[Explaining away the conflict between free will and determinism]
Yea. He knew before he ever created the system that it'd get broken, and he'd only control some variables, since Lucifer has had property rights over Earth according to Jewish custom, so he created the system exactly as he wanted it to be. Ergo, man's free will between Satan's lies and God's truths.
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Yeah, right. Let's backflip through hoops trying to explain inconsistencies in your religion.
I'm sure it couldn't be that God and Satan are just mythical creatures and have no bearing whatsoever on the world?
I swear, Occam's Razor gets duller with every fundie.
Lucifer has had property rights over Earth according to Jewish custom
?!?!
"Assertion, Ergo Idiot" Award nomination thirded! (Maybe "certificate" instead of "award"?)
"Lucifer has had property rights over Earth according to Jewish custom...."
Apart from the more obvious idiocy of this comment, how could he be granted rights according to a custom of people that didn't even exist yet when he would have been driven from heaven?
Seriously, that's got to be an inspired assertion if I ever saw one -- though whether it was inspired by taking mind-altering drugs or a need for them is a tough call to make.
~David D.G.
Odd, I never had any knowledge of Jews believing Satan controlled the world
The word "Satan" only appears about 7 times in the old testament (The Jewish Scripture) and of those seven, it is used not as a name, but an adjective to describe an obstacle, accuser, or adversary, most of which in Job.
ergo (had to add it for satire) by Judaism, satan isn't a concrete person as it is in christianity, but more a label for the adversary of the month. So your point not only fails in philosophical reasoning, but accuracy of other religions as well.
noself has touched on something interesting. If god is indeed complete, then why create anything? Why does he [it] bother with something that he knows everything about? The scenario of god creating souls so that they can either choose him or not and then punishing and rewarding them based upon those choices is even more ridiculous when god already knows about all the choices.
And yes, the whole "ergo" thing stems from the Matrix [I think] as used by The Architect. Sure, he was an eloquent man, but if you're arguing creation then the word does not really strengthen your position.
You have typed claptrap, ergo I know you're an idiot.
He knew it would break, knew satan would control part of it, limiting his control and this is exactly what he wanted? WTF?
Ooooh! "Ergo"! Aren't you a little highbrow debater!
Here's another "ergo" saying you should probably think about investigating---
Cogito, ergo sum.
Or perhaps in your case it should read,
Non cogito, ergo sum.
Satan became real about the time of Chronicles, when Israel was getting pounded on and needed a scapegoat who wasn't a debauched king.
Therefore, Satan got elevated from God's special prosecutor to the leader of the opposition party.
--GF
property rights? Property rights?
I think when we were created, dear, we bought the farm, as it were.
So let me get this straight, if I can...
God knew before creating everything in the universe that the universe would be broken, because someday in the future there would be a people called the Jews who would believe that Satan had control over the Earth, so God knew then that he wouldn't control everything... wait, stop.
God starts as omnipotent, but the act of creation renders him less than omnipotent?
That... grk...
noself said: "So why did "God" need to create the system in the first place? If "God" is complete in all senses of the word, why the need to create? ".
Exactly!
No religious person I've ever met has
been able to answer that simple question.
If God is, indeed, perfect, he'd have no reason to DO anything.
All that is good would already be part of him.
God is a contradiction.
Confused?
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