I think this article confirms my suspicions that utilitarianism is basically a scam invented by atheists to claim that they are just as nice as Jews and Christians.
Stalin and Hitler and Mao were also not harshly condemned while they were alive.
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Messrs. Hitler (who was not even an atheist) Stalin, and Mao were certainly despised and condemned during their lifetimes. That is why the free world, which Jewish Philosopher believes is diabolical with its secularism and human rights, fought against them in the first place.
Hitler was not hasrhly condemned...which is why he was the subject of so many assassination attempts, and why his country was bombed almost out of existence. Oh, and he was not an atheist, seconded.
Stalin and Hitler and Mao were also not harshly condemned while they were alive.
Probably because they were powerful, ruthless dictators who controlled the state media and silenced dissenters by having them executed.
That doesn't mean they weren't hated by the people they oppressed, though.
Yes, you are correct. The reason we fought those nations in WWII and during the Cold War, was because we didn't like the cars they made. Ugly, stupid cars that offended our sense of style and form.
Stalin was actually hated in Russia itself, to the point that, even his predecessors, who more or less continued his legacy, chose to publicly distance themselves from him.
Hitler was well liked in Germany by those he wasn't interested in killing (a charismatic speaker who talks about your country being naturally superior to all others will get some traction with the public), but most of the rest of the world thought he was, you know, crazy and possibly evil kind of how we think of him today. And, of course, he had plenty of enemies within the state, as is proven by the assassination attempts levied against him.
Mao I don't know as much about, but I believe his situation was somewhat similar to Hitler's.
Jewish philosopher has demonstrated time and again that HE cares not for the truth because HE is the truth. End of story. His word= God's law.
It's the arrogant fuckers like this that I despise the most. They don't just ignore contrary evidence, they think they're above it.
All right, you've got me. In a previous incarnation I was both John Stuart Mill AND Jeremy Bentham.
I was really a passionate admirer of the niceness of the society created by you Jews and Christians in the 1800's. I could find almost nothing to make myself look as nice as you. Except for a few insignificant quibbles such as abolition of slavery and the death penalty, supporting equal rights for women, support for animal rights, freedom of expression, the right to divorce, individual and economic freedom, separation of Church and State, abolition of physical punishment, including that of children. And that was really all about you.
Dick.
Just read the Wikipedia article on utilitarianism. Had never heard of it before, but I see stuff like this: "“Now it is evident from the nature of God, viz. his being infinitely happy in himself from all eternity, and from his goodness manifested in his works, that he could have no other design in creating mankind than their happiness.." and I know that a. it's a lot of useless blather, and b. it has nothing to do with atheism.
@ Reynardine:
And Hitler ate spaghetti and kept a dog. Why, you're just like Hitler!
No, no, you've got it backwards. jewish philosopher eats dogs and keeps spaghetti.
Right. Because literally 50 or so countries forcing all their young men to fight to bring Hitler out of power is not a "strong condemnation".
Go and fuck yourself, cunt.
Not very eloquent, but there you go.
Talk about failing philosophy. Honestly, utilitarianism is a fairly reasonable moral code - so long as you don't take it as utterly absolute and (gasp) not act like a sociopath . Which, incidentally, is true about a lot of moral codes.
(I'm not going to seriously go into a dissertation about the philosophical merits and issues with utilitarianism. I already did that for my philosophy 101 class, and I'd rather not do it again, mostly because I'd probably cause the comments system to snap like a twig due to volume.)
And his second statement is just blatant lies, so I feel no need to answer that. Besides, everyone else here already has .
Hitler wasn't an atheist. He made so many contradictory statements that it's difficult to say what he actually did believe but it certainly included some kind of supreme being.
As for the utilitarianism stuff. Do you think that atheists spend as long thinking up ways to offend you as you spend looking for excuses to be offended?
"Stalin and Hitler and Mao were also not harshly condemned while they were alive."
Bullshit:
Hitler's opposer: Claus Von Stauffenberg image
Stalin's opponent: Leon Trotsky (I am pissed off way beyond measure that he dared to utter such rudent lie to one of the most influential men of the 20th Century. Sorry, but my inner historian is raging) image
Mao's opponent: Chiang kai-Shek image
Stalin and Hitler and Mao all had a tendency to kill everyone who criticized them, and let ones' family disappear. That might have something to do with it, don't you think?
Who says Jews and Christians are nice?
What does utilitarianism have to do with atheism?
Utilitarianism is just an ethical position that we should maximize happiness and minimize suffering, which is pretty much useless because it's so obvious. The problem with utilitarianism as an ethical philosophy is that happiness and suffering are too subjective and can NOT be quantified.
"I think this article confirms my suspicions that utilitarianism is basically a scam invented by atheists to claim that they are just as nice as Jews and Christians."
Franco, Pinochet, the colonels in Greece, Horthy, Salazar... Dictators, asswipes, and religious. They even had their supports, who prevented harsh comdemnations during their lives, for some of them.
Looks like the difference you are trying to prove just doesn't exist...
Yes because making your decisions based on what will benefit the most people is a terrible scam.
Or it could be that we tend to feel that our morality is derived through reason and not by an ancient book that can be interpreted any number of ways.
"Stalin and Hitler and Mao were also not harshly condemned while they were alive."
Well, possibly not by anyone in their own countries.
(Surgeon General's Warning: Criticizing mass-murderers is detrimental to your health and may lead to prolonged agonizing pain and premature death.)
@Passerby
"That tears it. This guy is either a pure troll that must feed on flames to survive or he's quite literally delusional; stark, raving mad and in dire need of professional help."
I refer you to this thread:
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88193
Certainly an inferior troll who - when the debate heat gets a little too beliefs-destroying - buggers off. And thus by his own admission & o mission, proving we Atheists right.
Keep it up, jewish FAILosopher. All you're doing is making yourself - and everything you say, do & think look inferior. You certainly have no idea of what you're talking about.
Religion plays no part in how nice and intelligent people are. There are atheists who think of religious people as stupid for not agreeing with them while following their own beliefs like total sheep, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of nice, intelligent ones. Likewise, most religious people (yes, most) are nice, intelligent, and not hypocritical, but there are always a few scumbags who think they have the right to speak up for the whole group and give off the wrong impression. Like you.
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