"I am just now reading through the bible.
I am now in the book of Exodus.
What stood out to me today is our courts are modeled after the laws described in the book of Exodus.
Why would our world which some like to believe came to being with a bang, develop a court system right out of the bible? It's because there is no evolution."
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"The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem."
Does that happen after the defence rests its case or before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=4TAtRCJIqnk
"Why would our world which some like to believe came to being with a bang, develop a court system right out of the bible?"
Because human courts have been the same for centuries?
Christians believe date the Exodus between 1500 and 1200 BC. , although the story is probably considerably younger.
Many of those laws are found copied from Hammurabi, King of Babylon from about 1792 B.C. to 1750 B.C.
As with many stories in the bible , they are merely copies from other local cultures
"I am just now reading through the bible."
Worthless fairy tales.
And it's English Common law, imbecile.
That's quite a leap of logic there. Especially given the amount of evolution that has been observed.
Here's another possibility: people don't like it when other people steal from them or their family/friends, kill them or their family/friends, beat them/family/friends up, etc. Therefore we have laws that punish people who steal, kill, beat up, etc.
Gee, how did the Romans develop a court system? How did the Chinese end up with one? Besides, what laws are modeled after Exodus? The law against stealing a slave? The one about counterfeiting holy oil or putting it on a non-Jew? Having sex with a virgin and not marrying her? Maybe the law about paying the husband for the value of the baby if you injure the mother and cause a miscarriage?
@the old firm, ask and ye shall recieve...
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and again in measure to your call...
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Cindy?, I can call you Cindy right?, you seem to have confused basic innate human behaviour with rules handed down by a mythical god.
I realize that you do not believe this because your religion teaches that humans are beastial inherantly evil creatures. History clearly shows that the basic tenants of law were already in place long before the god of Abraham, and also of the advent of Christianity.
Why would our world which some like to believe came to being with a bang, develop a court system right out of the bible?
Because it works with or without the bible. In fact, it works rather better without, because everything's got to be backed up with sound reasoning, rather than arbitrary proclamations from some imagined higher authority. Modern law bears only a superficial resemblance to most of that old testament stuff (which was mostly based, in turn, on even older laws from other cultures) - in fact, I've been told that a lot of current western legal systems are actually based on Roman law, not Judaic.
Law doesn't come from the bible; law existed before the bible, which subsequently made derivative use of it (and didn't bother to give any references or mention preexisting ideas, instead treating it as unique, divine commands from god as if all the other tribes didn't have similar codes and regulations that any fool could copy). Any remarks about how modern law "comes from" the bible are about as fallacious as the old "hole fitting the puddle" argument.
What the hell? So the justice system of a western country shows similarities to a religion commonly practiced in the west so a scientific theory is wrong. Sure, that makes so much sense. Just out of curiosity, did you even know what logic is?
I don't see what about this is so hard to understand.
Because our courts system is like the one described in the Bible, evolution is a lie. Isn't the connection obvious?
You are just reading the bible now, and yet before getting through all of it your a fundie already.
Actully if you make it to the end you'll probably be unique among you fundie peers!!
Crap, this is _NOT_ fundie!
Sure it's RR, but this is absolutely not a fundy. How could it be a fundy if she's actually reading the book instead of worshiping it?
What does the one point have to do with the other?
Doesn't it make more sense that the Founding Fathers said, "You know, the British court system (which, co-incidentally, was based on the Biblical one) works pretty well--we'll use that!" than that the use of a Biblical court system in a primarily Christian nation would somehow disprove an unrelated scientific theory?
Evolutionary theory never says that there was no Moses. It doesn't mention the Ten Commandments one way or another. And damned if it mentions Levitical law in any way, shape, or form.
@Hadron
Yeah, but fundies do not actually read the book.
It sounds fundy, but it has to be a poe.
Either that, or a soon to be atheist. Everyone I know who has read that book is an atheist.
Just now reading through the bible? How long have you been a believer? Because if it's any longer than about three days, you have some serious problems. Also, our system is not modeled on the bible any more than it's modeled on the Qur'an or the Dhammapada.
So the courts are based on a book that says cutting your hair, eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination which makes people stupid enough to believe in scientific evidence and this all happens because there is no evolution?
Wow, are you even capable of a complete thought?
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Why would humans use the same basic rules that have evolved from the proto-humans' need for cooperation and thereby empathy, in both the Bible and in many other laws and rules both older and newer than the Bible? It's because there's definitely evolution.
You're just now reading through the Bible and you're only in the second book? Prepare to be very, very bored as you go along, and perhaps lose heart halfway through the OT. I know I did, with all the lists upon lists of just names, who's son to whom, who's father to whom.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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