Since the gay movement was partially inspired by prominent pederasts (e.g., Oscar Wilde, Paul Goodman, André Gide, Allen Ginsberg), if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe pederasty is part and parcel of ‘the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the gay movement?
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Fundie Muslims are homophobes, too, Paul. You have something in common, so maybe you can form an alliance with them!
Are you aware that Oscar Wilde was incarcerated for his "crime" of being a homosexual. It broke him completely and he died three years after his prison time.
In what way did he inspire the gay movement? "Stand up for your civil rights and die young like me." Or what?
As homosexuality is even more reviled within Islam (some Islamic countries "have no gays" (as they execute all they can find), aren't you envious?) than it is within Fundy Christianity, NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!
might [Islamic fundamentalists] form an alliance with the gay movement?
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Right, and immediately after that McDonald's will start giving away burgers to Burger King and Israel and Palestine become best buddies which in turn will happen right before frogs learn to do long division.
In sharia law homosexuality is seen as a crime against God. In the Shafi'i interpretation of the Sharia,it is punishable by stoning to death.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality
An alliance between fundamentalist Islam and the Gay movement? Noooo...I don't think so somehow.
Since I'm an atheist that eats the occasional Vegan meal... that must mean all atheists are Vegan, whether they eat meat or not, and all Vegans must be atheists! We should band together since we don't have any differences!
See what I did there, numbnuts?
Since the Catholic Church coddles prominent pederasts (e.g., the clergy caught boinking altar boys), if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe pederasty is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the Catholic Church?
P.S. Christian social conservatives already have formed alliances with Islamic fundamentalists on gay issues, and before that with radical feminists on pornography.
Aren't muslims already allied with gays through the Illuminati ? I'm pretty sure the legalisation of pedophilia is already part of the Big Picture, and that pederastry was intended to be an institution in the New World Order all along.
Also, Nazis, 9/11, Bilderberg, Communists, Jews, and fake landing on the Moon.
Not likely.
Authoritarian fundies like to lump all their hated foes together into one giant vague group. This is why someone like Obama can be simultaneously an atheist, a Muslim and an America-hating Christian black supremacist--because authoritarians actually refuse to see any genuine distinction between the people they hate. So it's not surprising to see Paul Cameron imagining an alliance between fundamentalists Muslims who support Sharia and gays, even though under Sharia law, homosexuality carries the death penalty.
How...how...
How is this level of stupidity even possible? Have these people never read anything on life in the Middle East? On Islam in general?
Their "reasoning" process must work something like this:
Muslims = bad
Gays = bad
Muslims = Gays
Nah, if there's anything they hate more than "infidels" it's homosexuals. Don't see an alliance happening, there, though they might like to team up with the Christers....
So, some of the people in a LGBT Muslim support group must have worn masks to a parade in London and not let their faces/real names be revealed in a documentary on Gay Muslims b/c they were terrorists? Or they were terrified of facing abuse, rejection, and ostracization from their communities and families.
Hmmm...
Christian fundies send death threats to LGBT clergy and cut off their LGBT children.
Muslim fundies send death threats to LGBT clergy and cut off their LGBT children.
All religious fundies must be a-holes. Yeah, I like my logic better.
"Since the gay movement was partially inspired by prominent pederasts"
No.
"if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe pederasty is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the gay movement?"
That would be SOOOOO convenient, but sorry, most of my Muslim brethren find sex with children as abhorrent as you do.
"So, some of the people in a LGBT Muslim support group must have worn masks to a parade in London and not let their faces/real names be revealed in a documentary on Gay Muslims b/c they were terrorists?"
Muslims in London, concealing their faces ? Of course they must be terrorists.
You obviously don't know that much about fundamentalist Muslims. They have a lot in common with you.
But if you're going to lump everyone you don't like into one category, why didn't you mention Hitler or the Nazis?
It's not likely for a number of reasons. First of all, because those guys were homosexual or bisexual but not the inspirers of the movement(they tried to hide their condition)and their lovers were much younger than them BUT NOT CHILDREN. Second, in Islam homophilia is FORBIDDEN. Next question?
Titania: According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, a pederast is:
"one who practices anal intercourse, esp. with a boy."
It comes from the Greek "paiderastes", literally "lover of boys."
Ephebophilia, on the other hand, is "a sexual attraction to a teenaged girl or boy who is not at the legal age of consent. Differs from Pedophilia in that said girl or boy has already reached and/or gone through puberty."
The difference is important.
"Since the gay movement was partially inspired by prominent pederasts (e.g., Oscar Wilde, Paul Goodman, André Gide, Allen Ginsberg), if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe pederasty is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the gay movement?"
Non-sequiturs for Jebus much, Paul? Oh, and you of the Religious Right in the US have room to talk...:
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/republican-list-of-paedophiles-shocking/
Mr. Cameron, meet Mr. Pot. He's calling you black.
There are quite a few christians that think sex with minors is A-OK too. Entire communities have been built around it, using religion as justification.
I would have mentioned catholic priests but they aren't True Christians.
"if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe pederasty is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the gay movement?"
No.
OK, next question please...
I have a better question:
Since the christian evangelical movement was partially inspired by prominent theocrats (e.g., Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter, Kent Hovind), if Islamic fundamentalists come to believe religious totalitarianism is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’ (and millions of Muslims may apparently believe this), might they form an alliance with the christian evangelical movement?
If Islamic fundamentalists believe pederasty is part and parcel of the Islamic truth’, why did the Taliban execute homosexuals by by stoning (actually, by tipping a stone wall onto them with a bulldozer)?
@Tempus
You are right but there is also the fact that those guys are a little anti-system and, moreover, anti-modernity and when you take things to extreme, the result is absurd(Ionesco, I think, said that. An atheist, by the way), if not commical. Until you don't see a radical Catholic paying the Chinese government to avoid both Buddist monks entering a church and viceversa, you don't believe it(and,nevertheless, I have experienced that)
Fundamentalists Muslims are all homophobic assholes also.
The likelyhood of it happening is about the same as the likelyhood of somebody proving the existence of god, and pigs growing wings and flying.
"might they form an alliance with the gay movement?"
Such as, for example... The Repubican Party:
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/republican-list-of-paedophiles-shocking/
They are prominent pederasts , after all. And not just Catholic clergy, neither...:
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Indeed, your own God - in the form of the Holy Ghost - when he banged that piece of briffit Mary, didn't exactly seek out for the purpose of bringing himself into the world, a late 30s- early 40s MILF now, did he?
...you were saying, Paul?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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