Quote# 141926

Honestly if anyone says this I automatically know they either haven't read genesis or are bold faced lying. The bible says plants were made the day before the sun and birds were made before land animals, and that the earth is older than all of the stars. No evolutionist I know has ever made any of those claims. It is always that the order is sun>earth>plants>ocean animals>land animals> birds

The bible says the order is earth>plants>sun>ocean animals=birds>land animals.

From a standpoint of literal ages it just doesn't make sense, so the next thing is to allegorize it or to say it is picked up from folklore in the area. Of course you don't have to perform the mental gymnastics if you take God's word at face value

Salluz, Rapture Forums 18 Comments [1/10/2019 10:05:39 AM]
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Malingspann

Of course you don't have to confuse the issue with facts if you take God's word at face value

1/10/2019 10:20:02 AM

SomeApe

LOL, you idiot. There are two creation accounts in the bible and they don‘t even say the same thing even though they are right next to each other.

1/10/2019 11:46:21 AM

Kanna

Of course you don't have to exercise any little grey cells at all if you take god's word at face value.

1/10/2019 12:08:29 PM

Anon-e-moose

Two versions of Genesis.

When even your 'God' couldn't get it right first time, that's the 'Truth' part of your BuyBull proven to be LIES.

Which reduces it to pure fairytales.

1/10/2019 2:02:24 PM

Swede

Read Genesis chapter 1 or Genesis chapter 2? They have different orders, ya know...

The Bible is stupid, then.
"Evolutionists", i.e. people with a post-fifth-grade education, have never made claims that stupid, no.
The Bible orderS just doesn't make sense, no.
If you just shut down your brain and take the Bible at "face value", you don't have to perform any mental gymnastics (a.k.a. "thinking"), no.

1/10/2019 3:11:41 PM

Titania

Actually, to believe that, you would have to do enough mental gymnastics to give Nadia Comaneci a run for her money. Or else just switch off upstairs and have FAITH.


1/10/2019 5:54:52 PM

SpukiKitty

From a standpoint of literal ages it just doesn't make sense, so the next thing is to allegorize it or to say it is picked up from folklore in the area....


BINGO! STOP RIGHT THERE!

Also; YOUR FAITH IS STILL VALID EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MYTH OR ALLEGORY, DUMMY! IT'S THE MESSAGE THAT'S THE POINT AND NOT WHENEVER IT'S 100% ACCURATE HISTORY OR NOT!

WHY....IS THAT....SO HARD....TO....FATHOM?!!!

1/10/2019 6:54:52 PM



"Of course you don't have to perform the mental gymnastics if you take God's word at face value"

Unless you try to understand how plants can live without sunlight.

1/11/2019 6:22:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

Of course you don't have to perform the mental gymnastics


You just did.

1/11/2019 8:04:19 AM

Doubting Thomas

@SpukiKitty

Also; YOUR FAITH IS STILL VALID EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MYTH OR ALLEGORY, DUMMY! IT'S THE MESSAGE THAT'S THE POINT AND NOT WHENEVER IT'S 100% ACCURATE HISTORY OR NOT!

WHY....IS THAT....SO HARD....TO....FATHOM?!!!


They don't believe that, though. They have to believe in a literal Genesis account, because if Adam & Eve didn't disobey God then there's no need for salvation, therefore no need for a savior, and no need for Christianity.

@#2178724


"Of course you don't have to perform the mental gymnastics if you take God's word at face value"

Unless you try to understand how plants can live without sunlight.


Or how God made day and night three days before he made the sun.

1/11/2019 8:07:18 AM

Dr. Razark

"The bible says..."

But you have not yet shown that there is any reason to give a fuck what the bible says about anything.



@#2178724
"Unless you try to understand how plants can live without sunlight."

That's a bad argument. Plants can survive a single day without sunlight.

Further, it's within the framework of a story where a magic man magics the world into being, then magics plants, animals, stars, the sun and moon, and humans into being, magics up some magic fruit and a magic snake in a magic garden, and goes on to magically flood the earth and kill everyone except one family, then magics around until he becomes his own son to save everyone from his magic.

And you think the plants are the problem?

1/11/2019 8:14:14 AM



Dr Razark

"And you think the plants are the problem? "

Yes, because he specifically mentioned that plants existed before the sun
but not those other things.

The whole chapter is one big orgy of alakazam but he is only discussing a small part of it.

1/11/2019 8:44:19 AM

creativerealms

Plants before sun? All the evidence in science shows that plants couldn't survive without the sun. Really that is a red flag that the bible isn't a scientific text.

1/11/2019 8:46:06 AM

Dr. Razark

@#2178751
"Yes, because he specifically mentioned that plants existed before the sun
but not those other things."

He's discussing a small part of the story. Just because he doesn't mention the rest of the story doesn't mean the context does not exist.

But, taking this as just the part he mentions:
Magic man magics plants into being and then magics the sun the next day. The plants can still survive one day (or billions of years, if magic man magics it to be so). The plants are not the problem with the story.

1/11/2019 9:19:29 AM

SpukiKitty

@Doubting Thomas

Well; My answer to that is that Genesis was about how humanity evolved, somehow realized the concepts of "right and wrong" but was prone to doing wrong.

That said; Though I'm a NeoPagan, I'm also a universalist in my outlook.

1/11/2019 10:17:09 AM

Quasirodent

Quote is taken somewhat out of context - the discussion is about what the bible says and what a character in a TV show was speculating about what it says. Not that the bolded sentence isn't good n' fundie anyways.

1/11/2019 5:22:07 PM

Skide

No, I suppose you don't, you still have to live in the same realitee as the rest of us though, so yeah...

1/12/2019 7:21:52 PM

Thanos6

@SpukiKitty:

YOUR FAITH IS STILL VALID EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MYTH OR ALLEGORY, DUMMY! IT'S THE MESSAGE THAT'S THE POINT AND NOT WHENEVER IT'S 100% ACCURATE HISTORY OR NOT!


I don't think I can agree. If what was being presented to me was supposed to be the message of an omnipotent, omniscient being who created all existence, I would have to insist on 100% accuracy.

1/12/2019 7:42:12 PM

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