The only reason that anyone can be moral is because God’s law is stamped on their hearts:
for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them.(Romans 2:14–15)
This moral law is often masked or darkened because of our sin nature, but the remnant of God’s law is still visible on the hearts of all. Just as everyone knows—whether they admit it or not—that God exists (Romans 1:19), so do they also know God’s moral law. That’s why even those who reject God can lead “moral” lives—God’s law is written on their hearts. This is also why everyone is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20). When atheists participate in some moral things—such as wearing clothes or telling the truth—they are proving the truth of God’s Word and confirming His existence.
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Christians giving Jesus credit for the good things non-Christians do? The fact you have to word this with a stilted analogy ("God's law is stamped on their hearts") shows you can't explain the mechanism by which this could work. But fundies don't care how irrational their arguments are, just how self-serving and self-righteous they are.
The only reason that anyone can be moral is because God’s law is stamped on their hearts:
And you know this how? No, "You see, we have this book" is not a valid answer. You need something from outside of "this book."
OK, hambone, how many logical fallacies can you cram into three sentences:
Argument from authority
Argument by assertion
Argument by axiom
And finally, the Gish Gallop.
Sometimes, hammie, you prevaricate so much, I worry about your soul. But not for long.
If God's law is stamped on my heart, why the fuck do I need constant goddamn reminders of it from people like you?
People are generally thought to be born with empathy, so much so that people who don't have it are considered autistic or psychopathic. We intrinsically connect to other humans beings, because that is part of our instincts.
So if your god's law was "stamped" at least as much as empathy is, why would anyone be doubting your god? Or your stupid fucking laws? Because here's a reminder: There's 7 fucking billion people on this planet. In total, only 31.5% of people in the world are christians (even though you'd claim that quite a lot of those people aren't). Which means that at least 68.5% do NOT have "God's law stamped on their hearts," or ignore it. If they ignore it, according to you, they are evil. However, if they are evil, then the Social Contract stops working, because society generally assumes that people default to good in order for it to work . Therefore, either God's law isn't stamped on most people's hearts, or morality isn't defined by God's law.</insanetrolllogic>
Let's ask a heart surgeon if he knows anything about anything "stamped on people's hearts".
And when you're talking about "god's law", which law are you referring to?
Perhaps the one in I Samuel 15:2-3?
Or perhaps 2 Chronicles 15:12-13?
Or perhaps Exodus 31:12-15?
Or perhaps Deuteronomy 22:20-21?
Or perhaps Deuteronomy 13:7-12?
Or perhaps Deuteronomy 13:13-19?
Or perhaps Numbers 25:1-9?
The only reason that anyone can be moral is because the moral laws of the Planet Rijax IV is stamped on their hearts:
This moral law is often masked or darkened because of our sin nature, but the remnant of Rijax IV’s law is still visible on the hearts of all. Just as everyone knowswhether they admit it or notthat Rijax IV exists (Rijaxians 1:19), so do they also know Rijax IV’s moral law. That’s why even those who reject Rijax IV can lead “moral” livesRijax IV’s law is written on their hearts. This is also why everyone is “without excuse” (Rijaxians 1:20). When arijaxians participate in some moral thingssuch as wearing clothes or telling the truththey are proving the truth of Rijax IV’s Word and confirming its existence.
Understand the reason you reject this statement. Then you may begin to understand why atheists reject yours.
No Ken. No law is stamped on my heart, yet I am perfectly capable of being moral.
Nobody's law a writen on my heart either.
Your "sin nature" remains a delusion.
"When atheists participate in some moral thingssuch as wearing clothes or telling the truththey are proving the truth of God’s Word and confirming His existence."
Or maybe I just don't want to catch cold, or have to explain myself when my lie gets found out?
The only reason that anyone can be moral is because God’s law is stamped on their hearts:
That's self-evidently bollocks. Quite apart from the numerous other belief systems, simply empathy is enough to supply a moral compass.
The Bible asserts that its alleged deity is the reason people don't run around slaughtering each other. It doesn't give any evidence at all. Even if I couldn't explain this phenomenon at all, and I can, that would in no way oblige me to accept your unfounded explanation.
And k, they've been there for a long time. Ken Ham and Eric Hovind just have other arguments besides Sye's one trick pony. As for Ray, he's not smart enough to play the solipsist word games necessary for that method. He just asserts that the Bible is true, and when called on his bullshit, he makes dubious assertions about the people debunking him.
Post hoc rationalisation. Just because it happened doesn't mean you can ascribe your conclusion to its cause.
And it doesn't make sense anyway--Gobs' law includes "sinful" or immoral things like smiting the Amalekites once upon a time, as well as cruel and unusual punishment for... child disobedience.
"God's moral law"?
Like stone disobedient children?
Like kill followers of other religions?
So, Ken, are you following these "moral laws"?
Why not?
"stamped on their hearts"
Even if it were, or could be, why would one stamp it there? It's not like you can take it out and read it, is it? Wouldn't it be better to stamp it somewhere you could actually read? And what about those that have had heart transplants? What if you had a transplant from someone of another faith? Does their god stamp things there too? Wouldn't there be the chance something different had been stamped there? What if you change faiths? Do they need to have it re-stamped? Do they use ink or is it an impression?
Sounds like someone can't handle the concept of people being able to get on without his crutch. Poor Holiday. So busy trying to find a way to take credit for the opposition's basic human decency that he didn't even notice how his argument would actually be "proof" (by his extremely lax definition of the word) that one does not need to believe in god to be a good person. It's a self-defeating argument of the most laughable variety.
Also wearing clothing is not an issue of morality. If it was then hairless cats would be the most immoral creatures in existence.
Sounds like his god did not stamp hard enough. Consider poor old Moses, banged on the head by stone slabs telling him murder is wrong then going on to wipe out his enemies and enslave their virgin women. He's right though that our moral sense can be compromised by the dark side of character. I'm thinking of that woman who aborted her perfectly healthy baby because its birth would have conflicted with a planned vacation in the Bahamas. No doubt about it, when dipstick atheists tell you a human foetus is not a human being and is a parasite, moral logic goes out the window and takes a holiday.
I don't care for Mr Ham's metaphysics and he's not entirely honest on matters intellectual, but sometimes he gets it right.
Wrong, dipshit. Most humans are born with empathy, because empathy helps us survive as a species. If I save somebody's life, they will be more likely to save my life in the future, knowing that I would attempt to save their life again if they're in another life-threatening situation. It's not rocket science, asshole.
Waffle, Desperanto and mental illness, therefore Bible God.
Actually, therefore, waffle, Desperanto and mental illness. Also, therefore lol!
No doubt about it, when dipstick Christians tell you a human foetus is a fully formed human being despite scripture not stating such, moral logic goes out the window and takes a holiday.
Oh wait, scripture; forget the "moral logic" as neither the Bible, nor the Christians have a high ground to claim in this topic. Stop pretending your "moral" stand on abortion makes you any better than the woman that faces that choice, that sanctimonious bullshit lost it's believability long ago, even before charlatans like Ken Ham.
"The only reason that anyone can be moral is because God’s law is stamped on their hearts"
There's nothing stamped on my blood-pump, so physiologically a case of Use of Bad Analogy. Your argument is invalid .
And - as an Atheist - I can be moral, because I can .
Number of people killed: 0
No flies on me.
Rule of Law, based on British Parliamentary democracy, states that killing is morally wrong.
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So what's written on his , then?
@Antbrain
Sounds like someone hasn't answered Swede's question hard enough.
...or simply not got the moral cojones to do so...?!
So basically it goes:
Ham: Non-Christians have no morals.
*is shown non-Christian with morals*
Ham: Non-Christians have morals because god built them in!
So people do not need to be Christian to be moral. Thanks for the confirmation, Ken.
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