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USING EQUAL APPLICATION OF ATHEISTS' MORALITY
When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent, unsuspecting and undeserving, I shake my head in wonder that someone could actually be so heartless. Let's be frank and just call it what it is — evil. Even more amazing, this isn't an isolated incident — those who debate with Atheists or read their comments encounter this disturbing lack of morality all the time.

But, the Atheists' rationale is basically that, if one can get away with it, then it's justified. In some cases how one 'gets away with it' is to pass a law, or to get nine Supreme Court justices to agree. Such is the case with abortion. Other times, the Atheist claims that since a particular word definition is unclear, then their action is justified. "What defines a person?" is what the Atheists ask. That is actually the wrong question. The truthful questions would be "What defines a HUMAN" and "what gives one human the right to take another's life?"

Ultimately, the determinations Atheists make come down to the selfish attitude of the Atheist to do whatever he or she pleases and, unless he is likely to be arrested or prosecuted, there is no certain limitation placed on the individual even to the point of murdering another. This presents the greatest danger to society.

It would apply in the same way to other activities including infanticide, child abuse, incest, rape or cannibalism. Since Atheists cannot even agree among themselves what is morally right or wrong, they claim that "morality is subjective" as if that makes an action acceptable.

But, what would happen if we were to apply the same 'rule' the Atheists use against Atheists as a group rather than say, humans in the womb? How might that look?

Let's try an example to test this premise:

ATHEISTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO REPRODUCE
All it would take would be to pass legislation to take away the legal ability for Atheists to reproduce. Available technologies could be used to neuter individuals. The argument could be that, by eliminating the chance of Atheists having offspring, society would be at less risk from the harmful effects of a population who claim, quite literally, to be soulless and without spirits.

Supporting evidence shouldn't be hard to find to prop up such an argument and since there are many more citizens who are theists than there are Atheists, by applying the Atheists' "rule" of "majority rule" or "might makes right" (based on Darwinism's concepts) it shouldn't be hard to get a majority vote.

What do you say, Atheists? Should we encourage Congress to create such legislation? Why, or why not?

Atheism Fails, Facebook 51 Comments [1/24/2014 3:59:13 AM]
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tipsyGnostalgic

Honestly, if I could have sex and still enjoy it with a 0% chance of knocking somebody up, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Because I refuse to bring a child into a world of fundie intolerance.

1/24/2014 4:11:37 AM

Diatryma

Screw that legislation. Like so many Christians, in fact, like the human beings that we are, we'd be quite able to fake it if necessary. The number of outspoken Atheists would plummet through the floor, Atheism, not so much.

1/24/2014 4:53:40 AM

Goomy pls

"Might makes right" is a fundamental part of Christian morality.

Religious beliefs are not passed down by reproduction.

I've seen a lot of Chri-stains say morality comes from their Gobs only, and a few of them admit this means that they would murder if he told them to and still believe in their Gobs as the ultimate standard of morality.

I'd say Chri-stains are less moral. (Not Christians, but Chri-stains)

1/24/2014 4:56:35 AM

gravematter

"When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent, unsuspecting and undeserving, I shake my head in wonder that someone could actually be so heartless. Let's be frank and just call it what it is — evil. Even more amazing, this isn't an isolated incident — those who debate with Atheists or read their comments encounter this disturbing lack of morality all the time. "

Most atheists don't condone murder. And if you're talking about abortion, specifically, as your later words suggest, well, there are plenty of atheists who don't support abortion rights, and plenty of religious people who do.

"But, the Atheists' rationale is basically that, if one can get away with it, then it's justified. In some cases how one 'gets away with it' is to pass a law, or to get nine Supreme Court justices to agree."

It's called the legal system, and both atheists and Christians use it. And I really can't imagine it's particularly biased towards atheists, given that the words "In God We Trust" appear all over the place in courtrooms etc.





1/24/2014 4:59:09 AM

michael3ov

I am an atheist and I have never once claimed that morality is subjective. However, there is no reason to believe that there is a deity handing down absolute morality. Some things are morally wrong in whatever age or place that they occur. Slavery for instance. Slavery was immoral thousands of years ago just as it is today. We determine morality through reason, it is not handed down to us by your god. Especially since your god failed to forbid one of the most immoral acts on earth, slavery.

1/24/2014 5:00:12 AM

gravematter

"Ultimately, the determinations Atheists make come down to the selfish attitude of the Atheist to do whatever he or she pleases and, unless he is likely to be arrested or prosecuted, there is no certain limitation placed on the individual even to the point of murdering another. This presents the greatest danger to society."

The number of atheists in prison is disproportionately low. People have a social conscience regardless of what some old book says.

"The argument could be that, by eliminating the chance of Atheists having offspring, society would be at less risk from the harmful effects of a population who claim, quite literally, to be soulless and without spirits."

No, atheists would (mostly) claim that no-one has a soul. But assuming they're wrong, are you really saying that atheists don't have souls, just because they themselves doubt it?

"since there are many more citizens who are theists than there are Atheists, by applying the Atheists' "rule" of "majority rule" or "might makes right" (based on Darwinism's concepts) it shouldn't be hard to get a majority vote."

Atheists don't necessarily believe in evolution, "Darwinism" isn't a thing, and the theory of evolution certainly does not mention "majority rule" or "might makes right".

"What do you say, Atheists? Should we encourage Congress to create such legislation? Why, or why not?"

No. Because it's insane.

1/24/2014 5:00:46 AM

anothga

When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent, unsuspecting and undeserving...
What atheist actually said or would say that and in what context?

But, the Atheists' rationale is basically that, if one can get away with it, then it's justified.
No, it's not our rational. I know it's not mine and I'm an atheist.

"What defines a person?" is what the Atheists ask. That is actually the wrong question. The truthful questions would be "What defines a HUMAN"...
Person is, by definition, a human. No (sane) man goes around calling animals, plants and inaminate objects persons.

Ultimately, the determinations Atheists make come down to the selfish attitude of the Atheist to do whatever he or she pleases and, unless he is likely to be arrested or prosecuted, there is no certain limitation placed on the individual even to the point of murdering another.
No. Atheists, if they're good, of course, will not do anything that would obviously harm anyone else, just like (good) Christians wouldn't.

What do you say, Atheists? Should we encourage Congress to create such legislation? Why, or why not?
Aw, hell no! Because that would be a cruel and unusual punishment applied to someone who did nothing wrong.

1/24/2014 5:01:10 AM

jephkay

I do wish these folks would stop telling me what I believe and how I feel.

1/24/2014 5:18:06 AM

Mike Litoris

If you so desire a theocratic nation, might I suggest you move to the Middle East?

1/24/2014 5:25:30 AM

LDM

And yet this creepy statement was just a few posts above:

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=98941

'Nuff said.

1/24/2014 5:26:00 AM

John_in_Oz

I agree your posts are Atheism Fails.

1/24/2014 5:30:33 AM

Kuno

When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent, unsuspecting and undeserving, I shake my head in wonder that someone could actually be so heartless. Let's be frank and just call it what it is — evil. Even more amazing, this isn't an isolated incident — those who debate with Atheists or read their comments encounter this disturbing lack of morality all the time.

Please show just one incident like that happened. Even Nicholas Cage would scoff at a strawman this flimsy.

The truthful questions would be "What defines a HUMAN"

OK, if you prefer that phrasing. Now, how about giving an actual answer? Oh, and if you think you can answer along the lines of “everyone who has a soul”, please be prepared do give a definition of “soul”, show that such a thing exists and then explain how an abortion is different from a miscarriage.

The rest is just the usual “all morality has to come from god, therefore atheists have no morals” bullshit we have read before a thousand times and the normal PRATT-misrepresentations of evolution.

@anothga:

Person is, by definition, a human.

In German law, a corporation, a charity or other organizations can be considered “persons” in a legal sense, entitled to some of the rights and commitments of a person. But only humans can be “natural persons”, entitled to all these rights.

1/24/2014 5:33:03 AM

Jewnior Spokesman

What? Oh, he's talking about abortion. Somebody should introduce him to some 'pro-life' atheists. That ought to blow his tiny mind.

1/24/2014 5:35:39 AM

calshepN7

That's funny. I would think atheists, who do not believe in any sort of afterlife, would generally have a much greater value of life here on Earth and preserving it. Shouldn't Xtians not be so hung up on death, since they supposedly believe it's just a transition to a much more wonderful place than this?

In any case, the fail is strong with this one.

1/24/2014 5:37:59 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

So the gays aren't the only folks who you'd like to legislate out of their desired bedroom behaviors eh! Your obsession about other peoples life decisions is starting to get a little creepy.

1/24/2014 5:41:58 AM

Hasan Prishtina

When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human [...]
But, the Atheists' rationale is basically that, if one can get away with it, then it's justified.


I'm sure you'll have no trouble in providing, oh, say two dozen examples of atheists saying just that.

"What defines a person?" is what the Atheists ask. That is actually the wrong question. The truthful questions would be "What defines a HUMAN"

The difference being? What non-human persons would you be thinking of?

All it would take would be to pass legislation to take away the legal ability for Atheists to reproduce. Available technologies could be used to neuter individuals. The argument could be that, by eliminating the chance of Atheists having offspring, society would be at less risk from the harmful effects of a population who claim, quite literally, to be soulless and without spirits.

You know who else tried something like this? I can see why you might find it attractive:



1/24/2014 5:42:49 AM

anothga

@Kuno
In German law, a corporation, a charity or other organizations can be considered “persons” in a legal sense, entitled to some of the rights and commitments of a person. But only humans can be “natural persons”, entitled to all these rights.
Thanks for the explanation.

1/24/2014 5:44:53 AM

Doubting Thomas

When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent

When has this ever happened? Most atheists I know believe in treating people as you want to be treated.

1/24/2014 6:28:22 AM

Titania

The ignorance in just the first sentence is so astounding that it is not worth reading the remainder.

1/24/2014 6:31:07 AM

Matante

Aww ain't that cute he fell in love with his strawman and now they'll have a lot of strawbabies!

1/24/2014 6:42:09 AM

Trivia Jockey

That argument is such a straw man that it's a fire risk.

1/24/2014 7:04:27 AM

K T

Let's see, I'm an Atheist as are my two children. My son is a local deputy sheriff, and my daughter is an RN at a local children's hospital.



How are your kids doing flipping burgers?

1/24/2014 7:18:41 AM

Big Jilm

When fundies fuck their sister...

Oh see, I can start out with a false premise, too.

I doubt any atheist ever told you such a thing.

Atheists are just people who don't buy your bullshit. That's it. There's no secret handshake, nothing else that needs to be in common. Nothing. We just don't buy what you're selling and it pisses you off so bad you need to demonize and character assassinate, because you're an intellectual pussy.

1/24/2014 7:27:49 AM

Prager

"When an Atheist states that it is morally acceptable to murder another human or throw an intended knockout punch at someone who is completely innocent, unsuspecting and undeserving, I shake my head in wonder that someone could actually be so heartless. Let's be frank and just call it what it is — evil. Even more amazing, this isn't an isolated incident — those who debate with Atheists or read their comments encounter this disturbing lack of morality all the time."

Any more straw and this site would become a fire hazard.

1/24/2014 7:29:24 AM

MK

Sure.... encourage congress to put this up. See who supports it. Watch how fast they and the bill crash and burn.

1/24/2014 8:05:49 AM

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