If look at history from the mid-1960s, we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance. We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values.
I think that we need to be very aggressive and very direct. The degree to which the left is prepared to impose intolerance and to drive out of existence traditional religion is a mortal threat to our civilization and deserves to be taken head on and described as what it is which the use of government to repress the American people against their own values.
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Yes, some people are intolerant of your rampant bigotry. Shocking. But as a non-US citizen, I'm constantly nauseated at the way christianity is forced down the public's throat at every possible juncture in your country. You are the majority. You are not being oppressed.
Livng up to your name, Newt, you slimy fresh-water bastard.
Newt, Newt, Newt. It is not traditional religion, but intolerant religion that needs to be driven out. You know, the kind that oppresses those who are different and would have thier beliefs legislated to the exclusion of all other beliefs. And, what Aspergus said.
Thousands of mega-bucks churches are and have been keeping on just find.
Create a new phantom menace/boogyman there, Captain Adultry.
If look at history from the mid-1960s, we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance.
No, people are just becoming more tolerant, and the conservative response is to be even more intolerant.
the use of government to repress the American people against their own values.
Whereas conservatives want to use the government to repress the American people by not allowing them to have abortions, telling them who they can marry or have sex with, and not to mention which church they can attend. All the while calling for less government intrusion into people's lives.
History? Mid-1960s? That's not history, stupid. If I, who's 26 years younger than you, think it's fairly recently, Newtie, how come you think it's not?
So, you liked the sixties, with its social revolutions, sexual revolutions, Woodstock, I Have a Dream, Beatles, etc? Good for you!
You need to be very aggressive and very direct with your toleration and understanding, do you?
It goes both ways; tolerance and understanding must also come from those who hold these "traditional values" (many of which were thrown out during the sixties).
"we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance. We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values."
And considering the polls right now, that's exactly what's happening to you, Mr. Newt 'Bitch Pimp Bling-Bling' Gingrich, who indulged in the traditional values of playing around, thus being a multiple divorcee, and spent $500,000 on jewellery (and all those lobbying positions), whilst many people - voters - are worrying that their next paycheque could be their last .
Are those 'traditional values' that should be tolerated? You tell me. Certainly the electorate out there.
One more year to go. It's gonna be a charnel house in the coming months; the political equivalent of the "Hostel" films.
If we look at history from the mid-1860s, we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance. We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values.
I think that we need to be very aggressive and very direct. The degree to which the left is prepared to impose intolerance and to drive out of existence traditional religion is a mortal threat to our civilization and deserves to be taken head on and described as what it is which the use of government to repress the American people against their own values.
--Newt Gingrich, 1964
If the government is doing the will of the people then whats the complaint ?
Perhaps first have a Christian ctusade against churches that encourage gay members and woman clergy.
"Onward christian soldiers, "
"If look at history from the mid-1960s, we’ve gone from a request for toleration to an imposition of intolerance."
Yeah Newt, remember the good ol' days when a known adulterer would be shunned?
Poor, poor Conservatives. They no longer have as many rights to oppress without reprisals anymore. That's bigotry. After all, it's their long-held tradition, part of their religion really, to fuck with other people's private business.
In the meantime, Newt, you are the most unbearable hypocrite imaginable. You're talking about "family values"? YOU!? The one who ABANDONED HIS DYING WIFE?!! Fuck off, you loathesome, petulant old maggot.
Newt, I'll keep this simple for you, what you define as "traditional values" we call intolerance.
Intolerance of gays, intolerance of other religions or religious viewpoints, intolerance of pretty much anything that is different from your narrow-minded, inbred way of thinking.
>> the use of government to repress the American people against their my own values. <<
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@ Anky
"Oppressed minorities used to be so much more polite."
Them uppity nigras used to know they place. Harrumph!
You served your wife divorce papers while she was being treated for cancer so you could be happy with your younger mistress. You have nothing even remotely resembling a conscience. You wanna know what kind of tolerance is legitimately destructive to this country? Tolerating opportunistic scum devoid of any moral character like you in politics.
You are literally a sociopath, Newt, though I'd love it if you'd show me otherwise by sincerely doing something to fix the ridiculous social and economic injustice in this country.
"We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values."
Y'know what used to be a completely understood traditional value, Salamander, m'boy?
The buying & selling - as property & chattel - of other human beings.
So, you want to say that the likes of Abraham Lincoln (and William Wilberforce* here in the UK) were wrong to close down the slave trade...?
There are some things in life that will never be tolerated: and that's in tolerance & bigotry . Such attitudes have absolutely no right to exist, and if it takes legislation - hyper-draconian, if necessary - to eliminate such unjustifiable thoughts from peoples' mindsets, then there can never be enough of it. Forced tolerance. Good.
Times change. Attitudes change. Therefore 'traditions' must change.
After all, it's not just blacks & Jews that have been - and still are - the targets of intolerance...
*- And William Wilberforce was a Christian .
Traditional Religion: "Heretics!/Infidels!/Blasphmers! Burn/Stone/Kill them!
Forgive us for needing a better reason to fight your battles for you.
"I think that we need to be very aggressive and very direct."
I'm sorry. I thought that was your stock in trade. Did I blink when you stopped and miss it?
Am I missing something here?
Has it been the left trying to dictate what a women does with her body, forcing Christianity down everyone's throat and ostracizing gays all along and Newt, and his right wing allies, standing up for their rights?
To conservatives, tolerance consists of acting like they act, living like they live, looking like they look and thinking like they think. If you do those things, they'll be glad to tolerate you.
I guess having the American government uphold the Constitution is, to Newt & co., unAmerican.
So, we should go back to the good ol' '50s, when blacks were sprayed with fire hoses? Or back to when religion had such a stranglehold that anyone hold what could be considered an opposing opinion was burned at the stake?
Hey Newt, would you say that leaving your dying wife, for your mistress is a good, old fashioned, wholesome American value?
Also were your parents as fucktarded as you, and that's why they named you Newt?
to drive out of existence traditional religion
Listen up you dirty Protestant.
Catholicism was around for 1500 years before the fucking uppity heretics decided to "drive out of existence traditional religion" by opposing his Holiness the Pope and contradicting traditional religious values.
If you don't like somebody disagreeing with you, then go complain to Martin Luther about it. In Hell.
;-)
See how easy it is to think up stupid crappy arguments?
Beside that fact that you're actually a Catholic.
I don't know what disgusts me more, the fact that he's dressing up bigotry and hatred as "traditional values", or the fact that he thinks he has the right to speak about any kind of values after he cheated on two of his wives while they were on their death beds. What a disgusting POS.
It's disturbing that this man is the current Republican frontrunner and possible presidential candidate.
It seems that the Republican candidates are trying to out-crazy each other: the more insane their rhetoric, the higher their poll numbers.
When did the American electoral system change from selecting the most capable leader to voting for the most entertaining freak-show?
[We’ve gone from a request to understand others to a determination to close down those who hold traditional values.]
You relize your version of "traditional values" have only existed since the sixties? Right?
Also, traditional values isn't marrying and divorcing as many women as you can.
Yes, clearly Christians have it so hard. By all means, go to your TV shows...and channels...and radio shows, and rally your political special interests groups around it. Make sure the whole world knows how mightily oppressed you are.
I love it, Brendan, thanks for showing us that he really IS just repeating himself.
Sercond verse, a lie like the first!
Republicans sure love their euphemisms, don't they? 'Enchanced interrogation' (torture), 'jobs creators' (fat cats who send jobs offshore and contribute nothing to the economy, whether their own nation's or any other's), 'traditional values' (bigotry)..
Intolerance? Are you fucked in the head? Oh, wait, it's Newt Gingrich, of course you are. We've been doing nothing but trying to encourage tolerance of others. If it means you can no longer pick on the gay minority, it's not intolerant any more than stopping a school yard bully from punching nerds is intolerant.
@Agahnim
"Why should I take a guy named after an amphibian seriously?"
...on the other hand, I'd vote for someone named Axolotl* GaribaldiNice**, even if he was a candidate for the Official Monster Raving Loony Party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party
http://www.omrlp.com/
At least they're not right -wing. Politically, they're leaning more towards the tailplane. X3
*- Because 'Axolotl' is a nice, 'crunchy' word, I find. Also, Axolotls look cute. :3
**- A biscuit reference: Ging (er Nuts)rich (Tea).
The greatest arch-conservative we had in this country, up until 1980s with the coming of Ronald Reagan, was a man named Barry Goldwater.
Barry Goldwater was pro-choice, had no problem with gays serving openly in the military, and was gravely concerned with the rise of the Religious Right, stating that if they ever took over the Republican Party as they were trying to start to do during his time, it would be the end of politics in America.
That's what a real conservative sounds like, to me. Gingrich and his ilk are not conservatives -- conservatives aim to conserve society as it is in the face of radical changes. These people aren't trying to conserve anything. No, they are Radical Christianists (there's nothing actually "Christian" about them) who want to fundamentally change this country into something that it has never been. These people should scare any rational person.
@CohibaMan
"Barry Goldwater"
Similarly here in the UK, Edward Heath was the last true Conservative; was single all his life, brought this country into the EU, and never made secret his utter distate for the Antichrist Maggie Thatcher (*spit *) and her country-damaging policies.
He was the only Conservative I would've shaken by the hand (those today, I wouldn't piss on 'em if they were on fire; but I'd go to the nearest place possible which sold lighter fluid/turpentine/kerosene to help thing along...! >:D ).
I have a bottle of champagne (which I won in a charity raffle a few years ago) in the fridge, that I'm saving for a special occasion. Either:
A- The glorious day when Fred Phelps finally carks it, removing his inferior subhuman self from this world, putting himself out of our misery.
B- The Antichrist Maggie Thatcher (*spit *) removes her sorry existence from our reality; hopefully her end being more than infinitely painful.
Either way, I shall celebrate .
@Anon-e-moose
Oh, I personally wouldn't waste good champagne on the likes of Phelps. Even most dyed-in-the-wool conservatives here in the US hate him. I've got more influence than that guy and I'm a nobody. When he's gone I plan to enjoy a moderately-priced cigar (certainly not a Cuban) lit from the embers of the hellfire that will keep him warm for the rest of eternity -- but that's primarily because I'm always up for a decent smoke.
I suppose, however, that it would certainly be cause to celebrate once ol' Maggie kicks the bucket. Be sure to follow up your celebration of her parting from this mortal coil with a rousing chorus of "Ding-Dong the Witch is Dead"!
The intellectual giant of the right, ladies and gentleman.
I swear I have never heard him say something that wasn't either demonstrably wrong or fucking retarded.
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