Quote# 79807

[12-year-old is raped, later on, it's discovered she's pregnant because of it. Cue a bunch of dicks saying she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. Bolding added for emphasis.]

I think it's something that should have been taken care of at the hospital after the fact to ensure that she would not end up that way. Concieved by a rapist or not, the baby is not to blame. The best mother I know became one at 14. She is not far off. I don't mean to sound insensitive, but she knew it was going to be a real possibility that she would end up pregnant. She should have taken measures necessary at the hospital to avoid it.

Timothy Joseph Michael , The Stir @ Cafe Mom 255 Comments [3/8/2011 3:09:13 PM]
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A 12-year old should have made sure she wasn't raped. In a hospital. Where one would reasonably expect children to be safe. And now you want to punish her. With a child. For something neither she nor the baby are responsible for. You in effect see the baby as a punishment (and stop pretending you care about it as a human being if you think this way) and think it's a fitting punishment for a 12-year old.


Excuse me while my head explodes due to the sheer stupidity and inhumanity of these people, something I just. Can't. Wrap. My head. Around.

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3/8/2011 3:12:50 PM




3/8/2011 3:19:08 PM

mad the swine

"She should have taken measures necessary at the hospital to avoid it."

Um, last I checked, you guys call 'those measures' abortion.

3/8/2011 3:25:03 PM



...Hang on, my brain just broke.

B-but "taking necessary measures" at the hospital would have probably involved the morning-after pill, or something. And if word of that got out...'Twelve-year-old-used-the-morning-after-pill-OMG-what-is-the-world-coming-to?!' style bitching would be coming right after it.

Its a no-win for the poor girl.

3/8/2011 3:28:26 PM

I read about the afterlife


3/8/2011 3:35:12 PM


"I don't mean to sound insensitive", so I'll try to sound sadistically cruel instead.

"but she knew it was going to be a real possibility that she would end up pregnant."

Twelve. Fucking. Years. Old. She isn't supposed to be responsible and autonomous enough to buy a sandwich without her parent's approval - especially in the eyes of authoritarian, infantilizing, "family-focused" fundies like you.

3/8/2011 3:41:23 PM


"Concieved by a rapist or not, the baby is not to blame."

Well the baby is going to be forced to grow in an underdeveloped environment. Is that something you approve of? Female reproductive organs are not fully developed until at least 16. This pregnancy could injure the mother and also the baby. It's not just sensitivity, it's common sense.

3/8/2011 3:48:09 PM


What in blue monkey dishwasher hell is wrong with you people? A child, under the age of consent in most civilized nations on the planet is raped, and you blame the child for "not taking measures to avoid pregnancy"?

Find a fire. Better yet. Set one in your yard. Die in it.

3/8/2011 3:51:29 PM


Too horrific for words. I wish this kinda attitude was Poe, but sadly not.

Hope the 47 year old git who raped these 2 girls gets his in jail, but really just hope that this poor girl can get some peace.

3/8/2011 3:52:25 PM


Kill yourself, you ignorant bigoted insensitive piece of shit.

3/8/2011 3:55:04 PM



So if she took the Morning After pill, which you guys scream and moan about being abhrrent methods of murder, when she was at the hospital, you'd be cool with it, but now that she KNOWS she's pregnant, well tough titties girl, you're gonna be a mom before you even reach Junior High. Not to mention, the girl was probably a little preoccupied with being ATTACKED AND VIOLATED to be worrying about getting pregnant, because, you know, all 12 year olds see pregnancy as a very real possiblility.

To sum up, you are an asshole who doesn't care one whit about the poor girl you're forcing to carry a child she doesn't want, and cannot...not "will not," CAN NOT care for.

3/8/2011 3:59:48 PM


Yeah, and you misogynist fucks are always trying to make sure she can't "take care of it" at the hospital.

3/8/2011 4:04:03 PM

D Laurier

Did you just suggest that a 12 year old girl should know she is going to be raped... and should have had herself sterilized?

Please did in a fire now Timothy J

3/8/2011 4:08:32 PM


By the time she got to the hospital the rapist's sperm would have had more than enough time to fertilize the egg. Any 'necessary measures' taken by the hospital would have involved (gasp) aborting the pregnancy.
I don't mean to sound insensitive, Timothy, but you're simply too stupid to participate in the discussion.

3/8/2011 4:12:15 PM


I leave for a week and a half, and you fucking fundies are at the door saying it's a TWELVE YEAR OLD's fault for getting raped and she should have sterilized to prevent it?! You are a disgusting excuse for a human being.

3/8/2011 4:22:08 PM


Oh good, morning after pill now passes the fundy test - someone start handing them out in the South. Better still, put it in the water supply anywhere below Virginia. Texas - make sure you get Texas.

3/8/2011 4:28:33 PM


Sorry, you're a LONG WAY beyond insensitive. Besides, ignoring the insane and jackassish idea that a traumatized pre-teen would be thinking so clearly, what the hell do you want her to have done? Take a morning-after pill? So, that's not murder anymore? It's pretty much a pre-emptive abortion, you know. Besides, she's 12!!!! She may be just old enough to get pregnant, but to carry a child?! How do you know that the pregnancy won't hurt or kill her AND the kid? At that age? It's hardly inconceivable.

My heart goes out to this girl, whose welfare I put over a clump of cells. May she recover the very best possible, with the support of people who care about her and aren't going to try to guilt her into carrying a pregnancy that she is almost certainly unready for either physically or emotionally.

Laconic: Regardless of how you WANT to sound, you sound like a complete ass here. The poor girl...

Edit: Yeah, I kind of missed it the first time in the horribleness of the OP until His4Life pointed it out, but YT: if you're going to be a racist choad, do it somewhere else. Or, y'know, don't post racist non-sequiturs at all.

3/8/2011 4:29:03 PM

Deep Search

What do they mean "taken measures necessary at the hospital?" Get the morning after pill? Or... What? Usually these idiots are against all measure of prevention except abstinence. And unless you become a shut-in, that doesn't work with rape.

Somehow I bet these people have never been raped or faced with an unwanted pregnancy. I'd bet most of them would not "want to keep the baby" if they were put in that situation.

I hope the 12 year old gets the abortion if she choses it. A 12 year old isn't even really close to a 14 year old and neither would make the "best mother" since they're still so young. Jesus.

Edit: Wow. Reading the comments over there, those are some really delusional fucked up people. YES LETS LET TEN YEAR OLDS AND 12 YEAR OLDS HAVE ALL THE BABIES THEY CAN! If their bodies weren't ready, they couldn't get pregnant! DUH! They will be the best moms, everyone is mature at 12... It's all about the zygote/fetus!

3/8/2011 4:30:22 PM

Deep Search

from: wolfcat

"I've been helping with babies and daycares since I was 3 and a half. I could have easily cared for a child when I was 12. I have a daughter. If she were raped and impregnanted, abortion would not be an option and if her life were in immediate danger then it would be a c-section and hoping the baby was far enough along to survive. I would not for a moment associate the baby with a rapist. I would be perfectly willing to raise the child if my daughter wasn't up to it or if she couldn't stand the thought of being aroud the child because of memories i'd find a good family willing to have an open adoption."

Wow. What a winner of a mom. Not only would she not allow her daughter to have an abortion if she wanted one (even if she was raped), but she would have her undergo surgery whether she wanted it or not. Seriously, everything has to be about *them* with pro-lifers. Somehow I doubt they ever really think of others. They're even willing to cast aside the feelings and wants of their own children.

3/8/2011 4:45:20 PM



3/8/2011 4:46:57 PM

Brendan Rizzo

No, I don't understand this. How do you expect her to have predicted that she would be raped? This seems like that "women who are raped deserved it" canard that really should have died decades ago. Though it is very interesting that this particular fundie actually seems to be in favor of giving contraceptives to twelve-year-olds. What are they supposed to believe, again?

3/8/2011 4:52:06 PM


This reminds me of some fundie cable access show I was watching many years ago, when this scenario was brought up in a teen discussion type show. I can't remember what all was said, but one statement I will never forget. One of the teens (male, of course) said "if my sister were raped, I'd want a niece or nephew".

I badly wanted jump through the TV screen and throttle that kid.

3/8/2011 4:59:10 PM


Words fail.

3/8/2011 5:19:18 PM


Forget insensitive, you blew WAY past that and spewed out a monstrosity. You're willing to destroy a 12 year old's entire life and likely even have her die of complications all because of some undeveloped cells that you worship and on top of THAT you blame the victim? You're no longer allowed to call yourself human.

3/8/2011 5:21:01 PM


How much are you willing to bet that those "necessary measures" have been legislated out of reach of this poor girl by fundy politicians that the poster voted for?

How much are you willing to bet that she was denied the education that would have helped her know it "was going to be a real possibility that she would end up pregnant" by fundy politicians the poster voted for?

How much are you willing to bet that the poster has impure thoughts about his younger sister or brother?

3/8/2011 5:25:15 PM

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