If the placebo effect can cure a person why cant it make a person ill.
I am not a strong fan of modern medical science.
Not at all?
To me it feels that you get to the hospital inorder for the doctor to force one's deseases upon the patint.
So while most argue that a person goes to the hospital becuase he is ill and wants to be cured.
I argue that a person goes to the hospital becaues he believes he is ill and then through a placebo effect becomes ill because of the doctors assumptions of what deasease the symthoms might fill up to.
When a persos fills diffrent symthoms of something. A placebo effect is caused for the patint, that causes the patient to become ill. But not until the doctor starts trating the preassumed illness.
This is marly hypothitical.
Open for debate.
lets take it once more:
If the placebo effect can cure a person, why cant it make a person ill?
Why do you get ill?
I prefer the healing power of Jesus.
All that is required is some faith
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I think Lindstrom is flatlining. Get me the paddles, lets get ready to shock him!
But he isn't a fan of medicine.
Well, fuck him then. Call it.
"I prefer the healing power of Jesus.
All that is required is some faith"
It would help if it actually worked too, but I guess you don't care about results.
Well, aside from your horrible spelling, you are not thinking clearly.
Ever think that God cures people through medicine? that doctor's do Jesus' work? You do know that the Apostle Luke was a doctor...
I am reminded of a joke.
"This guy is caught in the Katrina flood. He sits on his roof and prays for Jesus to save him.
A guy in a canoe comes by and offers to rescue him. He declines, saying Jesus will save him, and goes back to praying.
Then a helicopter comes by and offers to rescue him. He declines again, saying Jesus will save him.
Then a group of fireman in a patrol boat show up. Same result.
he guy finally dies of exposure and thirst and goes up to Heaven.
"Why didn't yoou save me?" he cries to Jesus. "I prayed and prayed and prayed and yoou never did anything!"
Jesus replies, "What do you want from me? I sent you a canoe, and a helicopter, and a patrol boat..."
future winner of a Darwin Award, I'm sure.
And, for the record, last time I was in the hospital it was because I'd just fallen ten feet right onto my arse. You're telling me I imagined that pain?
Most doctors are overworked, and while I'm sure there's the odd slimeball that will tell you you're sicker than you are in order to swindle you, most just want to treat you as quickly as possible so they can go the hell home.
The point of a placebo is to give one a sugar pill and tell them it's a real pharmacutical drug in order to measure the effects of the real pill. People wouldn't get sick from a placebo.
If the placebo effect can cure a person why cant it make a person ill.
It can. Have you ever heard of hypochondria?
The rest of your post is pure insanity and will not be addressed any further by me.
Okay, I have to admit that I do think that all of the drug commercials that get broadcast might convince a few people that they have something they don't, or that they're sicker than they are. It's true, too, that some people are hypochondriacs, or are looking for attention.
But doctors do not generally force illness on patients. Most people who go to the hospital have a legitimate reason to be there, even if it's just to get checked out. Claiming that all anybody needs to do is believe in Jesus is idiotic. Belief in Jesus isn't going to cure someone's cancer, and it isn't going to repair a fractured spine. Believing in Jesus might bring someone comfort, but dismissing modern medicine as unneccessary is stupid and dangerous. Pray all you want. But let sensible people seek treatment that actually works.
Guess what, Lindstrom, if not for medical science I would have died as a kid, neerly twenty years ago, when pneumonia and peritonitis were competing to see which one could kill me first (peritonitis was leading).
For more recent benefits I get from medecine, anti-depressants did wonders for my OCD, and while my slipped disk is far from completely healed, at least now I can lead my life without being constantly crippled by pain.
So pray Jeebus if you want, I prefer to pray to Saint Paracetamol and the Holy Paroxetine.
I prefer the healing power of Jesus. All that is required is some faith
No, common sense and an attempt to help yourself is required:
Luke 4:9 And he [the devil] brought him [Jesus] to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (see also Deuteronomy 6:16)
If this Theory of Nocebos is correct, then only people who understand the concepts of medicine and disease should get sick. Babies and children who don't understand infectious disease can't be "thinking" their way into having one by the power of suggestion. Or if a baby dies of congenital syphilis, is it just their damn fault for trusting in medicine over faith? And I guess that means that in the days before we understood microbes and disease transmission that there was no such thing as a plague, especially if it could be transmitted between people without physical contact. Someone dig up the body of John Snow and tell him he was all wrong about cholera. And pry the Leeuwenhoek medal out of Louis Pasteur's cold, dead hands.
Pure, fucking insanity.
This guy is hopefully dead from a disease, and not spreading his opinion.
Or, he's in a mental hospital somewhere, refusing to admit that he's actually completely fucking insane.
Wow, just wow. I have heard them come up with some stupid shit to say but actually stating that all disease is just a case of mind over matter is a new level of crazy. I guess all those Christians were just not True Christians (TM) during the Black Death or all those other diseases that effected Christians ever. Stupid me, I guess.
Well, somebody obviously fed you the placebo for illiteracy. That was really dreadful spelling. I really, really hope English is not your first, second or third language. As you might have guessed from my username, English is not my first, but my second language. I don't want to boast, but I have a better grasp of American English grammar and spelling than quite a few Americans*. How come you haven't even managed to use a spell-checker correctly? Grammar and spelling require a lot more than just faith, ya know.
*Edit. That was the wine talking, sorry. It IS easier to grasp the grammar of a language you learn in school, than the language you are taught as a small kid, because as a kid you just learn "this is the way it is" not "this is following that grammatical rule".
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