You know something I learned? I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world. Every other religion surpresses women. Look at the Muslims. I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote! There is so much freedom for the woman in the bible than there are in other religions. Check it out!
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1. Islam != "ANY other religion in the world."
2. To which country do you refer, since America was not founded on the "Word of God"?
3. Why are you telling this to the general public, a group that plainly includes men? The Bible gives you the freedom to be silent and submissive and not to teach or usurp authority over men.
Let's see:
"Women, obey your husbands."
"She shall be saved through childbearing."
"Through women, sin was brought into the world."
"Women must remain silent in church."
Yeah, that's really fucking egalitarian right there.
My religion, at least, doesn't imply that the Divine is solely male. So which sounds more egalitarian to you, GEL?
"You know something I learned?"
A fundie actually learned something? Alert the presses!
"I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world. Every other religion surpresses women."
Like Wicca?
"Look at the Muslims."
A religion even more fucked up than christianity, so?
"I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!"
It wasn't founded on the word of God, and if it was we wouldn't be voting.
"There is so much freedom for the woman in the bible than there are in other religions. Check it out!"
Then why do we keep hearing about "wives submitting"?
Just keep telling yourself this, if it's what helps you get up and face your pointless life every morning.
It seems that Islam is the only other religion you're aware of. What a limited existence you must have.
I'm pretty sure that Islam is the only religion that is less friendly to women than Christianity.
You know something I learned? I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world.
Let's assume, for the sake of discussion, that your highly suspect assertion is true, and that the Christian religion treats women better than all the others (for brevity, we'll forego determining which particular, unspecified version of Christianity you happen to be thinking of). Now compare it to the relative freedom and equality of women living in a society uninfluenced by any religion at all.
"I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote! "
If Christian women have more freedoms than in "other" religions, then why didn't women have the right to vote in the U.S. from the start? .
"I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!"
I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!
1) If that were truly the case, then women would have had the right to vote from the beginning of the USA.
2) Women's vote is a "liberal concept." As such, your Christian men (and Ann Coulter) rail against it constantly.
There is so much freedom for the woman in the bible than there are in other religions.
Yeah, but no religion whatsoever offers even more freedom... for both men and women!
The original inhabitants would like a word with you about that!
I believe women (and gays!) were respected by the people of the Nations, rather more so than the Christianists do their womenfolk!
That's very nice. Now get the fuck back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
Honestly, more freedom than any other religion? When the bible says that when a woman gets married she leaves the authority of her father for the authority of her husband? Most fundies think that a woman should not work outside the home, but should be nothing more than a servant & baby factory. And it's always the Christians who are against women's reproductive rights.
And to this day women are still not allowed to be Catholic priests. Oh yeah, I forgot, they're not real Christians.
"I believe that if this country was founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!"
fixed that for ya.
You DO know that anti-suffrage forces used the same bible to claim women should NOT have the right to vote don't you?......But thats what turns me on about you....your attention to detail.....
Some off the top of my head that treat women better than Christians:
Buddhism
And that's just off the top of my head at 12:30am
EDIT: Maybe Hindu as well?
Let's see... Bible bible... Woman rights...
Also...
I'm pretty damn sure that means that if a woman had the right to vote, she pretty much would have to vote as her husband tells her. That's NOT recognition for a woman's freedom.
Heh. Which is why my sister's church was upset they were sent a woman pastor and my parent's church will never have that or female deacons. That's why there are women all into this "helpmeet" thing, and quiverfull. Why there are people out there advocating that women should give up their careers because they're supposed to be at home taking care of their husband's house and children. Shall I continue?
And women didn't have the right to vote until they fought for it. If the country WAS founded on the Bible, and that means what you think it means, women should've been able to vote from the very beginning.
Try harder to learn something true.
"You know something I learned? I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world."
You're aware that various religions throughout time have worshiped goddesses and that it was priestesses who were running things, right?
"Every other religion surpresses women."
I'm not very well versed in paganism/neopaganism but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case with them.
"Look at the Muslims."
Look at Christians.
Read your Wholly Babble. Particularly the part that says women aren't allowed to teach men. Anything. Ever.
"I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!"
Which is why they couldn't (except in certain areas under certain conditions) until 1920, right?
"There is so much freedom for the woman in the bible than there are in other religions. Check it out!"
I have. I suggest you take your own advice.
Women have constantly had to overcome religious oppressionin every society to acquire rights.
GreenEyedLady you really don't want to rehash Christianity's history with women,do you?
Fundies of ALL stripes view women as slaves and/or baby machines. Wait! RaptureRetards aren't fundies....at least that's what they say, right? Oh, no! They ARE fundies....that's what makes them RaptureRetards!
The women's suffrage movement, having occurred a good deal before Raygun and Fallwell started their own personal dark age, was a very secular movement. In fact, the "good Christians" of the day were among the most vocal opponents. Something about messing with "a woman's place" as established in the Buybull.
I am forced to conclude that GreenEyedLady is a moron who revels in her ignorance, or a liar, or both.
Let's take a look at some claims:
1. Women have freedom in Christ[ianity].
You claim this.
2. America is a Christian nation.
This has of course been thoroughly debunked over 9,000 times on this website alone, but you seem to imply that you believe it, so let's pretend it's true.
3. Women did not get the right to vote in the United States until 1920, nearly 150 years after the nation's independence was won.
(On the national level. Many states had already given women that right before the 19th Amendment made it nationwide.) Plain historical fact.
These three claims cannot all be true.
I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world.
No, they have more freedom in secular countries that keep religion's nose out of their laws. If lunatic fringe Christians had the opportunity, they'd be as bad as the Taliban. Japan isn't Christian, and women there can vote, and they even have something like the Equal Rights Amendment, which the US turned down.
AuraTwilight
"Women have only had the right to vote for about sixty years or so." 89 years, if we're talking about the U.S.. (And actually longer than that in some U.S. states. It was only with the ratification of the 19th Amendment in 1920 that all States had to grant women suffrage, though.)
In practice Christianity treats women better than Islam but on paper it's worse. Single women are required to marry their rapists in Christianity, and engaged or married women who are raped in the city are executed along with the rapist. Christians conveniently ignore this. In Islam they're supposed to execute the rapist. But that requires a lot more proof than proving the woman didn't commit adultery by having consentual sex so the result is a lot of women being executed for being raped.
Stockholm Syndrome.
So sad....
Oh yeah, I totally know what you mean. Like that part that says that if a man rapes an unmarried woman, she becomes his wife. Or that part about stoning adulterers to death. Or how women are basically treated as nothing but wombs with legs throwout the entire bible.
what about all the ones that worship women?
or ones that flat out don't care?
like half of them.
of course they obviously don't exist, only the small little imaginary world of you being right can exist.
The U.S. was behind several countries--most of them also white, Western and majority-Christian, but still--in giving women the right to vote.
And we had to fight fundies every step of the way to get it, so don't you be giving your god or your fucked-up Christian ayatollahs a single drop of credit NOW.
Well depite the fact that the abrahamic religions and a few others treat women like dirt and with less value than livestock, the mistreatment of women and thier lack of freedom has also been a prevailent cultural aspect for many years.
Womens suffarage and equal rights may have given women most of the freedoms they deserve, but many cultures would have fought for the supression of women regardless of religion.
Of course that does not change the absolutly delusional views of this christian.
Oh i love this type of arguing!
"But mommy, Joey punched her harder"
How about this: Work on improving yourself instead of pointing your finger at everyone else you feel is worse.
From woman, man is born;
Guru Nanak, Raag Aasaa Mehal 1, Page 473
To the woman he said,
- Genesis 3:16 (NIV)
I admit my knowledge of Islam is incomplete, but a girl in my old high school class who was Muslim once did a seminar on what the Taliban said versus what the Qu'ran actually said. She quoted a few verses related to women's roles, and in that respect the Qu'ran seems rather liberal. Of course, fundamentalists rarely follow their own holy book, and the Hadith is pretty cruel to women. And look up Native American religions; their view on women is far kinder than Christianity's.
I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!
Wow - so much baloney in so few words.
a) We don't have the word of God. All we have is a thousandth-hand copy of bunch of stuff written by bronze age Arab goat herders that people claim is the word of God.
b) if by "this country" she means the US, it wasn't founded on the word of God, or even the Bible.
c) Nothing in the Bible supports women voting or even contemplates a democratic process. The writers of the Bible were tribal groups with mostly hereditary kings.
d) Women couldn't vote for the first 60% of the US's history.
Yet women weren't allowed to vote until almost exactly 100 years ago...
Oh and most of the excuses Islam uses to keep women oppressed are the same ones listed by Christians.
After all 2/3s of their religion is made up of Jewish and Christian beliefs.
"You know something I learned?" I can already tell a lie is coming.
"I leared that women have MORE freedom in Christ than ANY other religion in the world." Never heard of Wicca, have you?
"Every other religion surpresses women." I think Buddhists, Wiccans, and Pagan religions would beg to differ.
"Look at the Muslims." Islam = Every other religion? Got it.
"I believe that if this country was not founded on the Word of God, women would NEVER have had the right to vote!" From what I recall, Christians were adamantly against women having the vote. They considered it immoral, and unchristian. A woman's place was at home, not in the public realm participating in political debate and government.
"There is so much freedom for the woman in the bible than there are in other religions." You've never even read the Old Testament, have you?
"Check it out!" No. Why? Because I know that you're wrong, and that you're a dumbass.
@ Orion
Being Indian, I must tell you that Hinduism is one of the most vile, sexist religions ever.
That being said, Rapture Ready, you, my friend, are a moron.
The Greeks and Communists treated women better than Christians? Why then all the abandoned babies in Sparta? Why then are far more abortions in China of female fetuses? What about the rapes committed by the Red Army during WWII?
I'm not about to give these fundies an inch-but don't forget that they aren't alone in their horrific treatment of women.
Freedom for the woman in the Bible? She's merely a piece of property according to that book.
Women in hijabs are actually free from coiffing their hair every day, women in niqabs don't need to put on make-up. There are different kinds of freedom and oppression, dumbass!
Some of your fundamentalists think that women should not vote, or just vote according to their husband's choice.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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