The answer to how we can see light from things millions of light years away when the Earth is only 6000 years old is found in Genesis. God is His wisdom KNEW we wouldn't be able to see that light yet, so He created light already in transit from there to here, such that we (within 6k years) would see now what otherwise would have taken millions of years to reach us. Anyway, here's the passage:
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Gen 1:3)
Note He created light BEFORE He created the stars. Again, He made the light already in place so we could see those stars He was about to put into existence far out there.
As someone once said, only God can think of everything.
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At least this one escape the idea that the bible is inerrant, literal and complete, thus allowing the world to be created with a history as seen in mainstream fundamentalist Christianity, even though this is not said in Genesis.
"This is the same school of thought that claims fossils are there to test our faith. Just more and more crap piling up to keep the crumbling walls from collapsing, eh?"
Incidentally this is why most creationist orgs (like AiG) have abandoned the light-in-transit "theory". Even they recognize the image problem this results for God as trickster or outright deceiver.
The obvious next question is;
Why create the stars so far away, then? Small stars closer to earth would have the same effect.
Secondly;
Why create other stars in the first place?
"The answer to how we can see light from things millions of light years away when the Earth is only 6000 years old is found in Genesis."
Yeah, about your literal Bible; it being the literal 'Word of God'...:
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Dr. Buzz Aldrin would like a word with you. And he's a Presbyterian Christian , who performed the first religious ceremony on another world, soon after he'd piloted Armstrong & himself onto the surface of the Moon safely (in the Sea of Tranquility), in the LEM 'Eagle' on that day in 1969.
Dare to say he's wrong to his face, Sirgak? He's decked better people than you, for questioning his achievements.
Incredible news! Philosophers at the Dwellers In The Dark Foundation have theorized that light should be illuminating them soon, any day now. Much excitement ensues at the possibility of Bible God shedding His glorious invisibility and joining the pantheon of visible things.
Mr. Sirgak, a spokesman for the Dwellers said, "Nonsensical rubbish! That's the way to go!". He later quipped, "Even though my mind is shrouded in darkness, I like to shine the light of my intellect on the literate masses".
An official for the Dwellers said, "It's an interesting theory, one that is moronic enough to be written in to our rule book, however we do think that Bible God is angry at humans' light bulbs because He thinks we are taking matters in to our own hands".
Mr. Sirgak commented, "Wow! This shows how magic can conquer all".
Or... the bible is totally wrong.
I really don't find fault with anyone believing in old-earth creationism, if they just want to believe that God created the big bang and made life develop through evolution. But young-earth creationism has to deny so many scientific principles that it's just ridiculous.
Okay, since we are still receiving light from millions of years ago, god's stream of photonic lies are still hitting us. So there has to be a huge backlog of fake imagery, including supernova explosions from stars that never existed, out in space lumbering towards us at the speed of light.
Meanwhile, everything within 6,000 light years is sending us real, truthful light. That's light we can trust unlike light from your god, the great deceiver. Got it, thanks.
Now please quote some bullshit to explain how three "days" and "nights" passed before the Sun was created.
So you believe that, outside of a 12,000ly wide sphere centred on Earth, it is totally and utterly dark ?
LOL, Even AiG and other creationist sites warn idiots like not to use this argument. As others have already pointed out, it makes god look like a trickster god.
You know, what Satan is suppose to be, whoops!
So, God, whom the Babble claims to be love itself, deliberately misleads us, that is, lies to us. Truly a god worthy of worship.
"Only God can think of everything."
No, actually, so can game developers. And their worlds are a hell of a lot more thought out than your God's.
I did the same thing with doughnut holes, figuring I'd get around to making doughnuts, but now I can't find the holes.
So how did Jehovamagod keep the light from escaping without a source to make more? I need to know! that could be the answer to the age-old riddle of where does the light go when you shut the refrigerator door!
I've got it! Here's the solution! Since Satan was a fallen angel, all other angels are capable of trickery. Since God is timeless, he used the angels to go forward in time, "borrow" the light, and bring it back to before it existed! The mathematical proof goes like this:
Since E equals M times C-squared ...
(God spake unto His angels, saying...)
Bow to your partners, corners all,
Now turn right around hit your head on the wall!
Now steal that light, left alamande,
Just make sure it's Westinghouse brand!
Promenade.
As someone once said, only God can think of everything.
Yep... that's why he thought "If I create this universe, put this tree here, make sure any beings I create have no knowledge of good or evil, make damned sure they are curious beings, insist that they have no experience with lies or deception, create a being that will do nothing BUT lie and deceive, make sure the fruit of the tree will cause the entire universe to go to crap if those curious and innocent and naive beings take a single bite from it... If I do that, it's almost certain that it A: will go wrong in the worst possible way... and B: will be the consequences of my actions and I will be the only one to blame and the only one who should be punished, what with me being perfect Justice and all that..."
Did God think that? If so, why the fuck did he go right ahead with it and fucking blame everyone except himself when it inevitably went to shit???
God is a a complete dumbass then, just like Sirgak.
What evidence do you have for this preposterous claim?
But supernova SN1987a exploded 170,000 years ago. In order for God to create the light from that explosion already in transit, He would have to have created light from a completely fictitious event - an explosion that never actually happened.
So wait a minute, that would mean that everything over 6k light years away is merely a hologram of a stellar object that may or may not exist. After all, super nova remnants and other signs of dead/ destroyed objects are found further your 6k light year cut off of existence.
In turn leading to the conclusion that the universe at large is a hologram, ergo so is god. Thus belief in god does not matter as it is unsure whether or not god exists until we can be sure whether or not it is in fact a hologram.
See, I can bullshit too.
What really happened:
God: "So, Adam and Eve, my children, isn't the world I created for you wonderful? Look at all those stars!"
Adam: "Err, what stars?"
God: (points upwards) "Those stars."
Eve: "Sorry, but I can't see any stars, can you Adam?"
Adam: "Nope, no stars."
God: "Oh shit, I forgot to prime the light beams from the stars. Listen, I'll be right back. Don't talk to that snake while I'm gone."
(the rest is history)
But, but, it does not say "let there be light in transit from millions of light years away to give the impression of things having existed millions of years ago even though in fact they didn't."
Is it possible you're adding to the text a bit?
"As someone once said, only God can think of everything."
What about thinking about who created god? Who created him BEFORE he supposedly created the light and the stars?
> Note He created light BEFORE He created the stars. Again, He made the light already in place so we could see those stars He was about to put into existence far out there.
Yes, but we are seeing the light emitted by these stars, aren't we? So it doesn't matter if light as a concept existed before that. This makes as much sense as saying "Light was created in the Beginning, and the lightbulbs in my living room were produced in a factory only earlier this year, therefore it doesn't matter if the lights in my living room are on or not, because light already existed and we can see those light bulbs just fine."
Bub. Kaah. Eegh. I'm not exactly following here, my brain is on fire.
Confused?
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