Actuallly you should keep your evolution out of our science.
Science is fact and it was started by christians. Christians were well involved with science in its early stages.
Evolution is a guess or a reason to deny God.
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It's true, Christians were well involved with science in its early stages. Particularly by suppressing it and burning books.
Looks like things haven't changed much.
yeah right! Get off the Christians invented science shit Fundies. It's a total lie! The Greeks' science predates your religion, All current religions!
And there was science, architecture, mapping the stars and planets! It all predates Judeism which predated your blood sacrifice religion.
The only Christians that dabbled in it were Catholics and their conclusions are mostly wrong due to "must fit Bible"
Science is actually pre-christian. I might also refer you to a thing called the Enlightenment, which happended DESPITE the church.
Funny how scientists have been shucking off religion the more we learn about the natural universe, eh?
And without Hippocrates's medical oath, the majority of us might still be subjected to xian witchdoctoring. He was a pagan.
Your science, Freak? Religious groups have often done their best to eliminate science in favor of faith. True, many Christian do science and believe in science, but not the freaky kind of Christians.
The ToE is not a guess, it's a scientific theory, but you're right, it IS one of the many good reasons to be an atheist.
You started it, but it was all fucked up, so we were all "secular science, bitch!"
And you were all "meh!! But.. But.. But the bible says we're the center of the universe and I'm super-important!! MEH!!"
And we were all "WRONG!"
And after that the only Christianity involved in science was in Dan Brown novels, and the Christian scientists took science pretty secularly.
"Science is fact and it was started by christians. Christians were well involved with science in its early stages."
Math uses Arabic numerals, created by Arabs. In light of your argument, I suggest you go back to using Roman numerals.
Well, he's right in the sense that Johannes Kepler and Sir Isaac Newton were both devout Christians.
But they were a unique breed of Christians who were willing to throw out their pet theories if they disagreed with reality. You fundies, by contrast, would rather throw out reality.
Yes, of course, if by "started" you mean "taken from the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, and Chinese."
Science was started by the first cavemen who rubbed two sticks together, who figured out that you could use stone to cut, who figured out how to move objects by sticking logs under them. In other words, science has always been with us.
Yes Christians were involved. Brave Christians who were willing to risk death, excommunication and eternal hellfire because their truths went against the teachings of the church.
Brave men one and all.
@ Osiris
Why do I see another big black hole coming up on that chart again.... :(
Yes, the Greeks used science to dicover the size of the Earth, the Chinese had the compass, most of modern mathematics is Greek and Arab, and the Arabs gave us the concept of zero and much of what we know about astronomy and navigation. Altitude, azimuth, and zenith, essentials in celetial navigation, are Arabic words.
Science has been around a lot longer than christians. How could christians start something when they didn't even exist?
Why don't you keep your religion out of science; it will all make a lot more sense when you do.
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Here's is a Chinese crossbow, evidence of which has been found near Chin Shih Huang Di's tomb, 2250 years old.
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Astronomy. Both Eygpt and China have been doing it since 2000BC at least.
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A beautiful feat of construction created by the very people you antagonise in Exodus.
Actuallly you should keep your evolution out of our science.
"You got your evolution in my science!"
"You got your science in my evolution!"
:P
I've heard that science was re-imported to Europe when Galileo was inspired to CHECK HIS GODDAMNED PREDICTIONS by stories of how the Muslims would "experiment" and "test their predictions".
I take this with a grain of salt, but it's a neat sort of a thing to mention as it will put just about anyone who'd dare say the kind of ignorant crap that Jesus Freak is uttering into a fit for one reason or another.
This sounds like the theme of a Terminator-like movie:
We created it, but it turned against us, and eventually destroyed us through it's cold calculations and logic, requirements for proof, and it's reasoning! Our faith could never stand up to logic, and we found ourselves laying in a pools of our own self deceit trying to deny what was so blatant and abundantly clear - there was no god...
I'd go see it.
Until someone provides a better answer to evolution, evolution will stay. No, creationism doesn't count.
From wiki:
'In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation.'
Creationism has no testable models, our 'creator' does not interact with any testable phenomena, and it is far from able of being testing or verified through observation. No, the argument 'everything has order! there must be a creator' is not valid for the simple reason that one could also say 'everything is disorderly! There must not be a creator!'
Science is fact and it was started by christians. Christians were well involved with science in its early stages.
Christians are still well involved with science. It's just that they don't stupidly deny evolution like you do.
"Christians were well involved with science in its early stages."
Surely Mr Freak meant "Christians were well involved with repressing science in its early stages." That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
I disagree with his first three statements (in particular, the last two are demonstrably false). However, there is a tiny bit of truth to the statement that "[e]volution is a guess or a reason to deny God." Of course, that's not what evolution is, but I think that for many, despite their protestations, evolution does really serve as means for "legitimate" rejection of theistic belief. However, there really is no incompatibility between the ToE and the existence of god(s). As it turns out, the former possibility lacks substantive evidence, but still it's not logically excluded from occurrence.
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(I know, I know, creationism is as far away from science as ducks are from tractors, but it had to be said. Lolcat ftw!)
This creep should go and see the Mesopotamia exhibition at the British Museum: he'd probably call it Eye-rak.
I doubt if he has a passport, though.
Actuallly you should keep your religion out of our Jesus.
Christianity is fact and it was started by Jesuss. Christians were well involved with Jesus in its early stages.
Your religion is mental illness or a reason to deny God.
Fixed.
Actually, the Egyptians, the Chinese, the Muslims and other ancient civilizations began the whole ball of wax.
Galileo, Giordano Bruno and the Christians who in the sixteenth century brought Chinese and Muslim inventions whished that what you're saying were true(by the way, don't tell him that Edison was actually an agnostic and one of the inventors of the computer gay)
@Osiris
nice graph, and quite thought provoking.
The only thought that occurs to me is whether we would have been civilised enough to cope with the weapons technology. One "good" thing about the crawl out of the dark ages was that our philosophies started to catch up with our natural science. The age of enlightenment, while having some terrible events, did give rise to humanism and valuing of human life.
Actuallly you should keep your evolution out of our science.
Okay. Then keep your religion out of OUR science.
Science is fact and it was started by christians. Christians were well involved with science in its early stages.
Oh, they were involved all right. They made sure many discoveries never made it to light until much later, brutally persecuting those who brought forth any "radical" ideas (Such as heliocentricism.)
Evolution is a guess or a reason to deny God.
Evolution is a theory, based on biological, and geological evidence, among other things...it's well supported. Further, IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE GOD! It only tells us the path we took to get here...not who or what led us on said path. Deal with it.
Actuallly you should keep your Creationism out of our science.
Evolution is a fact and it was started by scientists. Scientists were well involved with rationality in its early stages.
Creationism is a guess or a reason to deny reality.
Fixed it.
"Christians were well involved with science in its early stages."
Right, which explains all the advances made during the Dark Ages... oh, wait.
Actually, in the middle ages, where CHRISTIAN, yes, CHRISTIAN doctors were drilling skulls open for headaches, the Arabs, ARABS, were curing people. MEDICAL Science. And when REAL Science came to Christianity, the people were persecuted.
So, yeah, you're fucked.
1- Evolution = Science
2- Science began before chistianity, many early scientists were not christians
3- Evolution is a sound theory built off facts
Christians were well involved?
Hell yes they were. In the persecution, burning, killing and stifling of scientists, science and anyone who questioned what the Christians deemed correct.
You freakin' tard.
Backwards day again?
Actually is only spelled with two l. Spell-check is your friend.
Scientific theories describe the facts. Facts are just little bits of data. Only after they are put together logically and rationally in a theory, can they be of use to further knowledge.
Yeah, those fine early scientific fields of Astrology, Alchemy, Numerology and Phrenology. Those are really of use to modern day science...
You mean Mary Baker Eddy's "Christian Science", right? Pray and everything will get better?
I don't know if Vesalius was particularly religious, but Copernicus certainly was.
Leonardo da Vinci - one of the most brilliant polymaths of all time - had to do some of his scientific experiments in strict secrecy. He had very good reason to do so, because there was the very real danger that he would have been prosecuted by the christian authorities who saw these kind of activities as "blasphemous".
Many important scientific fields had to be researched against fierce resistance of the churches who defended their monopolies in insane jealousy . To name a few: Anatomy, Cosmology, Psychology, Biology.
Weren't it for courageous researchers who investigated the human body against the strict prohibition by the churches ("the human body is taboo because it is God's own image!"), people would still suffer today under crude, medieval-level medicine.
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