I actually think it is rather arrogant to believe we could actually change the global climate of this earth we have been given. We do need to be good stewards and take care of the gift we have been entrusted with, but God designed the universe with ridiculous precision and attention to detail. As magnificent as this world is, it is temporary and will pass away. Putting all our faith and energy into nature and science is kind of a fruitless endeavor since God has the power to break the laws of physics and restore all matter and energy in existence to the state he intended it to be in.
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Nevermind the fact that the weather paterns only fifty years ago are drastically different.
Well, I guess "God" doesn't give a shit what the atmosphere is like, does He? Because it is getting fucked by us.
[Edited for typo. Damn typo demon.]
Kind of reminds me of the fundies who told me that preserving nature, convervation, and environmental protection were "bad" because it ment we were "not trusting" God. Kind of scary to think that so many fundies share that shave-it-and-pave-it attitude.
If the people of earth wanted to destroy the world (as far as killing off life), I don't see why we couldn't. We are dumping enough pollution, radioactive waste, ozone destroying chemicals etc. into the earth that it's all too possible it will happen. The population increases, the usable farm land decreases, the consumption of harmful chemicals increases the destruction of wildlife due to poisoning increases.....
All we really need is a couple of volcanoes to start pumping the atmosphere full of poisonous gas and ash and we won't have the sunlight to make food or recycle carbon dioxide through plants. The fish of the oceans are already toxic with mercury, you don't think we could end life here if we put our minds to it? I watched a nuclear weapon programme that said a nuclear test was performed on the upper atmosphere, even though there was suspicion that to do so could start the atmosphere on fire. They freaking did it anyway!
With an increase in reality-ignoring, greedy people with no care of the next 100 years, we will destroy the earth, enough for humans to be wiped out anyway. Then our planet will see something else come and take our place as the 'masters' of the world.
A hundred-fifty years ago people said it was impossible to kill all of the buffalo across the great plains.
And don't tell me that god can break the laws of physics, as far as the bible is concerned, god thinks the earth is flat. God understands, manipulates and warps the laws of physics but he trusts a drunk to repopulate the earth with incest? He says it's a sin to wear two different types of material? He 'writes' a supposedly inerrent book that now has thousands of different versions and interpretations?
Why are his mighty works based on other religions and stories?
Omni-anything my ass.
The great thing about items with a lot of small details that work together, you can fuck up a little part of it and change the way everything works.
And while I'm a bit skeptic about the cause of global warming (there might be more to it than just what humans see), it is our job to at least curb the human influences as much as possible.
God has the power to break the laws of physics and restore all matter and energy in existence to the state he intended it to be in.
And why isn't it in that state now? Human influence? The Devil had a field trip with the iniverse?
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Since I have a lj account, I've decided to explain the dummies some things, and you can check up the rest of their posts.
Oh, of course God doesn't change things RIGHT NOW, 'cause it was Adam&Eve sin that's caused us to turn into chaos (2nd law of TD), blah blah blah... but there's no chaos, the world is so precise, and god WILL put it back in place when HE decides.
Right.
Okay, a couple of points. First of, lightredmasseur is a fool for thinking that humans can't change the global climate. We change the local ecosystems in the areas we live all the time. Redhunter mentioned the buffalo, which is one good example. Deforestation, draining swamps for farmland, diverting rivers -- humans have done all of these things, they're historically checkable, and changing the global climate is just this on a larger scale.
Of course his point is that he believes in a magical being that made everything and will just set it all right once it gets bad (plus it doesn't matter anyway because everything is temporary and ephemeral and all that rot).
Still, I have to nitpick. NtC has mentioned a few things about the US nuclear arsenal that just aren't true. Here's info on the world's nuclear arsenal . Russia and the US have approximately the same number of active warheads (and Russia more overall). We could not, furthermore, carpetbomb the land area of the earth even once over, even assuming that 1) all 27,000(!) nuclear warheads that the world owns were used and, 2) they were all really huge 20Mt weapons with blast radii of 50km (which they are not). The earth really is really big (landmass of approximately 150 million sq. km), and even that obscene number of warheads wouldn't allow us to carpetbomb it.
Still, he's right in his larger point -- the US nuclear arsenal would f*ck the earth's sh*t up. It doesn't take a carpetbombing to totally screw the global climate.
Of course, that's not at all important to lightredmasseur, because his imaginary sky daddy is going to fix it all. Or not. But then, that's all in the future, and he isn't so concerned about the future -- he just wants to sleep well at night now, never worrying about how the way he lives might screw up the world for his children and his children's children.
Even if he exists, can and will do all that, don't you think God would be pissed off at having to clean up your disgusting mess? I would. And please define exactly how one can be a "good steward" and still cause significant environmental damage. Are you effectively saying that God told us to be good stewards, but we have no real power so it actually doesn't make any difference whether we are or not? What a pointless commandment.
So we should be "good stewards" of the planet, but that doesn't mean we have to actually do anything to clean up the mess we've made of it and prevent it from getting worse? Then what exactly DOES it mean?
Bloody stupid fundies! You're exactly right, whitewater; this is precisely the sort of attitude that poses the greatest danger to humanity in general. It's not called "fatalism" for nothing!
~David D.G.
"We do need to be good stewards"
"As magnificent as this world is, it is temporary and will pass away"
These two statements are contradictory. Fix this now.
“I actually think it is rather arrogant to believe we could actually change the global climate of this earth we have been given..”
So, my entire life, Bleevers have been telling me how perfect the Earth is for human life.
JUST the right distance from the sun (sometimes they claim an inch closer or further away would doom us all), perfect amount of Salt in the oceans, perfect air pressure, and so on. Just gnat’s ass tolerances and clear sign of perfect design.
So, we’ve been dumping trash in that perfect system for our entire existence, and by small incremental accumulation, we’ve knocked holes in the envelope. It’s no longer perfect.
And now this joker insists that the world is just to be to be affected. Wide tolerances for our shitty attitudes and behaviors.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
Confused?
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