There will not be enough “white Europeans” left after the rapture to do anything about Islam.
History shows from the Babylonian captivity to the Holocaust until now that our Lord has always used the most Godless heathen as instruments of discipline and judgement upon His people.
Allied with the leftist U.N. world government, Islam will soon pour out God’s wrath upon the world, content that they are doing Gods’ will. Although their god is Satan, they will fulfill their purpose anyway.
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"White European" and Muslim are mutually exclusive now, eh? Accidentally racist or typical freeper?
It's also a bit funny that the evil deeds of supposedly Satan-worshiping members of [INSERT NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGION] is actually attributed to God trying to fuck with the true believers' heads. I just love how fundies illustrate in their blatherings, time and time again, that Satan and God are functionally indistinguishable from one another.
Rapture? You do know that is a belief held exclusively by a minority of Christians and that the Babylonian captivity and the Holocaust were events against the Jewish people? You know, Jews, the people who also have large populations whom are neither white nor European?
I won't even address the Muslim bullshit.
Allied with the rightist heritage foundation, the teabaggers will soon pour out God’s wrath upon the world, content that they are doing Gods’ will. Although their god is Satan, they will fulfill their purpose anyway.
Fixed.
Since when were the Nazis godless heathens? Every soldier had the phrase "God is with us" on his belt buckle.
Some of the people at the upper levels had some weird ideas about the occult, but the majority at least professed Christianity.
So you admit that Satan does Gods will?
I want you people to make up your minds on this. Is Satan merely an underling or an Advesary of God? From what I can sort of this muddy relationship is that God (the church)needed a scapegoat, so they borrowed a medevil European concept of a lustful trickster to take the blame for, well, anything bad.
100s of years later very stupid people still believe this. Is your God all-powerful or not? Are people not capable of evil all on their own? Your book says we are, your book says your God made us that way.
The racism is so unsubtle, I can almost taste it...
What we have here folks is a perfect trifecta. It's fundie because it insists that the Rapture will happen and that Islam will be the cause, it's a conspiracy theory because it mentions a "leftist U.N. world government" (and is under the delusion that such a government would be allies with Islamic theocracies) and lastly, it's racist because it states that only white Europeans can do anything to stop tyranny, and that people of other races are less than useless in this regard. Funny, we've had so many quotes from politicians that I'd nearly forgotten that the classic quotes are just as blatantly loony.
There are “white Europeans” who are Muslims, ya know. What should we do about Islam after the rapture, that can't be done now?
Many people in Europe (regardless of color) are more or less secular; we will probably not be raptured, IF this rapture is ever happening.
Their God is the same as your God, stupid. "Allah" is just the Arab word for "God". If their God is Satan, then yours is too.
If God is using these people to fulfill his will, then why do you hate them so much for doing so?
And nice not-so-subtle racism in assuming that only white European type people will be worthy enough to be raptured. This, and the talk about the UN one-world government leads me to believe that this person is a Christian Identity adherent.
our Lord has always used the most Godless heathen as instruments of discipline and judgement upon His people.
If God treats people like crap in this world, what makes you think he's suddenly going to shower them with kindness in the next? Sounds like a variation of an abused child's "my dad beats me because he loves me" fantasy.
"There will not be enough 'white Europeans' left after the rapture to do anything about Islam."
You seem unaware that some of these seemingly precious "white Europeans" are also Muslims.
I know you Freepers have tiny minds and even smaller world views, thus the need to categorize everything in the simplest terms possible, but White =/= Christian and Everyone Else =/= Muslim.
"History shows from the Babylonian captivity to the Holocaust until now that our Lord has always used the most Godless heathen as instruments of discipline and judgement upon His people."
Yep. Usually just before or right after he used his "Chosen People" to murder this or that other group for some arbitrary reason.
"Allied with the leftist U.N. world government, Islam will soon pour out God’s wrath upon the world, content that they are doing Gods’ will."
You're just jealous.
"Although their god is Satan, they will fulfill their purpose anyway."
Their god is your god you uneducated boob.
"the leftist U.N. world government"
Speaking as a "Star Trek" fan, with it's future world - free of war, disease, hunger, want and ignorance - governed by the United Federation of Planets, a definite case of stop it, you're turning me on.
...oh, and as for 'Islam':
Q: Why are there no Muslims in "Star Trek"?
A: Because "Star Trek" is set in the future .
@Berny
Good point. Even J. Michael Straczynski had a Jewish regular character in "Babylon 5": Susan Ivanova (Claudia Christian). :9
A healthy mixture of ignorance, xenophobia, bigotry, and religious delusion. We have ourselves a FSTDT-CTSTDT-RSTDT trifecta!
@Anon-e-moose .
I get the joke but, if you look carefully, there are no Christians on Star Trek either, or religions of any kind except alien ones (which are used as an example to show how stupid and backwards our religions are). Roddenberry wasn't much of a fan of organized religion or gods.
In Genesis, the Judaeo-Christian god is called Elohim. This is the plural (for some reason?) version of Eloah, which is the Hebrew cognate of the Arabic Allah. (Incidentally this is why so many angels' names, as well as the name of the Promised Land, end in '-el'.)
If their god is Satan, so is yours. If you can't see the similarity between Eloah and Allah, then I can't help you.
Table Rock: "Rapture? You do know that is a belief held exclusively by a minority of Christians and that the Babylonian captivity and the Holocaust were events against the Jewish people? You know, Jews, the people who also have large populations whom are neither white nor European? "
I'm sure in all of the pictures in MikeSteelBe's Bible For Beginners© book, Jesus looks just like any other trailer-park handyman. He probably could stand a visit to a barber, & maybe learn a thing or two about facial hair grooming, but there's no doubt about his race.
I thought Europe was full of godless atheists. But now I guess Europe is filled with fundamentalist, American, evangelicals. Or is that depending on the fundies argument the very nature of the world can shift radically for their convenience?
@ Berny
I'm fairly sure that Kirk expressed a belief in God at least once, and that in ST: Generations Picard is celebrating Christmas with his Nexus family (though that is probably a cultural throwback rather than a religious belief).
It's an interesting concept actually. No matter how advanced or enlightened humans get, I can't see them ever truly abandoning religion or God as a concept. I'd think that would get even worse in the Star Trek universe, what with the possibility of annihilation being considerably more likely than it is now, what with The Borg or The Crystalline Entity knocking about the Universe. Not to mention plenty of 'God like' races such as the worm hole aliens or the Q continuum.
@Atheissimo: In the first season of Babylon 5 the station has a week long celebration of all the religions of every species. Not only is it shown that every race has their own religions despite being Type 2 civilizations, but Commander Sinclair brings a representative of every religion on Earth at the end of the episode. Of course it's very telling that the first representative is an atheist.
This will be after the Rapture? The return of J.C. that was promised for 2,000 years ago, and hasn't happened? I'll hold my breath then, shall I?
Hey guys, what's with the repeated claim on this site that 'The Rapture' is not Biblical?
Perhaps the terminology is recent, but it refers to the events prophesised in 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-18:
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
I think it's nonsense and I think it's Biblical. But I repeat myself.
"History shows from the Babylonian captivity to the Holocaust until now that our Lord has always used the most Godless heathen as instruments of discipline and judgement upon His people."
The Nazis were Christians.
You fail, sir.
@John_in_Oz: The final resurrection is biblical, sure, and it's a part of many doctrines, including Catholicism. But there's nothing in there about anyone getting left behind. THAT'S what was basically just made up in the nineteenth century.
So in other words, Mike, your imaginary friend uses his own followers? The Holocaust was YOUR camp's doing, so own up to it already. Another problem I have with your wharrgarbl about discipline and judgement is that you Christians always whinge when you find yourselves subject to a fairer judge, the laws that most civilized parts of the world have established for true justice.
I thought we white Europeans (as a Brit it pains me to say it) were of teh debbil for our liberal television and acceptance of gays.
Why are we suddenly the white knights of Christianity when somebody even more ebil (and BROWN) comes into it?
For the Trekkies:
What does gawd need with a starship?
That was a truly fantastic line. And a very telling question at that.
Why does he need "gawdless heathens", "leftist U.N. world governments", etc?
@john-in-oz.
Good input. And first Thessalonians is one of the epistles that actually was probably written by Paul. But that really doesnt help much...Paul was sure said rapture would occur in his lifetime. So, I am not holding my breath either.
Dear Mike (and every other fuckhead fundie):
You revisionist ass wipes wouldn't know history if you were prevented from ignoring it in class through the use of shock collars.
The Nazis were not atheistic and Hitler was a fucking Catholic. It does not matter how many times you say otherwise.
There will BE no rapture.
White Europeans can and in some cases do turn to Islam.
Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism and he did not turn paler in the process, for that matter.
For crying out loud, trying to play God all the time will not make Him manifest His will thru your actions or according to your priorities. If God is out there, He is neither impressed nor amused by your continual efforts to hijack His message and authority.
@Athiessimo - I agree. I'm not a theist or an atheist myself but I can't rationally see all or most humans ever truly abandoning all religion altogether or all concepts of "God". I think it's something that's hard-wired into humans to some degree. Like the human desire to explore or create or the human tendency towards politics and economics to deal with conflict and organization or distribution of finite resources. While most humans may not always belong to organized religion I think there will always be some form of spirituality and spiritual or philosophical god-concepts.
I think there may be more atheists in the future than currently but I seriously doubt the majority of humans will ever become complete atheists. At most a significant minority may become atheists (mostly the "agnostic atheist" variety) while a majority will be theists or deists of some sort. Maybe more will be pantheists/pandeists and panentheists or monists of some sort.
I think may be partially due to personality. I notice that people who are atheists tend to be more likely to have a certain personality type than non-atheists (the skeptic/"Pragmatist"-type personality that is disinclined from believing in things unseen). People who aren't atheists often seem to be more likely to have what I call the "Romanticist" personality type and are more amenable towards faith or the abstract.
I don't think belief in magic is "hard wired". But we are quite a ways off from being able to lose that thinking as a whole, I'll agree. It's far too easy for intelligent people to believe things for bad reasons. I do think, however, that for as long as humans are around, we will strive to discover. Some will do so through fantasy.
Don't tell it to my neighbour. Tall, blond, blue eyes...............and muslim. You know, some pesky ancestor in Bosnia.
On the other side, why would God use guys that he's going to condemn afterwards, according to you?, is he creating a reptilian mega villanious race for that purpose or what?
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Note the factionalist sociological phenomenon that the Muslims, who are the closest major religion to Christianity in the world given how few Jews there are, are 'the most godless,' while, say, Hindus and Buddhists don't even register in this context.
A similar phenomenon caused the incredible vitriol of the Thirty Years' War, the drama of the monophysite controversy, and is why historically racism against the neighboring tribe who foreigners might lump right in with you is the most virulent of all.
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