(in regards to points I’ve made on a post called “Abraham Lincoln the Tyrant”)

"yes, but it means little if a state CAN'T leave now because the supreme court decided that..."

AFTER THE WAR. That was ruled AFTER the war! Now go ahead and prove that secession was illegal in 1860 and 1861.

YOU CAN'T DO IT! No one ever could, that's why our Confederate leaders were not tried after the war. The THREE prosecutors, one after the other, warned that if the vindictive north tried to bring Jefferson Davis to trial, they would have to prove that secession was illegal! They were told that if the trial were carried out, the US would lose and be forced to recognize the CSA as a foreign country and then hundreds of thousands of federal solders would have died for nothing!

And as for your "we won" BS, that means NOTHIING. If we had an argument and I shot you in the kneecaps, would you say that I'm right and you're wrong?

The north east states threatened to secede SIX TIMES between the adoption of the US Constitution and 1860, once during the war of 1812. NO ONE said they couldn't do that and NO ONE suggested that they be held in the union at the point of a gun. Are you going to say that YANKEES have rights no one else has?

Lastly, your argument about President Jackson is invalid. He backed down because other states said they would secede if war were declared on South Carolina and others said they would defend themselves if the army or navy crossed their borders to attack SC.