I don't believe that dying animals suffer. The fact that a nervous system exists proves nothing. I'm sure it is useful for alerting animals to a wound. But if the animal is going to die there is no reason God would let it suffer.
These scientists have observed a slight, but consistent change in the shape of the earth over the time they have been measuring it. This change in shape demonstrates that if the earth has been around for the millions...BILLIONS of years assumed by evolutionists, the earth would now be shaped like a pencil or a tube instead of slightly oval shaped.
They all take it for granted, that evolution is fact. That is why they are blind (no objectiveness) to their religion (evolution) and they can't see any evidence for creation. Because of their blindness.
Also, I can tell you, in contradiction to VSB, that ghosts, in the sense of supernatural beings, do exist. One of the reasons that Wicca and Satanism are so popular these days is because they are real.
Realize, however, that someone who's a true, hardcore athiest is usually so because of an emotional experience, and not an intellectual one, as this argument demonstrates. The point being, you can't fight emotion with intellect. Somehow emotion wins out every time.
there are no....whatver the fancy name is for them...in-between-species for humans. All the so-called missing-links people find have been proven to be common monkey skulls or pig teeth or people w/ down's syndrome.
all i have to say is: look outside!! you can't say that all of nature just came into being, just popped up out of no where. thats hard for me to believe. thats like saying whenever i want to eat the food is just goin to appear. its easier to believe in God than that stuff.
Dogs do not turn into cats, fish do not turn into birds, cows do not turn into chickens. It doesn't happen. Within a species there may be radical changes, but the species itself does not change.
I will strike at the heart of the matter and state that the atheistic position is just sickening. Some, or even most, may have and abide by good morals, but that isn't the point. To follow by a belief that would allow you to go out and murder, char, rape, and even molest kids and, then, regarding those actions just as much good as bad is just sickening and cannot be denied that it isn't sickening.
Evolution and the Big gang theory is LOADS younger than Christianity. How can something survive so long if its not true?
in heaven there's tons of food and a BIG house that all of us live in and we know everyone and we get to be with God. its very beautiful. streets of gold and jewels and so on. it'll be awesome. we won't have to do a thing. see, you work hard on earth..and then get a free ride all of eternity...if you're a follower of Christ, that is.
i believe in the big bang God spoke n it happened tats my idea on evolution lol + how could there b even an atom when there wusn't nuttin?
[On Old Testament atrocities]Your also forgetting that Jews didn't just kill women and children for no reason. When there was war in those days, and towns were attacked, they killed everything, unless it was of some value (such as women and cattle). Don't think these things were not done only by Jews, that was war back then. Its also logical to wipe out children anyway. Why kill the father when the son will grow up bitter and end up killing your people?
Never in my statements did I say dinosaurs never existed. They existed and some might say they still do. I know a man named Paul Nation. He's done some missions in the Congo region. He was working with some very isolated pygmy tribes there. They were doing a bit of paleantology as well. Some of the natives there got a hold of one of his dinosaur books and began describing the temperments of some of the dinosaurs' pictures. For instance, they said that Triceratops are very aggressive towards elephants and usually chase them off. They commented that one of the longnecked dinosaurs(don't remember which) stay in the river all the time and are very shy and hard to spot. And when you combine this with the fact that the congo has only been 20% explored, you have a tangible theory.
Here is something to think about
<p>Which choice by the mother [who has uterine cancer and will die if she doesn't abort] do you think will best display to the rest of the world that Christ is the greatest Treasure in all the worlds and is to be trusted and valued and Loved above everything? Which choice will honor not her self or even her family but Jesus Christ the most? food for thought
The fact is that I've never seen them [Leprechauns], but I'm going to remain agnostic about their existence. I've nothing to back up the conclusion 'They do not exist', so I won't conclude that.
from an athiest stand point their cannot be any moral standards because since athiest are so open minded they have to be moralistically relative to all cultures and practices... ever notice that things from Satan don't make sense and everything from God does make sense?
the complexity of creatures of the earth is unbelieveable and shows intelligent design... His power is evident in healings and people being raised from the dead(there have been over 200 cases in Mexico alone in the past 20 years. and I am talking people that have been dead for over a day) So yes God still moves today.
'True science is the science that agrees with God,and if it goes against the Bible it is wrong' ok that is juss my idea
Well, explain me how reproduction appeared and DNA. But i know that you wont be able to say something else than: pouff! it appeared.
Nothing you can say will change my mind on the issue of creation vs. evolution, though, so if that is your goal and not simply to share information, save your efforts for something else.
By the way, Winace and ScientificAtheist, did either of you happen to see the Closing (or was that Opening?) Ceremonies of the 1992 Summer Olympics which were held in Barcelona, Spain? [They involved pagan mythology and Lucifer, dragons, etc. made an appearance] It was an eye-opener, let me tell you. I absolutely could not believe that the sports announcers could just sit there and not stand up and say, 'Ladies and Gentlemen, this spectacle is an utter abomination. May God forgive us all.'
Keep in mind that I am not up to a vexation with a person who knows nothing about metaphysics and thinks that life comes from a stone!!
Keep in mind that I am not up to a vexation with a person who knows nothing about metaphysics and thinks that life comes from a stone!!
[Again on Old Testament atrocities]Yet, let us look at the logical, and smart, reason for the killing of these women and children. By allowing the women and children to live, they allow the memory of the dead father's and husbands. They allow hate to brew. They allow time for the nation to grow back. They allow for another war. Therefore they had to kill off the women and children to prevent further conflict. What may seem evil was actually wise. Look at Germany, after WW1 they raised up a new generation to fight. Iraq has had 10 years to build upon youth and make them war machines. It is only when a nation is completely defeated that we can see them turn around. So call it evil all you want, it was a very smart move.
Regarding the Antichrist: I believe (though I am not absolutely, 100% certain) that God has shown me, in several ways, who the Antichrist is. I believe King Juan Carlos of Spain is the Antichrist. I have several studies that I've done about him on floppy disk, but here is a webpage that has an article about him: <a href="http://members.tripod.com/vaulterjohn/King_Juan_Carlos.htm">King_Juan_Carlos.htm</a>
How can you not believe in God? If God wasnt real then why is the bible the most bought book in the world. Also, if God isnt real how come the bible is the oldest book.
what if she was raped? some people say. if a girl got pregnant after she had been raped abortion is still wrong. because God had a hand in it. not that he wanted that girl to be raped, no, because no life is concieved without God's consent and many times God uses bad situations to make something really good happen. if you're pregnant as a result of rape God will take care of you and your baby just trust him.
About the killing before their eyes, these children are the children of evil, and just as the children of baal worshipers were destroyed, so will they be. Is it right by earthly standards? Nope. Is righteous by Gods Holiness? Yep.
Einstein said that time is relative. Relative to the gravity. So i think this is why secular scientists are misled, if there were immense gravity during the creation, then it seems millions of years to scientists, but it is not.
ScientificAtheist... are you a Christian...[?]
Hi atheist, I have a question for you, If evolution is false, and stupid, and impossible, then what could possibly prove it, or show us good evidence of it?
While I do not claim with absolute certainty that King Juan Carlos is the Antichrist, I am very, very confident that he is. Of course, as I believe I've said here, and know that I've said elsewhere, should his son become king, his son would also qualify as the Antichrist (though not as 'strongly', it seems). If you would like to include some of the things that have been said about King Juan Carlos on your "<u>[Fundies]</u> Say the Darndest Things" website, may I recommend the following article about him? <a href="http://members.tripod.com/vaulterjohn/King_Juan_Carlos.htm">King Juan Carlos - Top Candidate for Antichrist</a>.
Yet our schools teach kids at a 'gullibly young age' about dinosaurs and other things that may not agree with Christianity.
The difference between Osama and Yahweh is that one was correct in what it called "evil" and one wasn't correct.
Creationists believe God spoke and things were created out of nothing, while believers in Evolution, in order for their theory to work, have to believe something has always existed. Creationism holds to the fact that for the most part, basically, all natural laws have remained constant, while Evolutionists hold to the fact that the laws of nature change.
its kinda like on 'the santa clause': 'ok, and the reindeer thing, have you EVER seen reindeer fly?' 'no, but have you ever seen a million dollars?' 'no' 'well, just because you havent seen it, doesnt mean it isnt real' You gotta believe without having to see
Very true. It would make sense that our DNA is most like an ape's, since we are <u>the most closely related</u>, but this doesn't mean we evolved form an ape." [Emphasis added]
When scientists discover something, do you think that they examine the evidence, to see if it also fits creationnism? No, their brains are all wired up only for evolution... Man, your religious beliefs (evolution) concerning scientific facts are wrong!
And man lived very old til noah's ark. I think that humans are going worst with time. I also think that they spoke by telepathy at that time.
You mean how science use to teach flat earth while the Bible taught a round one?
If evolution is true, And god doesnt exist... Then life means nothing more than illusion, we can kill people, we can murder, rape, steal, lie, mock any one we want to, understand columbine shootings...
Where do the dinosaurs fit in?? ohh...right between apes and man--those are the fossils right??
And what about enslavement? When you catch a bug that's infecting your house, do you give it a chance to live... do you put it in an enclosed area? Surely, not, so why do you complain about these things? God put them into slavery, but that was the best thing to do. I'd rather them be slaves than out there killing.
[Replying to 'I'll have to forward this on to some of my spanish christian friends']Just so long as you don't forward it on to King Juan Carlos. Let him think he hasn't been found out, at least not yet.
Same goes for me though, no matter what science has come up with or will come up with, I know that we did not come from some bacteria slug swimming in primordial soup.
[After being told his claims were silly]I hang my head in embarassed shame, wondering at how I could have been so blind and silly to have posted all that evidence about King Juan Carlos, or to have ever entertained the possibility that he might be the Antichrist. I am an embarassment to myself and Christians generally!! Woe is me!!
Firstly, God didn't make the people choose what they did. He actualized their existence in a situation where they chose what they chose, themselves. Read the "Omniscience and Free Will" thread where you have been refuted.
did someone say that you can repent in hell...and then go to heaven? what! you can't do that. once you're in hell...you're in hell. and you can't escape no matter what. and yes, hell is a place of fire and pain. its not just a place you go to be protected. its full of agony and heartache. you want to die...but you can't die!! you could try and kill yourself a thousand times, but you can't die. its awful.
It's been a while i talk with you atheist, and what strike me is that you are so critical, analytical, and you reject any evidence against evolution. But you accept every evidence for evolution with faith, and you never apply the same critical mind with each evidence for evolution.