Quote# 39832

*In a conversation about ERV's*

It's not deceptive, because it was never God's intention for Darwinism to exist as a scientific theory. Had the ERVs been discovered in these spots without the Darwinian paradigm, scientists would not have assumed that they denote common descent. Instead, scientists would have interpreted the data in a totally different light, and concluded that God made them that way.

huldah153, Christian Forums 29 Comments [5/24/2008 12:08:39 PM]
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Captain Janeway

I believe this quote is about Endogenous RetroViruses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus. Even if not, it is prima facie fundie & ignorant.

5/24/2008 12:20:33 PM

Darn

Euh, and I always thought that 'God' was infallible ??


5/24/2008 12:25:19 PM

Kitourahime

And sheep's bladders can be employed to prevent earthquakes.

5/24/2008 12:48:37 PM

aaa

Damn fundies messing with ERV.

5/24/2008 12:55:36 PM

pete

If all scientists were fundies there would be lots of "evidence" for God.

5/24/2008 1:27:03 PM

Canadiest

Even if evolution wasn't the answer God is not even near the default answer

5/24/2008 1:28:34 PM

Ambrielle

It wasn't just Darwin who came up with an evolutionary theory at that time. And if they hadn't, someone else would have woken up sooner or later. Maybe the discovery of ERVs would have been the figurative lightbulb in someone's head.

5/24/2008 1:56:03 PM

tmr

Well then, if god never intended the theory to exist, he kind of screwed up somewhere along the line, didn't he? Since, you know, it does exist.

Your god is a bit slow on the uptake.

5/24/2008 1:58:24 PM

John

ERVs have had creationist undies in a knot for years - they really don't have an answer for them. ERVs are caused by viral infections. Huldah seems to be suggesting that God made us with pieces of foreign virus DNA built into our genome - a variation of the old Omphalos theory.

5/24/2008 2:13:06 PM

PhoenixUltima

For some reason mentioning ERV makes me think of the FEV virus from Fallout. "Hell yes, I would have dipped him. He would've made a damn good mutie."

5/24/2008 2:22:08 PM

Dinomancer

Oh my God.

I don't believe it, how could I of been so blind?

Science and rational logic are worthless. God did it all.

It is so clear now.


-pauses to the sound of everyone's bullshit meters breaking-

5/24/2008 2:24:28 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Odd how all this stuff that god didn't intend keeps on happening. For an omnipotent creator of the universe, he sure is a pathetic little fuck-up, isn't he?

5/24/2008 3:12:27 PM

anonymous_troy

And then civilization would have simply spiralled downhill from there.

5/24/2008 4:41:53 PM

Dagger

... right.

Let me try something here:

"It's not deceptive, because it was never God's intention for gravity to exist as a scientific theory. Had the fall of objects been discovered without the Newtonian paradigm, scientists would not have assumed that they denote a force of attraction between two objects. Instead, scientists would have interpreted the data in a totally different light, and concluded that God did it."

"It's not deceptive, because it was never God's intention for modern cell theory to exist as a scientific theory. Had the cells been discovered in without the modern cell theory paradigm, scientists would not have assumed that they denote energy flow. Instead, scientists would have interpreted the data in a totally different light, and concluded that God did it."

Eh, they didn't flow quite as well as I'd thought, but you get the picture.

By the way, does anyone know how to bold letters? I can't for the life of me figure out which code to use.

5/24/2008 4:51:27 PM

Eden

Well, as in the eyes of the fundamentalists the bible, of course, is always right, everything has to be interpreted in a way, that fits to creationism.

Or to sum it up:
The bible is always right. If observations contradict the bible they are either wrong or have to be in a way that makes them fit to the bible ;)

5/24/2008 6:02:59 PM

Antichrist

If god did not want the theory of evolution to exist, couldn't he just give us evidence against it?

Seriously what is so bad about being a theist evolutionist (god started off the evolutionary process). I mean at least you don't sound like a complete retard that way.

@ Dagger
Use this [ b ] text [ / b ] only without the spaces. For italics use the same code only with an i

5/24/2008 7:08:40 PM

Old Viking

If "Creation Science" ruled ...

5/24/2008 7:18:45 PM

Pyroclasm

We have the evidence. We win.

5/24/2008 8:28:29 PM



"Instead, scientists would have [...] concluded that God made them that way."

No, they wouldn't, because that doesn't even come close to being a scientific conclusion.

5/24/2008 8:44:54 PM

Nowonmai

Waidagodsdamnedminute! "God never intended"? Your infallible, omnipotent, omniscient god 'never intended?

How the hell did that happen, and how the hell did you find out?


5/24/2008 11:28:56 PM

Mister Spak

"interpreted the data in a totally different light, and concluded that God made them that way. "

The theory of goddiddit is only a myth.

Antichrist:

The problem is the fundies get chopped up by Occams razor.
If the laws of physics are sufficient to explain evolution why do we need god?

5/25/2008 12:38:23 AM

Dagger

@ Antichrist

Thanks. So, this is just general BBC code, then?

5/25/2008 12:41:43 AM

MPW

Could've just deleted everything except the last 5 words. Would have said the same thing and been less boring.

5/25/2008 4:47:35 AM

Philbert McAdamia

because it was never God's intention for Darwinism to exist as a scientific theory.

WooHOO!! Chuck kicks god's ass! Woo Hoo - Woo Hoo!!

5/25/2008 4:57:34 AM

Brian X

Abbie Smith unavailable for comment...

In any case, as I understand the whole ERV issue, it turns out that if you know what you're looking for you'd have to have a complete failure in pattern recognition to miss how ERVs in different but related genomes line up. It's like learning Latin, then picking up a Sanskrit grammar and somehow missing how similar they are structurally.

5/25/2008 6:28:47 AM

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