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OKLAHOMA CITY — The House Common Education Committee on Wednesday kept alive a controversial bill to allow public schools to teach from the Bible.

By a 10-3 vote, the committee advanced Senate Bill 1338, which permits districts to offer courses teaching the cultural and historical context of the Bible. Supporters say the courses will not be used to advocate religion.

Skeptics said such courses are already permissible and that repeated attempts to pass legislation such as SB 1338 are a waste of time.

"It seems like we spend more time talking about religion than we do academics," said Rep. Doug Cox, R-Grove.

Rep. Samson Buck, D-Ardmore, asked, "Is this as far as you intend to go, or is it your intent to eventually be teaching Christianity in the public schools?"

The bill's House sponsor, Rep. Todd Russ, R-Cordell, insisted that the courses would be purely academic.

"I very strongly feel that the purpose is to teach the history and culture of our country," Russ said. "Thank God we live in America, where we can do that."

Rep. Todd Russ, Tulsa World 44 Comments [4/21/2010 3:49:56 AM]
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Doctor Fishcake

And thus Jesusland moved a step closer to becoming reality.

4/21/2010 4:12:24 AM

akg41470

This was all good - I support teaching religious texts in a religion & history class, that's all fine - up until the last line...

Then it all became a massive fail.

4/21/2010 4:44:11 AM

Elia

And they wonder why the rest of the world laughs at them.

4/21/2010 4:51:20 AM

Imroy

So we go from:
"teaching the cultural and historical context of the Bible"

to:
"teach(ing) the history and culture of our country"

Getting a little close to the myth of the U.S. being a Christian country, methinks. Treaty of Tripoly, bitch.

4/21/2010 4:52:31 AM

aaa

Oklaholma is a shithole, evidence number 58/217.

4/21/2010 5:06:09 AM

Mister Spak

"The bill's House sponsor, Rep. Todd Russ, R-Cordell, insisted that the courses would be purely academic. "

So it would be OK with you if the koran was taught? As long as the coures is purely academic?

4/21/2010 5:37:43 AM

HoJuSimpson


4/21/2010 6:08:28 AM



Actually, if it's true, it wouldn't be that bad. However, they tried the same with other religions(specially when Islam arrived), and you can't imagine how much they got angry. As Don Quixote said, "Sancho, con la iglesia hemos topado"(Sancho, we mingled with the church)

4/21/2010 6:12:19 AM

Rumpshaker Slim

"Thank God we live in America, where we can force our religion onto kids."

4/21/2010 8:40:48 AM

Moondog

Thus proving the joke that Oklahoma only exists to make Texas look smart.

4/21/2010 8:50:42 AM

Berny

Coming soon!
More fry cooks and hamburger flippers, courtesy of Oklahoma.

4/21/2010 9:07:25 AM

David D.G.

"I very strongly feel that the purpose is to teach the history and culture of our country," Russ said. "Thank God we live in America, where we can do that."

Darn, he was doing so well, too --- right up until that last sentence. I wonder if he has any awareness at all of the blinding irony in that vacuous comment?


~David D.G.

4/21/2010 9:09:45 AM

campbunny

Wait, what's fundie about this? Why wouldn't you teach the cultural and historical context of the Bible in Western civilisation?

4/21/2010 9:30:21 AM



...don't those courses already exist?

4/21/2010 10:01:34 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Im guessing that all those in favor of this bill are christians? Will they also be teaching the cultural and historical context of the Quran?

4/21/2010 10:04:24 AM

clockworkgirl21

I am not against teaching the Bible in school, but it should be in a non-literal context, like when they teach Greek mythology or read books in English class.

However, keep it out of science classes.

4/21/2010 10:07:45 AM

WWWWolf

> which permits districts to offer courses teaching the cultural and historical context of the Bible.
> ...the courses would be purely academic.

Fine! We do the same in Finland - we have academic-type religious courses in school. Discussing history without discussing the beliefs and influence of the world religions is very difficult...

> "I very strongly feel that the purpose is to teach the history and culture of our country," Russ said. "Thank God we live in America, where we can do that."

...but if you went and said, in a religious or history or social studies class, that Finnish society got here because of the pure awesomeness of Christianity, you would get tarred and feathered, and rightfully so.

4/21/2010 10:35:57 AM

MDB

I see no problem with teaching the Bible from a historical and literary standpoint.

For good or for ill, it is a very influential book, one of the most influential in world history, and probably the most influential in American history.

However, anyone who says these classes are purely about history and literature is deluded or a liar.

4/21/2010 10:39:55 AM

Vince

Actually doesn't sound too bad.

I know my sister took something similar to this in university, right alone side evolutionary sciences. Pretty sure when they say it's just study and not promotion they mean it.

4/21/2010 11:18:05 AM

Sisyphus

Cool! That means we can teach the Torah and Koran too right? And we can teach all about Hinduism, and Buddhism and Zeus, and Thor and the Egyptian gods and... oh, that's not what you meant is it?

4/21/2010 11:23:03 AM

Night Jaguar

Anyone here who thinks the purpose of this is academic is naive. And Russ pretty much gave it away with that last line.

4/21/2010 11:24:18 AM

Rallymodeller

We learned about the bible in Philosophy class. 'Nuff said.

4/21/2010 11:38:20 AM

Philbert McAdamia

> Russ said. "Thank God we live in America,<

AAAAAAANNHHNH!<wrong buzzer>

4/21/2010 12:12:58 PM

Saika

I can see using the Bible in class for English or Writer's craft or something like that to help kids understand literary references. I once had such a teacher who told us that if we wanted to understand all of the readings it would not be unwise to familiarize ourselves with parts of the bible. She gave us suggestions on what to read if we wanted to but she made it clear that we didn’t have to and we wouldn’t need to know it for any tests.
On the other hand, I had another teacher in another class who would randomly start talking about the end times instead of actually teaching us. She basically told us we were all going to die a horrible death unless we read the Bible. Fun times.

4/21/2010 12:14:01 PM

smartz

Learning from the Bible from a historical and literary standpoint isn't that bad...for a college course. High school, however, does not need this in their curriculum. That being said, I have to disagree on this decision.

4/21/2010 1:03:10 PM

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