield in dismay.
An act of law that defied nature's course would have threatened our children's security.
As those who trusted in God above have voted for purity.
Though others decided to defy the law and take away our freedom of voice,
This act has been a failure as the people made their choice.
Whatever the case of our voting's cause this was all for liberty.
Identity of our populace should n'er dwell on sexuality.
God bless Springfield, God bless Springfield and our most holy cause!
I defy any discriminatory acts and anti-religious government clause!

LordElthibar, DeviantART 3 Comments [11/4/2018 11:43:15 AM]
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Quote# 141131

Hi! You allege Leviticus 18:10,17 countenances polygamy and pedophilia. You then use that as the backdrop for arguing that ministers who preach against homosexuality from Leviticus 18 are inconsistent and, hence, wrong about homosexuality.

Your argument is flawed because you're attempting to refute a claim by attacking the consistency of some ministers. A claim or argument is independent of its proponents' consistency or lack thereof. When you attack the person, his/her argument is left alone and, consequently, unaddressed. This is known as the ad-hominem fallacy. In short, your argument is completely irrelevant to whether the Bible teaches against homosexuality.

Leviticus 18:22 clearly teaches against homosexual acts and that message is plain REGARDLESS what the other verses teach.

That being said, the verses you cite DO NOT teach what you allege:

Lev. 18:10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

This is a proscription of intrafamilial intercourse. As such, there is NO implication or explication for pedophilia. You assert an implication unwarranted by the text. It is unwarranted because we are not told how old these "grandchildren" are. One cannot legitimately read into the text what it does not say. Let's say you're a single grandparent. The BIble prohibits you from marrying your grandchild, but it doesn't prohibit you from marrying in general; and, mind you, anybody else you DO marry will be somebody's grandchild, regardless his age.

Lev. 18:17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

Again, we're not told the age of these sons and daughters, so it is incorrect to assume they are seven or eight years old. The Hebrew words used here are used elsewhere in the Bible to include *adult* children as well as prepubescent ones. This DOES NOT say God likes polygamy nor does it say He countenances it. You're again turning a proscription into an endorsement which is to read into the text what it does not say.

The "fundamentalist" teaching on homosexuality is far more comprehensive than you indicate in your question. They use many verses from the Old & New Testaments and the laws of nature when teaching on that subject.

Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss this further.

Best wishes,


Since you clarified what answer you're looking for, I shall add to this post what I've sent you via email...

As I stated, our doctrine is based upon Scriptural teaching and the Natural Law (since God is the Author of nature). God designed human beings with the ability to reproduce only after physical maturity. Since sex is designed primarily for procreation (see Genesis 1 & 2), you cannot procreate with children. The Natural Law forbids sexual relations with children and God's word ONLY countenances heterosexual marriage between one man and one woman.

Gen. 2:24. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Mt.19:4-5...4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Notice, marriage is between one man and one woman. The only sexual relationship countenanced in the Bible is the marital one:

Heb. 13:4. Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

You are incorrect to say God allows pedophilia. I've offered you a rational argument. If you disagree, please give me a rational reason why.

With respect to a *specific* Scriptural reference against pedophilia, none is needed. The Bible clearly teaches what marriage is and that any sexual relationship outside of marriage is sin. No specific verse is needed in this case.

There are many things the Bible teaches against without specifically naming the practice. For example, Christ taught that any man looking upon a woman with lust has committed adultery in his heart. This is sufficient to teach against pornography and similar forms of "entertainment." There were many forms of sexual entertainment in the Roman Empire, but very few of them, if any, are mentioned in the Bible. This verse, along with similar ones, is more than sufficient to proscribe that behavior.

ScaliaAlito, Yahoo Answers 4 Comments [11/4/2018 1:13:37 PM]
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Submitted By: I

Quote# 54599

[Emphases and typos are Linda's.]

Every choice has an attached consequence. CHOICE => CONSEQUENCE

The choice of sexual intercourse carries an attached consequence of a high probability of a baby. SEX => BABY

The trend for many Americans is to enjoy the “pleasure” of their choices: robbery, murder, laziness, sex,… and do away with the consequences. As Americans, we must stop facilitating this trend by holding ourselves and others accountable for individual choices.

choose accountability. choose life.

Linda Hollist, United Families International blog 62 Comments [12/21/2008 11:52:41 PM]
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Submitted By: GreenEyedLilo

Quote# 54697

(On homophobia)

Its something called being insulted and repulsed by people openly sinning. If a person seems homophobic and are not violent about it, its simply the same as you seeing a person avoiding thieves, if you see a person stealing in the open will you sit beside them smiling, or want to do something about it?

Marcus W, Yahoo! Answers 23 Comments [12/22/2008 5:02:43 PM]
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Submitted By: ChocoholicBec

Quote# 54601

In my town, the atheists and secularists have banned a Christmas tree and nativity scene this year, whereas every year before that they have been legal. I know this is happening all over the place but I never thought I'd personally feel the presence of Satan in my town. (Though it's bad enough the atheist evolutionists and baby-killers have their religion in public schools...) I was wondering if anyone has faced persecution by these fools as well.

Jesus Freak, RR 39 Comments [12/22/2008 5:58:00 PM]
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Submitted By: cc

Quote# 54541

I am a Christian, zealous for my faith in Jesus Christ ... Actually, I would have no problem with a homosexual coming to my wedding, as long as they were respctful, and trying to force their ways on anyone, or molest anyone ....

Vja4him, Carm 49 Comments [12/21/2008 8:54:35 PM]
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Submitted By: Ciscokid

Quote# 141071

For starters, is marriage very important? Of course it is. It is certainly not a toy in which people use and dump. Some say it is "a union between two people" or "it's all about love and romance". But is that really it? Is there really more to marriage than the two mentioned above?

When you hear the word marriage, its earliest use of that very English word dates back to the 13th century. However, this beautiful union is more valuable than we can ever think. Having said so, there is indeed more to marriage than just "love and romance" as the world so claims; but unfortunately, many seem to deny that.

Who created marriage in the first place? God did. In the book of Genesis, highlights God's plan for marriage as it says:

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth." ~ Genesis 1:27-28
Now some in today's world may ask "If God is the author of marriage, did He create/encourage same-sex 'marriage'?" Of course not. Why would He encourage such sodomy practice in the first place?

As we are all aware, this is a major issue that has been debated across the globe. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible does clearly forbids it. In countries such as Spain and Argentina that have allowed this practice, it has created a great deal of damage, to the point it even destroyed many families, and it is a very grave injustice to equality. Even in Netherlands, there has been a significant fall in the marriage rate since the day marriage was redefined. In France, there have been continuous large scale protests against this practice, even after the law was passed. In this century we live in, homosexuality is considered normal by many people. Whenever it is mentioned, it is not uncommon to hear someone ask "What's wrong with two people of the same gender falling in love? Isn't it normal?" The answers to these questions can be found in none other than the Bible.

In the modernized world we live in, people (especially Christians) are labelled as "homophobes" for not agreeing with homosexuality or anything related to it such as same-sex 'marriage', which is just foolish mentality.

The world considers what God clearly tells is unnatural to be natural (Romans 1:26-27). Some may argue that God's law forbidding homosexuality was only for the Old Covenant which God made between Himself and the Israelites. However, a quick search of the Scriptures will show that the New Testament has more verses condemning homosexuality than the Old Testament does.

Jesus himself gave God's definition of marriage in Mark 10:6-9, when he was speaking about marriage and grounds of divorce. He said that in the beginning 'God made them male and female.' He also said that "a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."

If anybody has ever attended a wedding, notice that the minister says:

We have gathered here in the presence of God, to witness the union between this man and this woman in holy matrimony.

Now that is acknowledging that God is the author of marriage! Not the people, not the government, but God alone. He joined the very first couple as husband and wife, and that couple was Adam and Eve. And so marriage, being a union between a man and a woman is perfect, unique, and beautiful.

As for same-sex 'marriage', this practice now itself has consequences in three perspectives:

Equality-wise, the bill itself has no respect for equality whatsoever, as it will only not only destroy the true meaning of marriage. It will has no respect for freedom of conscience, and harsh restrictions of freedom of speech. An example of this, is the case of an evangelist named Tony Miano, who was arrested in London for using "homophobic" language whilst preaching from 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12, where it speaks on sexual immorality.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2vu9C… (In the video the police arrive at 25 minutes and 37 seconds and Mr. Miano was arrested at 38 minutes and 11 seconds)
Social-wise, it will promote more adultery, more child abuse, encourage more divorces among heterosexual married couples. Having mentioned of child abuse, is the case of a small boy who was abused by two homosexual men: christiannews.net/2013/07/06/h…

Children are one of the greatest gifts from God, and are also the heart of marriage. It is important for them to be trained in the right direction, the way of the Lord. The Bible says in Proverbs 22:6 "Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it." But in today's world, they are forced to watch this horror happening in their lifetime, just like what happened to that little boy who got sexually abused by the two homosexual 'dads'. At worse, they are being taught that this sodomy practice is okay, when clearly it's not. Its abnormal, and this false teaching will lead children to Hell. And each child deserves a mother and a father, and gay parenting denies such a gold standard, as the new law does nothing but fulfill the selfish desires of the adults, instead of the well-being of the children.

If two men parent a child, they are discriminating against the mother. And if two women parent a child, they are discriminating against the father, cos the child is entitled to his/her biological mother and father.

SEE: www.thepublicdiscourse.com/201…

AND: gnli.christianpost.com/video/1…

AND: fcu777.deviantart.com/journal/…

In case you haven't noticed, families will be badly affected in every single way possible, since homosexuality is also a marriage destroyer. With that being said, a recent case of a woman whose heart is now broken and devastated when her husband, not only divorced her for his homosexual "lover", but also took THEIR two children with him by force, to the point that they are even suffered identity issues: www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/m…

And linked to social-wise, spiritual-wise, having mentioned of the increase of more child abuse, adultery and divorce, they are classified as sins. The practice itself will even promote more sin, such as lust, incest, polygamy, bestiality and immorality, turning the 21st century into Sodom and Gomorrah all over again, and eventually lead this very nation to Hell fire (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). It will even surprise you that recent studies show that children living in gay-affirming countries are extremely likely to be sexually molested by homosexuals: www.lifesitenews.com/news/posi…

But then again, same-sex marriage is a sin in God's eyes, regardless of man's laws.

As this sinful nature demands acceptance and inclusion, it does nothing but destroy the nation as a whole.

The Bible even says that the devil is there to kill, steal, and destroy. By introducing same sex 'marriage', it is one of his many devious attempts to crumble down a nation, and to shut up the Truth. But one thing most people forgot is that the Word of God still stands, whether they like it or not. And its funny how the LGBT activists like to take the Bible out of context and twist it to suit their sins, to the point they even claim that the verses that clearly speak against homosexuality are "being misused" or "taken out of context", which is clearly a flawed and hypocritical argument, that is only based on man's desire for them to be comfortable with their sinful lifestyles. Some of todays Christians will even deny that Jesus clearly said that marriage is indeed between one man and one woman.

Marriage is, and always will be, a marital devotion between two parties; a man and a woman to be exact, and that's what marriage should be. That is the true definition of marriage. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

What is really disappointing and sickening, is that most of today's churches are watering down the Truth, to the extend that some are even accepting what is a sin before God as 'normal' all in the name of 'equality and acceptance'. Some are even too afraid to even speak out the Truth, coming up with the "We don't to offend anybody" excuse, only to be 'appealing' to the world and not to God (Luke 9:26).

But then, as these signs of the end are happening around us, we believers must not remain stagnant and idle about it. Its time to put it to action!

It's time we take a stand and speak out the Truth of what marriage truly is, which is defined by God, as a union between a man and a woman!

Freesu-san, DeviantART 5 Comments [11/4/2018 11:42:19 AM]
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Quote# 141158

(In the game THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM, the player encounters the Dark Brotherhood, a group of assassins for hire, and is given the choice of joining them and becoming an assassin, or killing them and destroying the Dark Brotherhood.

Joining gives you several extra quests and some of the game's best gear, while defeating them is a fairly brief quest with a large but one-time gold reward.

In this thread, people are debating the merits of getting the extra stuff vs. staying true to their/their character's morals, and the ethics of the Dark Brotherhood itself. Then this guy pipes up.)

i think the main problem here is atheism, atheists are far far more likely to join the dark brotherhood because they lack a lot of morals that people that accept god as their creator, god is true, i assure you that, ive talked to him myself, not with my lips, not with my mind, but with energy. lets face it, a lot of roleplayers are atheists and are gonna go to hell. i can go through this thread and tell you who is 100% a atheists but i wont but the majority are atheists so its only natural the majority are in the dark brotherhood..

John Floras, Skyrim Forums 20 Comments [11/4/2018 1:35:29 PM]
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