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Cardinal Alfonso Llopez Trujillo announced Tuesday that the Colombian Catholic Church has excommunicated all persons involved in obtaining an abortion for an 11-year-old girl, who became pregnant after she was raped.[...]
Archishop Luis Augusto Castro, president of the Bishops’ Conference of Colombia, spoke out against the Court’s decision to accept abortion in difficult cases involving rape or incest, saying “The child is innocent—the criminal should be punished and put in jail for a long time, but the child should not have to pay for the sins of another. He is an innocent baby.”
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Okay, I'm going to implant a large, obtrussive device in your abdomen. If it is removed prematurely, it will kill someone you don't know. This device will make your life hell. After the nine month period, you will be required to take care of this device for years to come.
Sound fair?
“The child is innocent
the criminal should be punished and put in jail for a long time, but the child should not have to pay for the sins of another."
I completly agree.
"He is an innocent baby."
You where talking about the unborn, I thought you where talking about the poor girl that was raped.
There are no words for how pissed this makes me.
Forget the "innocent child" who was raped, our only concern now is that her pre-teen body and mind be forced through a more-than-likely unhealthy and traumatizing pregnancy which she must suffer through no fault of her own. Our only concern now is her fetus.
SDFHISDYF&TDFGSIDUFG&(STFYAWP*GF.
So you know it was going to be a HE?
It's not bad enough that an 11 year old is raped, you think she should risk her life to double in size and give birth to a rapist's baby? Nice. I'm sure she'll be a well-adjusted, 11 year old mother.
Feel good that you were excommunicated from that group of short-sided idiots. The stories that I usually see involving Cardinals would lead me to believe that there is a good chance Alfonso Llopez Trujillo was the sperm donar.
How many eleven-year-olds can safely deliver what could very well be a full, normal-size baby? Apparently she's well through puberty, but I'd have to think this would count as a (physical as well as mental) health-of-the-mother exception.
As the sane judges appear to have concluded as well.
On the other hand I'm glad they now apparently find the idea that believers' sins have been washed away by a ritual sacrifice of an innocent child of God appalling and also have abandoned the concept of original sin.
Huh? What do you mean the same reasoning doesn't apply to those cases? Why? ... Because it just doesn't?! What kind of argument is that? ... What's a matter of faith and why would this be one? ... You say the world is mysterious and nobody understands it completely? What does that have to do with this? ... Some things must just be accepted? Oh, come on! ... Why are you running away with your hands on your ears while cursing me?
Way to fly that misogynist flag there, psycho. What type of monster can say that an ELEVEN YEAR OLD CHILD shuld be forced to bare a child for a rapist, and still be able to sleep at night.
Did you excummicate the rapist, you sick fuck? Or is raping a child a lesser crime?
Disgusting. Revolting. Evil. These words too weak to describe what I feel.
David D.G. -- Absolutely.
Yeah, forcing an 11 y/o to have her rapist's baby, that'll be good for everyone. Jeez! This guy's so out of touch he doesn't even know the gender of a girl. Why should he be in charge of anything more important than a half a glass of tepid water?
Noself: There already are theological justifications, it's just that the Religious Reich chooses to ignore them.
For starters, babies weren't counted in the OT until they were two months old. Also, one traditional test for adultery involved taking an herb that precipitated an abortion.
I'm pro-life, but in cases like this, common sense would tell you to abort. First, the girl is not at fault for the rape. Why does she have to suffer and spend the rest if her childhood as a mother if it wasn't even her choice? Second, the fetus isn't technically a "baby" until it grows a brain and a beating heart. I don't support abortion for no reason, but to make a kid suffer for something she didn't do, and to make her spend her childhood nurturing a baby, AND to put her life at risk by making her have a baby at a premature size and age, ALL for the sake of a few cells who haven't even become self aware, is the most evil thing in the world. I don't think God himself would approve of this.
An 11-year-old girl is raped (by her father, if I remember the original story properly) and becomes pregnant. What should a moral "pro-life" person do?
Option 1: Allow the girl to have an abortion. Possibly even pay for it.
Pros: It's over, and simple.
Cons: The girl still has to recover from the psychological effects of the rape.
Option 2: Prevent the girl from getting an abortion.
Pros: He gets to put a woman "in her place" and celebrate the triumph of his misogynistic asshat ways over justice.
Paper clip: Shouldn't you mention some pros for the girl ?
Maronan: AAARG! Stupid Microsoft paper clip. Anyway, he's right, though.
Pros: Maybe you can think of some. I sure can't.
Cons: The girl, who is already suffering from the psychological effects of being raped now has to endure a pregnancy she is not physiologically ready for. This pregnancy will cause serious health risks, and may kill her. If she survives, she will have to go through a c-section, since natural birth is likely impossible, given her age. Aside from the serious health problems and complications, this will magnify the psychological effects of the rape by preventing her from forgetting the event. After her c-section, you get a new baby an inbred baby, who was likely born prematurely, and was carried by an underage mother. Such a baby will likely have deformities, be mentally retarded, or suffer from some form of mental illness. Assuming that the baby can survive, (s)he will grow up without family in an orphanage (and I doubt that Colombian orphanages are nice places), or will put a drain on his/her grandparents' resources, or will consume the life of the unwilling mother; if she has to care for the baby, she won't be able to go to school, and will spend her life uneducated, caring for a baby but barely able to feed herself.
Naturally, the Church wanted to go with Option 2.
If the Church gets its way next time, maybe the girl will be lucky; maybe she'll miscarry. I'd guess that miscarriage is far more common in such young women.
If she did miscarry, would the Church praise God for providing an abortion?
I also like how the criminal should be punished only by being put in jail for a long time. In my version of a perfect world, the rapist would have his genitalia ripped off by an angry badger. But I have a feeling this cardinal, like most misogynists, would declare that contrary to God's will.
This is a made up story. It did not happen.
Link
"A Roman Catholic cardinal has denied reports that he said the Vatican would excommunicate doctors who performed Colombia's first legal abortion on an 11-year-old girl allegedly raped by her stepfather.
"I have not said that, nor has the Holy See, nor have I thought it," said Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, president of the Vatican's pontifical council for the family, on Caracol Radio on Wednesday.
RCN television, which broadcast the original report, did not immediately say if it stood by its story. In May Colombia legalised abortion in specific circumstances, including rape."
so she's having a male baby. frankly, I figured from the begining they meant the fetus, why should they care about the girl who has been raped terrorized and now (they think)should be forced to have a baby?
I have to say, the emphasis is kind of uncalled for. There's nothing in the quote to indicate that the situation would have been different had the child been female, and using male pronouns when gender is unknown is a common practice and not especially fundie. Antiquated, but not fundie.
Confused?
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