Quote# 5532

What's the matter arthur? Still tick you off that these red necks in Wyoming were better equipped to fend off some sick and twisted, disease-ridden, child molesting pervert [Matthew Sheppard] than all the little boys your ilk likes to intimidate, rape and torture? I suppose this is why homosexuals like coming onto children more than adults eh? Children can't fight back right?

Eric, VoyForums 21 Comments [12/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8475

[Responding to "How are Neanderthals hoaxes? How is Java a hoax? How is Lucy a hoax?"]

the fact that they are frauds would make them hoaxes.

Jamietron, Spymac 25 Comments [12/2/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 103978

Possibly the only way to reverse course on this, would be to rescind governmental and employment benefits regarding marriage and family status. Some think that the push for homosexual marriage was to get homosexual partners on employer based health insurance plans, for example. If such incentives to get benefits based on family status are gone, then perhaps few homosexuals and others would bother getting married.

Filbert San Diego, Free Republic 24 Comments [10/9/2014 3:01:12 AM]
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Quote# 99617

If you have invented these gods for argument's sake to prove a point, then it is obvious that they cannot account for the preconditions of intelligibility, since reality (intelligibility) cannot be justified by fiction (invented gods). If you want to argue that one of these gods is real and you sincerely believe in him/it, then we can discuss why competitors cannot account for the preconditions of intelligibility based on their nature. As one example, you have said that your gods are not a trinity. Thus, they cannot account for the one-and-the-many, the way the biblical God can. Moreover, there is no objective revelation from these gods. In order to account for all the preconditions of intelligibility, your alternative god would have to be identical in all respects to the biblical God, in which case it would have to be the biblical God, as John rightly stated. But such a conversion can only take place when you concede that you do sincerely believe in such a god, since a fictional god cannot logically justify anything

Jason Lisle, Jason Lisle's blog 37 Comments [2/26/2014 3:55:00 AM]
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Quote# 46961

(Talking about Sarah Palin's church, beliefs)

Keep in mind, brothers and sisters, that Palin does make one exception for the murder of babies. Sadly, for a politician, that's considered moral these days. But being a moral politician and a true follower of Christ are two totally different things and I don't think we should lose our minds with excitement over this woman when we don't know that much about her, and one of the few things that we do know is that she, with all the talk about being "as pro-life as any candidate can be", would rather see a baby killed than a woman lose her life. Jesus doesn't support that. I hope and pray that her pastor has counseled her on this. 'course, she might be more pro-life than the pastor. You just never know these days. It's truly sad. Please, Lord Jesus, come soon.

faithandgrace, RaptureReady 44 Comments [9/8/2008 9:07:20 PM]
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Quote# 126114

Matt most kindly sent me something this morning to wake up. I’ll have to thank him later. If you have theological nerves of steel, you can go read all about how Ms. Jory Micah, with her ‘husband by her side’ is going to be packing up and moving to start a church. Here’s a taste of what you can expect if you decide to join up with them.

"God gave me the name, “The Table.” It will be a ministry that will start in our small apartment somewhere in the heart of the city, and we will invite whoever God sends our way. Luke and I feel that Jesus calls Christians to reach out especially to the marginalized, broken, left out, poor, and oppressed of society. So practically speaking, Luke and I look forward to inviting minorities, homeless people, college students away from their homes, lgbtq people who have been abandoned by their families, immigrants, single moms, widows, refugees, and really anyone who is hungry for food, conversation, and love, to our table once a week. We will invite Jesus each week to be our host. We think He will show up. We think this is exactly the sort of “church” Jesus hangs out in. Anyone and everyone is invited to Jesus’ table. The worst of the worst sinners are invited to sit among those who seem to understand how to walk out a holy life better than others. No one has to repent to sit at Jesus’ table. Everyone can come, sit, eat, drink, belong, and be loved, just as they are."

How will this be, given that it won’t have any marks of the Church? How will this incredible work be accomplished?

"You see, it is at Jesus’ table that each of us is transformed. As we sit with Him, and one another, love changes us from the inside out, and something happens. We find freedom. We find renewal. We find redemption. We find resurrection. We find God."

Wow. That’s so great. Sign me up. A repentance free church where we basically all just come together for dinner and a chat about our thoughts and feelings about God. Where, in the course of all the chatting and all the feelings, God affirms our deepest longings and hopes and dreams and destiny, and then a beautiful shiny purplish unicorn comes trotting through the door and kisses each lost soul on the forehead and says, ‘Ms. Jory Micah, you shall go to the ball.’

See, if you made it through her whole post, you would have discovered that this “church” (with all the scare quotes I can muster from every corner) is not about the old passé stuff that all those other boring churches are about–Jesus, Christianity, the gospel. It’s about Ms. Micah feeling left out of the church for her whole life. It’s about her sense of call to be a minister, about her having no official affirmation of that call. It’s about her disappointment and frustration. She describes herself as a ‘sad puppy’ looking for a church that will really feel like home. Everywhere she goes she just doesn’t really fit.

I initially felt really sad as I read about how homeless and unrooted she is. But then I began to attend to the reasons she and her husband just don’t "fit in." Reasons like, "In other words, Luke and I are dedicated to listening to the stories of the powerless, in a world that silences and oppresses those who are poor, voiceless, marginalized, excluded, and loveless."

And, "Our hearts burn for social justice in both the Church and in society."

You know, because all the dumb rubes sitting in regular pews on Sunday don’t care about the powerless, the marginalized, the poor. The church has literally never, in two thousand years, thought of those people. The church, see, was all confused, and thought it was just about the Beautiful and the Awesome and the Rich. Color me dubious. I’ve been to a lot of churches and I have yet to meet these jerks who care nothing for Other People.

Let’s read a little further. In all the care and anxiety for the downtrodden, we find this, "We have always searched for ways to combine our passions, but we have struggled to find a church home in which we feel our unique combination of gifts are seen and appreciated."

And this delightful gem, "Perhaps that is why we have such a heart for those who feel left out: because we know what it is like to have much to offer the Church and world, but to go unnoticed by those with influence and power."

And there we have it. Ms. Micah is the one who feels herself to be persecuted. She is the "marginalized." This is really all about her.

So, just to refresh ourselves so we know where we are. Jory Micah has, from the age of 13, known herself to be called to be a minister in the church. Jesus told her this and there is no moving her off this important divine revelation. She’s received some kind of theological education. She’s found herself a husband who will properly submit to her. And yet Still there is no church body that will affirm her incredible awesome call. So finally, having had enough, she’s going to start one herself, one that won’t even really be called a church…except that it Very Much Will, and it will be better than all those other stupid churches out there that haven’t recognized her great heart and great gifts.

So, I do have some real sympathy for Ms. Micah.
Skirting away from my great huge desire to say, "bless her heart," I want to remind Jory that, most tragically, the church is not about her. It’s not about any of us. None of us have the right to patter in an demand recognition and jobs because of how fantastic we are. Not a single person in church gets to be the center of it all and have accolades and triumphs. That’s not what it’s for.

The church, shockingly, is about Jesus. And the thing he cares most about is people, ordinary people, coming to hear about his saving work on the cross. The church is about Jesus. He doesn’t just come ‘hang out’ there. He doesn’t just sort of sit back and bless whatever we feel like doing. The church is his bride. It is the body of people he gathers and rescues from death to keep safe with him forever. It belongs to him, and so it has to listen to him and do whatever he says. Even the things he says In The Bible.

I must say, I’m sort of encouraged that somehow Ms. Micah has run up against a brick wall in her calling to be a "pastor." I have to wonder why she hasn’t yet checked out the Episcopal church, cough, although I wouldn’t wish having to cope with her on mine own enemy. She sounds deeply troubled and power hungry–the two things from which all sane church leadership runs screaming away.

And one final thing (although, don’t worry, there is a very high chance I will be saying more about this tomorrow) in the spirit of casting my bread upon the waters. Ms. Micah doesn’t have time for repentance and the traditional marks of the church in her headlong rush to fashion the church into the likeness of herself, but she might be surprised to find that Jesus himself, that wondrous man, could be enough for her when all other men have failed. He’s not going to congratulate her for being wonderful, but he can remove the incredibly burdensome trial of her ego, he can forgive her sin and show her the way of life. It is very hard to take the narrow, the unacclaimed way, the unknown way, the bitter way of the loss of the self that leads to eternal life. I hope you’ll join me in praying for her, and her husband, and the people they happen to meet, that God will break in and surprise them with the goodness of his Son.


Anne Kennedy, Patheos 10 Comments [4/8/2017 5:02:54 AM]
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Quote# 35024

[RE: The Epic of Gilgamesh is quite considerably older than the Bible. Just thought I'd point that one out]

This is true as far as a written account goes, and written holy scripture didn't come about until Moses.

But from Adam to Moses, biblical accounts were oral tradition.

The biblical account of a global flood and the Epic of Gilgamesh come from the same source...the early descendants of Noah.
The difference is: One gives full credit to God and the other does not.

prairiedog, Rapture Ready 34 Comments [2/15/2008 10:48:10 PM]
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Quote# 22051

Dating is not Biblical.

This is why so many relationships fail.

Dating is based on the person supposing to know what is best for them.

Provebs 14 states There is a way that seem right unto a man, but the end are the ways of death.

If Christian parents are allowed to participate in chosing their children's spouses things wouldn't be so messed up.

Dating tends more to promiscuity than purety and we all know it. And though we are Christian, out statistics on chasity is somtimes worse than the world.

If we do it the world's way, we get world's results.

Parents are better at chosing our mates than we are. Dating is a recipe for heart ache.

kkll4ever, CARM 50 Comments [3/14/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 125281

I have simply claimed that the conscious will of my soul is responsible for the posts I make on this forum, because I can't envisage any other feasible explanation.

You claim that if my spiritual soul exists, whatever it does will be deterministic in the same way as physical brain activity. But if my free will actions are derived from my soul, you must at least admit that they will have a different origin (being spiritual) to anything produced from physical brain activity. So can I repeat my request for you to say what defines the ultimate source of my posts (and yours). This is not a distraction, but a fundamental issue concerning what drives the conscious free will of human beings.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 12 Comments [3/10/2017 12:30:21 PM]
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Quote# 113512

[About Steven Smith, who suffered death by lethal injection in Ohio for raping to death his six-month-old step-daughter Autumn]

1. Did any bloggers herewith attend the Planned Parenthood/ACLU vigil at Lucasville?

2. Wasn't the baby still part of the woman's body, or did Smith wait a few too many months?

Adamakis, Sentencing Law and Policy 26 Comments [10/11/2015 3:38:00 AM]
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Quote# 122762

Zales Attempts to Normalize Sin

Zales Jewelers should be ashamed of attempting to normalize sin by featuring two women getting married in their latest commercial. It shows two women in wedding gowns exchanging vows and wedding bands. Zales is promoting same-sex marriage and their new "Love and Pride" Collection. The "Love and Pride" wedding band collection, designed for the LGBTQ community with rainbow and matching bands, is “promoting Equality, Diversity, and Unity” and "celebrate their Love with Pride" as stated on their website.

Zales is using public airwaves to subject families to the decay of morals and values, and belittle the sanctity of marriage in an attempt to redefine marriage. Even though homosexuality is unnatural, this advertisement is pushing the LGBTQ agenda. An even greater concern is that the commercial is airing when children are likely watching television. To make matters worse, this ad has aired during family viewing time such as football games and primetime shows.

Zales crossed a line that should have never been crossed. Even if 1MM didn't disagree morally with the decision to air this ad, it is not a retailer's job to introduce so called "social issues" such as this to our children. That is a parent's decision, not theirs. Zales is glorifying sin, and no sin should be placed in the spotlight and honored. This goes for homosexuality as well.

Millions of Americans strongly believe marriage should be between one man and one woman. It is obvious that Zales would rather take sides than remain neutral in the culture war. Zales will hear from the other side so they need to hear from us as well. Our persistence will pay off! One day we will answer for our actions or lack of them. We must remain diligent and stand up for Biblical values and truth. Scripture says multiple times that homosexuality is wrong, and God will not tolerate this sinful nature (Romans 1:26-27).

TAKE ACTION

Please contact Zales Jewelers through our website, urge them to pull this inappropriate commercial immediately, and remain neutral in the culture war. Also, let Zales know that continuing to air this offensive advertisement in the future will force your family to decide to avoid their stores, especially during the Christmas season.

Also, while out shopping, stop by your local Zales and let the store manager know why you will not be shopping there during the Christmas season. Please be kind and request the store managers pass along your concern to corporate urging them to remain neutral in the culture war.

One Million Moms, onemillionmoms.com 14 Comments [11/30/2016 6:15:36 AM]
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Quote# 5237

And I have no earth-shaking answers other than to say that of all the religions out there, Christianity is the most likely to be true because of what God reveals about himself in the bible and through Jesus.

bluetrinity, Christian Forums 13 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 100213

evolution says , there's been life on Earth for - what ~4.5 mill yrs ?? Where are all the dead bodies ? They didnt hide them in outer space , So where were they buried ( interesting thought ? which came 1st ?? - cemetaries or civilisation ?) anyway Chris , you were saying that for every fossil the burden is now doubled , but with carcasses from over 4.5 million years , there should be Mountains of them ... abit short on ( under the ground) eh ??? Why cant the cemetaries of Millions of years give up the transitional fossils in huge over whelming amounts , At least thats the wishful thinking , but no ,....

Free Thinker, Y! answers 60 Comments [3/27/2014 3:27:21 AM]
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Quote# 9318

If you are apostate!!, are you proud of your stupidity?
Apostasy is widespread in Europe and America because of the misstated writing in the Bible which contradicts with logic, mind, and science; but not in the Holy Koran which is proved with the witnesses of Western scientists not by the Christians and the ignorant so called apostates in this forum.

Confident, Apostates of Islam 8 Comments [2/2/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 11293

[Lesbian mom objects to sex education pamphlet given to her young daughter that describes homosexuality as not a "legitimate lifestyle."]

When the gays requested "tolerance" meekly, nothing more than that, I knew it would not end there...
This sad escuse for a mother has proven that in spades. Pervesion is no longet tolerated. It must be deemed normal, or not discussed at all.

Me? I think they should all be back in the closet. All, that is, except those who keep their orientation to themselves...

Publius6961, FreeRepublic.com 30 Comments [5/2/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 42699

I've made this point. Consider, an obscure carpenters son, charged and convicted of sedition, then executed. Think about the odds, that time it'self is reconed from the day of this mans birth. What year is it? 2005. 2005 from when? 2005 from the birth of Jesus Christ. If there is no God and Jesus is not the son of God, how could this have happened?

Harlan Norris, Christian Forums 45 Comments [7/11/2008 10:12:48 AM]
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Quote# 96497

Dear President Putin, On behalf of millions of Americans and Canadians who are concerned about the seemingly unstoppable spread of homosexuality in our countries and internationally, I wish to respectfully express my heartfelt gratitude that your nation has take a firm and unequivocal stand against this scourge by banning homosexualist propaganda in Russia. You have set an example of moral leadership that has shamed the governments of Western Europe and North America and inspired the peoples of the world. Already Lithuania, Moldova, Hungary and the Ukraine have begun to follow your principled example, and you have engendered real hope in the international pro-family movement that this destructive and degrading sexual agenda might finally begin to be brought to a halt across the globe.

Scott Lively, Joe. My. God. 41 Comments [9/12/2013 3:20:29 AM]
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Quote# 2633

['What makeup products have you used, even been recommended, that were absolutely horrible and did not live up to the hype?']

for me just anything to do with Covergirl. My friend is a cosmotologist and she doesnt recomend them because theres an ingredient in their liquid foundation that came off aborted babies. 'nuff said.

blueskyz156, Christian Forums 18 Comments [8/12/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 26961

Now, I leave it up to those with more scientific experience and desire to argue it than me to debate the ins and outs of what happened in scientific history. But in the plainest, most basic sense, if a scientific "fact" directly contradicts the Bible, then the scientists need to go back to the labs and come up with a new fact.

I've browsed through a great deal of the TalkOrigins website. All of the arguments there have one thing in common -- that all evolutionistic study proceeds from presuppostion that evolution is a fact. It's really a horribly dishonest, circular and unscientific way to do science when you think about it.

Dave, evolutionfairytale.com 44 Comments [7/4/2007 8:45:08 PM]
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Quote# 57755

[Digitized wrote: The economy is falling down around our ankles and we're worried about MARRIAGE? Fix the economy first! I want to have a future, and I'm not really all that concerned with who marries who: I want to have a future job in the computer programming field, which isn't going to happen without a functional economy.]

Cherished wrote: This is the problem right here. James 4:13-15
13Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.


We get so caught up in making plans, for the future, our lives, etc. God has promised never to leave or forsake us, and trying to ensure your security by your own works is not trusting God, in essence you are calling Him a liar. He will provide for you, if you humble yourself and ask. Remeber also God isn't going to give us something that is out of line with His will, sorry. God knows what is best for us, and He wants us to look to him. Phillipians 4:6 People have twisted scripture to mean something totally opposite of what God intended. I suppose an argument against me would be John 10:10. The abundance Jesus speaks of isn't a material worldy one. He is referring to the abundance one would know when being totally fulfilled by Christ. Jesus did not die so you could have all the money you want. Is money necessary, yes. Is it the most important? no! Our most prosperous future is held in the scarred hands of our Savior, Jesus Christ. His Word is a lamp to feet, I encourage you to trust fully in Him, and not the economy. We are part of a far better economy, God's economy. We are joint heirs with Christ.

Cherished, Rapture Ready 51 Comments [1/28/2009 2:14:14 PM]
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