Tonight I was watching an old Stallone film called Cobra that I picked up in the Walmart bargain bin for 5 bucks a year or two ago but never bothered to watch until now.
I was pretty bored by what seemed like a very dumb plot...a huge cult of psycho killers committing tons of murders yet the police thought it was just one man and had no knowledge whatsoever of this cult's existence in their own city. It was way too far-fetched to believe. Plus, it didn't even make sense what the motivations of the cultists were, as this was unexplained for most of the movie other than to say they wanted a "New World Order".
But then something very interesting happened at the end...the psycho serial killer cult leader said: "We kill the weak so that the strong survive!" and then I instantly thought of this board and darwinism and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe darwinism can and should do.
From then on I could no longer see this as just a dumb movie, but had to realize how disturbing it is that something like this could actually happen because what the character said is completely in line with the darwinist mindset, and being a darwinist is so common these days that no one would even notice for quite a while when they start getting together and acting on all their darwinist beliefs.
Which brings me to my question: darwinists, do you relate to the villain from the Stallone film Cobra?
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That is called genocide, not natural selection.
'Abrahamist', that is exactly what your god demands... kill the weak, the infirm, the deformed, Philistines, etc etc etc...
To answer the question, no. If you actually understood evolution (not "Darwinism") you'd know that.
You don't know that "darwinist mindset," all you know is the lies that creationists tell about their opponents.
If "Darwinism" means that people should "kill the weak so that the strong survive", then logically "Newtonism" means that you should shoot down all airplanes because they go against the laws of gravity.
In other words, drawing moral conclusions from scientific texts makes no more sense than drawing scientific conclusions from moral texts. (Oh wait, you do that too...)
> and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe darwinism can and should do.
So anyone who doesn't like the hateful and hypocritical parts of your religious worldview must automatically believe that the weak have to be killed in favour of the strong? Look around you. The reason we've managed to build a global civilisation is because we are at heart social animals; the Theory of Evolution helps us to understand those origins. Our intelligence, empathy and communication skills developed because of our social nature, enabling us to find ways to work together to make life better for all of us. That requires tolerance and forethought, recognising that it won't always be a smooth path and that it's better to find ways to resolve our differences and live alongside each other than to start shooting each other at the slightest provocation. You may be able to think of a semi-historical figure important to you in your own life who is said to have encouraged that.
Survival of the most adaptable, not strongest. Idiot! Sometimes it's the tiniest that survive, sometimes it pays off to play dead, sometimes the one with the most beautiful birdsong survives.
What you are talking about is the law of the djungle. The weak and sick ones in a herd is weeded out by predators, so that the healthier ones can get more of the limited water and food.
And, you actually listen to the ramblings of a psycho serial killer and cult leader, in a movie? And you expect meaning and reason from a Stallone movie for 5 bucks?
No, that's social darwinism, which unscientific bullshit.
Survival of fittest means only this: a creature more suited to its environment is more likely to survive.
One of the less well known Stallone films went over your head, and that says something. I'd suggest that you stick with Saturday-morning cartoons, but they all promote Satanism, homosexuality, or both, don't they?
What are all these "darwinist beliefs?" That things adapt to their envirnoment so that they are able to survive?
I will admit I have never read The Origin of Species cover to cover. But I have read some of it and I don't remember Darwin saying that we should kill the weak so the strong can survive.
"We kill the weak so that the strong survive!" and then I instantly thought of this board and darwinism and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe darwinism can and should do.
Which proves that you know not too much about evolution.
It is not survival of the strongest but survival of the fittest.
And someone "weak" but with a genetic disposition that gives him a resistance against a disease that is going to emerge in the near or far future might be much fitter than someone who appears to be "strong" ;)
Tonight I was watching a movie called Silent Hill. I was pretty bored by what seemed like a very dumb plot...a woman searching for her daughter in a ghost town filled with psycho fundies while hallucinating about grotesque monsters. Plus, it didn't even make sense what the motivations of the fundies were, as they were randomly burning small children who they imagined were witches or something.
But then something very interesting occurred to me while watching the psycho serial killer cult leader crying out for god to help her while she was being raped to death by barbed wire. I instantly thought of all the fundies on the internet and Christianity and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe Christians can and should do.
From then on I could no longer see this as just a dumb movie, but had to realize how disturbing it is that something like this could actually happen because what the character did is completely in line with the Christian mindset, and being a Christian is so common these days that no one would even notice for quite a while when they start getting together and acting on all their Christian beliefs.
Which brings me to my question: Christians, do you relate to the villain from Silent Hill?
[But then something very interesting happened at the end...the psycho serial killer cult leader said: "We kill the weak so that the strong survive!" and then I instantly thought of this board and darwinism and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe darwinism can and should do.]
Errrrrrrrrrrt. Wrong. Evolutionists don't believe in killing others because of how they believe adaptation in nature works. I think you got that philosophy confused with Hitler's.
Oh, and by the way, his beliefs weren't exclusively atheist.
[ "We kill the weak so that the strong survive!" and then I instantly thought of this board and darwinism and how that character was pretty much doing exactly what you all believe darwinism can and should do. ]
Darwinism isn't real.
And wasn't it your god who told his followers to kill anyone who disobeys him?
[Which brings me to my question: darwinists, do you relate to the villain from the Stallone film Cobra? ]
I don't. But I think your god probably does.
Mister Spak wrote:
"Go watch the movie Surf II
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088207/
then come back and tell us what the hidden meaning is."
That nerds are evil, and that therefore all hazing and bullying are 100% warranted.
Which seems to be the basic message of the Old Testament, as well.
A few points:
1) You do realize that "Cobra" WASN'T a documentary, right?
2) Natural selection and artificial selection are two VERY different concepts.
[Which brings me to my question: darwinists, do you relate to the villain from the Stallone film Cobra?]
Sometimes. When I deal with a lot of fundies.
Do you relate to the guy from Sling Blade?
I don't know why they don't get that 'Survival of the Fittists' refers to the default scenario. Without something to counteract upon it (Family, Civilization, Welfare, Tribal protection) it's how it happens. It's not a belief, it's an observable fact.
Remember that time you stopped someone for hitting a defenseless animal, Protected your sibling or helped a guy in a wheelchair get over that obstacle? Atheists do that stuff too.
And Atheists aren't Darwinists and people that think his theories valid aren't either, not a religion. If it is why aren't you a Godist or Jesusist?
Not to mention, survival of the fittest fits the villian as he considers himself the fittest.
As Christians do, and that's why they're potrayed as villians many times throughout movie history
"We kill the weak so that the strong survive!"
That's animal breeding, not natural selection. Evolution describes what does happen. It doesn't tell us what should happen. Just because the theory of gravity says you'll be killed if you jump off a cliff doesn't mean Newton wanted you to jump off a cliff.
"Just because the theory of gravity says you'll be killed if you jump off a cliff doesn't mean Newton wanted you to jump off a cliff."
Shhhhh. If he wants to jump off a cliff, let him.
One last time....
Social 'Darwinism' (that thing your pastor lies to you about) is not only <b> not </b> a religion and not the belief of the majority of people who see evolution by means of natural selection as the method by which the diversity of life on this planet has come about but it is also counter to the development of humans, as humans have developed as a social animal and so the 'strength' that served us so well was partially at least, to be in diverse groups allowing a mixture of talents and attributes to work together for a greater good. Hence evolution has brought about social moralities such as murder=bad etc. Now be quiet and stop calling me evil because I failed to be convinced by the state religion that tried so so sooooo hard to indoctrinate me in primary school...
Sorry to rant, but sometimes I just need to vent...
I'm sorry but did something about the word natural in natural selection confuse you? Was it the part where natural selection means that the villains' artificial process of selecting who dies was the complete opposite of it happening naturally .
You know how like natural is usually the antonym of artificial?
Moron.
Okay, I'll play ...
You *did* notice, however, that the Stallone's character successfully killed the villain of the piece? What was his line? Oh, yeah ...
"You're a disease. I'm the cure."
Thus, the philosophy of the villain (which, BTW, is NOT "darwinism," it's "social darwinism" which was developed by rich people to explain why they were rich and the people they worked to death in unsafe conditions for pennies a day were not) is obviously false, by the villain's own standards.
So, as someone who *understands* how evolution works, and who has actually read The Origin of Species, I do *not* relate to the villain from Cobra. I relate to the hero who kicked the villain's ass, just like Jesus kicked Satan's ass back into Hell (note how the villain died in the "fiery furnace").
See? I can do bullshit, too! :)
that has nothing to do with Evolution, or Natural Selection. See, the key word in Natural selection is "Natural." If something is unfit to survive, it will not. It doesn't mean that we have carte blanche to kill anyone we deem "weaker" than ourselves. That falls under a couple other categories. "Murder" and "Genocide."
pete said: Who are these "Darwinists" of which you speak? They must come from a far land because I've never met one.
Well, worshipping Darwin may not be so bizarre after all.
At least he existed.
Since we are now discussing Rutger Hauer acting roles & evolution, for some unknown reason, I would argue that Roy Batty is perhaps more pro evolutionist in Blade Runner than Cobra...
Remember.. "Morphology, Longevity, Incept Dates..."
Alright, I'll try to keep this short...
Two basic problems here:
1.) It's a fucking movie!
2.) Athiests have NEVER, EVER started war or mass-killings.
Thank you for being a dumbass.
yes, we all aspire to be movie villains.
Explain to me how, say, a population of wild ducks "kill the weak so that the strong survive" at all, much less on ideological grounds. You dumb fuck.
First off, Cobra sucked.
Second, it wasn't anti-evolution, it was anti-due process, and ham-fisted at that. All criminals are portrayed as murderous psychopaths who kill for the sake of killing, the cops who oppose the shoot-first-and-never-ask-questions approach are all nebbish cowards, and of course, Stallone's jackbooted thug of a cop is totally correct in his brutal violence against everyone he dislikes. The whole movie is nothing but a love letter to fascism.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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