(Note: TERFs trying to be philosophical now)
How can you read the history of female oppression without becoming a misanthrope?
When I read about it, it just makes me hate people and the concept of society even more. When people talk about the good of civilization, it's simply a justification to strip the individual of their rights because of some imaginary concern people have. If they sat there and didn't care when their daughters and wives lost rights it just goes to show how horrific they are. Because laws are the only thing stopping them from going back, it just makes me realize how horrible human nature is.
I hate men.
wait until stalking genderists will screen it and present it as a proof of this sub being hate sub
They can all politely go fuck themselves. The only people that care about their fussy, hypocritical, overdramatic stalking are themselves.
who cares what they think? We really need not to give a shi*t. Saying what we think is liberating and real freedom! I know how women are socially conditioned but my sisters we need to throw this off. I and the rest of you are already an endangered species; being lesbian, being a radical feminist who critiques the patriarchy.
I second the motion.
I have to admit, I look at History and vaguely accept it as a weary "of course men dominated women and ruled over them". I don't have a great imagination and it doesn't seem that tangible to me.
But since finding Reddit and becoming active here I'm realising how many men actually hate women right now, see them as sex objects, and genuinely don't understand what women go through. (And I mean, deep, embedded scorn and hatred and loathing.)
It's baffling to me, it's not something I've knowingly experienced in real life but it now makes me wonder what's under the surface of every random guy I see.
I think men don't see women as full humans. You are a lesser than to them. This has been my experience interacting with males.(excluding a few sissy gay men I had as friends).
That's not even going into the ones that want to harm and mutilate us. Many carry hatred for us and are oblivious to the reality of being a woman. Their world centers around them being hero of their world and women are just props.
Even in benign conversations men are consistently disrespectful.
At this point in my life I focus on women. I have the best conversations with them.
What I try to do is focus on little aspects of people as individuals. I think macro analysis has its uses but it generally hinders affection on a micro scale.
The other day I was eating breakfast and the waitress was having conversation with this older woman and so between bites of toast I became an audience member. I was like there at the diner bar and they were acknowledging me but I wasn't actually saying anything. Like I said, eating toast.
Anyway, the old lady was talking about her garden and the waitress apparently had this tomato garden.
She then went into detail about the bugs and various issues she had with the garden. They both talked about how wonderful the smell of a fresh tomato is. How great it is to plant things. The wonderful feeling of fresh dew and sunshine.
Both were women who on surface are nothing. Just an old lady and a waitress. But inside they have an internal universe.
Sometimes you have to turn off the macro analysis long enough to zero in on the internal universes of each individual.
Misanthropy is a condition too macro for me to exist in for an indefinite amount of time. The way my brain works is it tends to zoom in and out.
Be a misandrist, don't be a misanthrope ;)
After all, who'se been actively oppressing, mutilating, killing and raping women for milleniums? Males. Who created a whole system of oppression and colonized our thoughts? Males. Female collaborationists played a big role because of internalized misogyny, sure, but were they 100% free to act and in their right mind? Of course not. Hate men, love your sisters.
I swing between those two states a lot. I'm mildly drunk, so this is going to descend into quasi-philosophical rambling that I might feel like deleting tomorrow, but to me, the question that gets raised is what's the distinguishing quality that resulted in most of violence being...well male violence. I mean, radical feminism gives an axiom-sort of response to that, it's socialization kickstarted from biological moment zero of the material reality of sex and the fact men are physically superior to women. Sort of, if women were given the beginning conditions men were given, would they behave that exact same way?
If the answer is yes, then fuck human design altogether honestly, we should all go DIAF because you can never fix that, even if you remove the current "top of the food chain" someone else will come on top and turn just as sociopathic and corrupt by power. If the answer is no, then I believe in gender to some degree, even if my version of believing in gender on the days I do is more along the lines of "men are hardwired for destruction" than "women are naturally submissive". I suppose between the prey and the predator, only the predator needs to want the uneven power dynamic in order for it to happen, the excuses the prey "wanted it" are just that, excuses and propaganda the predator sells you on so you can't call him hypocritical when he asks for empathetic consideration for himself as a "true full human" that deserves it.
In any case, I don't have an answer to that, I don't think anyone currently does with confidence given the things we know. Regardless, I'd perhaps see myself as a mild antinatalist; honestly, I'm not sure the experience of human life is worth all the inherent or less inherent suffering that gets inflicted upon you. I don't see life as a definitely positive thing (my possibly only consistent moral judgement is that suffering is bad); we're mostly evolutionarily wired to dread suicide and culturally we celebrate life (and not just life -- we like existence) so I understand why that viewpoint is wildly unpopular, and I see the obstacles and flaws in it, I'm far from a militant antinatalist or anything. Still it's my emotional impression of the world, I'm far too indifferent to me or all of us (particularly me) just ceasing to exist from one moment to the next, no warning and suffering involved, and particularly, I'm mildly, privately opposed or at least not as sure it's great when more sentient life gets brought into the mix. Whenever anyone rambles on about the "human race" going extinct and how we should do everything to extend our line and create as many sentient beings as possible, I'm like "meh, let it end, as long as no one has to suffer in the process" (btw I watched the movie "What happened to Monday" the other day, if anyone else watched it and was pissed by the ending as me, hit me up to rant).
We'll live on, wether males are there or not. We appeared before them after all, the XY chromosome is just a mutation. If they indeed change their behavior after gender is destroyed and stop being criminals and rapist then fine, we'll have a great society. If they don't, we'll just have to find a way to continue without them (parthenogenesis or articial semen) and we'll just eradicate the Y (with a male specific disease). When no Y exists on the earth, they'll be gone forever. They can't do the same thing with us btw, since they have an X, too, so thet can't get rid of the x. And we'll be free from oppression and ready to create a perfect society. Either way we're going to win on the long run. I don't fully agree with antinatalists, really poor people in war zones or ppls with genetic illnesses should'nt breed, sure, because exposing kids to that is cruel and unethical, but healthy and affluent (or just average) people can give their offspring a great life.
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