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Quote# 140694

Fire will burn up everything in this world one day. I have heard some preachers say that gold, silver and precious stones don't burn, as do wood, hay and stubble. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that all these materials can burn. Gold, precious stones and silver melt too if the fire is hot enough. Every element known to mankind will melt under a temperature that is hot enough. All of the Gospel and secular music recordings will be burned one day. All of the books written and published will be burned. All of the fancy buildings will be burned down. Everything will burn! It seems to me that the only works which will be rewarded are the ones that produce eternal results; such as, soulwinning and everything related to it, including prayer, financial support for soulwinning churches, and “holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord”? (Hebrews 12:14). According to Hebrews 12:14, living a holy life relates to winning people to the Lord. The clear implication here is that we ought to continually be trying to win people to the Lord with the precious seed of the incorruptible Gospel. Amen!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 13 Comments [9/30/2018 3:14:57 PM]
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Quote# 140729

Delivered Over to Satan to Learn
 
… whom I have delivered over to Satan, that they may learn … (1 Timothy 1:20).
When I began to see this in Scripture, I thought, “How many preachers or saints go on without this divine, supernatural, revelatory teaching on the judgment of the Lord in their lives?” I was hurt because I didn’t ever want to err like these teachers who preached false doctrines because they didn’t know the Word. The Lord was trying to prevent me from ultimately doing what they did. I wasn’t preaching anything horribly wrong that was compromising the faith of the Saints like Hymenaeus and Philetus, but He was trying to teach me the principle that led to this horrible mishap in their lives and ministry. They were delivered over to satan. I know that this statement sounds horrific to many people. The Lord said to me, “David, what you have to understand from the beginning of time, since man’s conception on earth, is that I have been delivering My premiere servants over to satan for different purposes.” This doctrine of delivering men over to satan didn’t just start in the New Testament with the apostles. I had only seen this revelation in Scripture when apostles delivered men over to satan for different reasons.
Paul delivered a man over to satan so that his flesh would be destroyed and his spirit saved (see 1 Cor. 5:5). He did this because the man would not repent of fornicating with his father’s wife. The point is that Jesus revealed to me that this ministry of delivering men over to satan didn’t start with his servants in the New Testament. They actually received this principle from God in the Old Testament. God has always used satan to accomplish His purposes, even when satan didn’t know He was being used.
Job Was Delivered Over to Satan to Test His Integrity
Then the Lord began to give me examples of this in the Old Testament. He said, “For example, take My servant Job. It was I who mentioned him to satan and who gave satan permission to touch Job and even for Job to be delivered into satan’s hands.”
 
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power … (Job 1:12).
 
And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand … (Job 2:6).
The Bible tells us that God delivered Job over to satan because God was pleased with Job’s integrity, not because Job had done anything wrong.

Adam was delivered to satan after disobeying God’s command. The Garden of Eden protected Adam just like Job had been protected before, and when he was sent from the garden this protection was removed.

Adam Was Delivered Over to Satan After Being Put Out of the Garden

Wow! One man was delivered over to satan because he had obeyed God and lived with integrity, while another man was delivered over to satan for disobeying and displeasing God. The Bible says, “… death reigned from Adam to Moses …” (Rom. 5:14). This means that Adam was subjected to and delivered over to the reigning power of death the very moment he sinned. God’s sentence for Adam’s disobedience was death, and He used the prince-demon of death to fulfill this judgment.

David Taylor, My Trip to Heaven: Face to Face with Jesus 7 Comments [9/30/2018 1:32:35 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 140728

He Taught Me the Difference Between Miracles and Healings

In 1992, the Lord revealed to me in a dream to leave my parent’s house and the familiar surroundings of Memphis, Tennessee. I obeyed the command of the Lord and moved to Charleston, South Carolina, where he instructed me to continue fasting. I obeyed Him! In those days I would witness on the streets to the unsaved, and I also visited hospitals and prayed for the sick. I didn’t have the understanding about healing that I do today, and I thought that healing was supposed to happen instantly! When I would pray for someone who was sick, some would be instantly healed, but others were not healed instantly, and I often got discouraged. After a long day of witnessing and praying for the sick on the streets in Charleston, South Carolina, I started to pray out of a place of discouragement. I was weeping, pounding on the floor, and crying out to the Lord for an answer as to why everyone I prayed for wasn’t healed. You see, I thought it was supposed to happen that way for everyone.

Well, as I spoke these words to the Lord, I dropped off to sleep and immediately fell into a dream. In this dream Jesus had on a beautiful white robe and when He walked by me I repeated my question. I said to Him, “Why isn’t everyone I pray for in your name healed instantly like your Word says?” He then looked at me with a gentle, loving look in His eyes and said, “David, there is a difference between miracles and healings.” Then He said, “I don’t give everyone a miracle but I give some a healing!” We spoke face-to-face while He explained to me the difference between miracles and healings. He said, “Miracles happen instantly, but healings happen gradually.” Then He said, “Healing is just what it means: a process of mending.”

The word healing is self-explanatory. When someone is healing they are in the process of being mended. After He said these words to me I woke up, and I searched the Scriptures concerning what Jesus had told me about miracles and healings. I studied His ministry on the earth and to my amazement I learned that He didn’t give everyone a miracle nor did He instantly heal all who came to Him. The Bible says that some were healed in the same hour! This means they were not healed immediately like other accounts that the Bible mentions. This was an awesome discovery to me! It meant so much to me that Jesus would come to me personally and teach me this face to face.

David Taylor, My Trip to Heaven: Face to Face with Jesus 7 Comments [9/30/2018 1:32:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 140727

Confessions of a Child Molester’s Wife

When my daughter, Bethany, was about one year old, I discovered blood in her diaper. I didn’t want to think about why my baby would be bleeding, but I guessed the source.
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My husband tearfully admitted that he had molested her but promised it would never happen again. He seemed very remorseful and I thought that since I caught him, he wouldn’t feel safe repeating the abuse.
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I accepted the pastor’s confident assurances that no further harm would come to Bethany. He gave me the assignment to focus on my marriage and to learn to trust my husband so I could save my daughter from his advances. According to him, any suspicion on my part would divide us and put Bethany in harm’s way. It was all up to me.

I tried to do everything I thought would help my relationship with my husband. I never said no to sex and I listened to everything he said.



Christina Enevoldsen, Overcoming sexual abuse 19 Comments [9/30/2018 1:32:25 PM]
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Quote# 140726

If you have no problem with "tankies" (read Marxist-leninists and Maoist-Third Worldists, actual leftists that achieved something and the only group that focuses on ending imperialism rather than getting more free shit in the first world for white people) getting silenced than you're bad.

-Red_Star01, Reddit - /r/GamerGhazi 8 Comments [9/30/2018 1:31:52 PM]
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Quote# 140725

[Are Christians aware that religious freedom in the workplace applies to all religions, not just Christianity?]

You are wrong. Those are cults and religious freedom doesn’t apply to cults.

anonymous, Y! answers 13 Comments [9/30/2018 1:31:33 PM]
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Quote# 140724

They will not be happy until they are killing Bible-believing Christians in the streets. Their hate for and persecution of Christians has grown to an almost unbelievable level, and not just in China (although we know that what is happening to Christians in China are crimes against humanity and WRONG. The UN should stand against it.). The communist alt-left's Christophobia and absolute hatred for God, Christians and Christianity is growing in the states as well. They've already threatened to attack and break down church doors. Their next logical move is to murder Bible-believing Christians, not only in the church (after they've broken down the doors), which has happened before, but also in the streets. And yet, the Lord is still our refuge. His name is a strong tower that we (the righteous) run into and we are safe.

I too have had my life threatened by a hateful, blaspheming reprobate (who is proud of his Christophobia, and his hatred, stalking and death threats against Bible-believing Christians), yet my belief and resolve is unwavering and has not been moved. The time is coming when they will try to make good on their threats because they hate God, they hate our faith in God, they hate that we believe/know that He is God, that we will not bow before their idols, that we will not compromise His truth and if it comes to it, we are willing to lay down our lives for Him. They hate that. They hate Truth and there is NO use in trying to reason with them. They are out for blood. Remember, they are proud of their hatred, violence, obsessive stalking and threats. In fact, they will try to justify their obvious hate and attacks and death threats against Christians while simultaneously accusing Christians of hate for disagreeing with them. Illogical communistic alt-left nonsense. Yet, His love makes it worth it all. There is nothing, nothing that we love more than Him. What is life without Him? Wasted. Let us live every day for Him. Let Him be pleased with how we lived before Him and at the end of this life, let Him say, "Well done My good and faithful servant". The Lord be magnified.

My heart breaks for our Chinese brothers and sisters in Christ. Daily I go before Father in prayer for them. I am never remiss or casual about the persecution they are suffering AND I hope EVERY rockstar, comfortable, high-profile pastor and mega church member know that the persecution is headed to the states and in fact, is already here. We hasten the return of our Lord and Savior.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 7 Comments [9/30/2018 1:31:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140722

TS (Unami): And likewise we don't want to call something a sin that is not a sin.
I'm not going to say that left-handed people are sinning for how God made them -- even though the church once thought being left-handed was a sin.
God made people in a *wide variety* of ways, and innate orientation is merely one of the differences that He delighted to vary in human beings. One's orientation is not a sin -- gay or straight.

Martin: There are no orientations, they choose to sin and call it an orientation to cover their sin.

TS (unami): Please consult a medical professional about your concerns.

Martin: A good, honest 'medical practitioner' would agree with me.

TS (unami): So go ask them.

Martin: I don't need to, I know the truth. It is you who are displaying ignorance and prejudice.

JD: Wuss.

Martin: Why would I ask the ignorant a question they cannot answer?

JD: Remember that when you find yourself in a life-or-death situation laying on a table in the ER. You'll be eating those words, if you live that is.

Martin: No I won't. It's a subject the medical profession frequently know nothing about.

Martin, Archbishop Cranmer 5 Comments [9/30/2018 1:31:09 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140719

So, the notion that there can't be any link between race and intelligence is about as anti-scientific as one can get. But hey, once they were willing to throw up that wall, then moving to the current gender madness was almost inevitable.

btw, I think one reason why the science community was so quick and willing to go along to with the "disfavoring" of research on race and intelligence isn't even a case of anti-intellectualism OR knuckling under to the attacks of "anti-racists." No, I think it was fundamentally more personal than that. For scientists and most within the "science community", intelligence is a core component of personal worth. It is an oft noted flaw among scientists, being jerks to the "less intelligent" simply because they're less intelligent. They, understandably, didn't want to consciously be party to something that would potentially cast vast swaths of humanity as "inferior." For most secular, hard core materialist scientists, it was even more difficult, because engaging the question of "human value" is mighty difficult when there is no soul of infinite worth. Best to avoid the matter entirely, which also means enforcing the avoidance upon others. The distinction between generalizations of race based on statistical aggregations versus the discrete characteristics of a single individual is cold comfort to those who with any awareness of history.

After all, the eugenics movement was "based in science."

This is why almost invariably the first and most frequent line of attack that the anti-intellectuals on the Left take against science that raises uncomfortable questions about humans and human nature is "you're attempting to dehumanize them, to denigrate them, etc". They take that line because that's what the possible conclusions say to THEM. Less intelligent = less of a person. Mentally ill (transgender) = less of a person. They KNOW this is the "logic" of their worldview, because they'll ardently articulate it when it comes to aborting a child with Down's Syndrome or some other birth defect. Combine that with their having gone all in on collectivism, and they recoil at the implications of research that would indicate any of their "favored" groups is flawed. This is why you'll see plenty of research, both real science and more commonly pseudo-science, into the collective flaws of men (toxic masculinity, anyone?) or "whites" or Christians, but rarely other groups.

For society, the continued rejection of reality is going to come at a high cost. For Christians, the foundation of scientific inquiry should be the fact that God created it all, and that each human soul is of infinite value.

CruisingTroll, Patheos 7 Comments [9/30/2018 1:29:58 PM]
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Quote# 140718

Great to see @realDonaldTrump go on the attack. Time to out this fraud. Another liberal witch hunt. Kavanaugh is a boy scout. Jimmy Stewart meets Mother Teresa. Dems clearly made up ridiculous story to destroy a great man.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/21/donald-trump-challenges-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-to-provide-detailed-evidence/

Wayne Allyn Root, Twitter 10 Comments [9/30/2018 1:29:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 140716

(=Yes this is the same Martin on Premier=)

Martin: God is your maker. Your parents had very little control over the process.

Sid Rumpo: Don't be ridiculous.

Martin: Just remember, you know God exists and He is your maker. Rather puts all your posts in context, those of a child waving his feeble fists around. Now that is ridiculous.

Martin, Archbisop Cranmer 6 Comments [9/30/2018 1:28:40 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140715

You know there’s an infection taking hold of society. It’s called “inclusion”. At work wherever you look posters scream at you to be ‘inclusive’. Listening to the radio where an university was advertising itself, fourth point in, its active LGBQT (or whatever) society. Watch BBC news 24 hrs, everything seems to have a reference to diversity or inclusion. Our new Duchess is proud to live in ‘diverse’ London. The ‘inclusive’ bores drone on and on and on. It’s like water torture. Drip, drip, drip, incessant, never stopping.

Dear Lord, make it finish, it’s driving me insane.

CliveM, Archbishop Cranmer 7 Comments [9/30/2018 1:28:24 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140713

Sitting in the vet's office with my cat who's trying to break out of the carrier, listening to some ditzy woman talking about people building houses for their pets because they don't want children. In the meantime, the sewer TV is blasting filth as usual. Makes me think of how late it is and how imminent Jesus' coming is.

This world is disgusting and self-oriented. Every time I go out I see how decadent it's all getting. It's unavoidable and vexing. However I should rejoice, because as a Christian I know persecution is my lot and I must face it. After all, look at what Jesus endured for me.

Wow. I asked the women at the desk to please turn off that awful TV, and even though they only changed the channel to another filthy show (Whoopi Lesbo Goldberg), a least they apologized.

Come Lord Jesus.

Silent Witness aka kingjameswriter1965, Google Plus 8 Comments [9/30/2018 1:27:42 PM]
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Quote# 140708

Weird for real though. Every time we have a thread about executing murderers for their crimes, I see posts reaffirming us that jail and prison should be about rehabilitation. We also see that idea expressed in prison reform threads, or the thread about the US federal government refusing to use private prisons anymore. And yet we have this case with few details. And the details we do have aren't even that condemning of the guy. He was in bed with some girls that pass out and he fingered them. While wrong, its just not on the same level as the Brock case, or most of the other cases of someone preying on passed out people. Or violently attacking them and breaking into their homes. Or even drugging them or using weapons.

And yet, here we have people demanding he go to prison for 20 years, demanding he be castrated, demanding this and that. While I think 2 years probation is very light, its hypocritical of the aforementioned idea that we should be rehabilitating, instead of punishing people. Its also telling that the victims don;t think he should go to jail.

I'd also like to clarify, its sort of dishonest to compare this case directly to other recent ones. The person "slipping" into a vagina is ridiculous, and a poor, dishonest comparison. While you can say by law, he raped them, or that, by law that one poster that continued having sex with his wife right after she passed technically raped his wife.... I just don't think the alleged victims would really agree with you.

Also, people keep asking "what if a guy fingered your butt while you were asleep?" .. well, if I were a homosexual man, interested in said other man, and we were flirting all night and I happened to pass out as things were getting good.. and butt fingering was something I would normally be into... I just wouldn't care that much. In reality I have passed out drunk (for minutes at a time) and my girlfriend didn't stop, and just woke up me up by shaking me. To you people this might be rape and according to you, she might belong in prison... but I just don't see it that way.

LemonPartyFan, MMO Champion 5 Comments [9/30/2018 1:24:05 PM]
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Quote# 140701

Fags in hell: "AAAAUGH! HELP ME! I MADE A MISTAKE BY CHOOSING THE FAG LIFESTYLE! I'M IN PAAAIN!!! AAAAUGH!!! SOMEONE HELP ME! THIS CANT LAST FOREVER!!! AAAAAAAUUGH! IT BURNS!!!!! AAAAUGH!"



thomas_the_panzer, Reddit - /r/AganistGayMarriage 18 Comments [9/30/2018 11:27:28 AM]
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Quote# 140700

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Hateful, Radical, "Militant" LGBT group Targets and Harasses Christian Church (wants to "run the church out of town")

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Thanks.

A hateful, self-described "militant" LGBT group, the Christophobic, Stonewall Militant Front-ATX, is targetting, harassing and attempting to oust a beloved mega-church.

Celebration Church has come under fire for adhering to traditional bible teachings. The Pastor, Joe Champion, has stated, "We believe that marriage is a lifelong covenant between a man and a woman, God-designed—and do not endorse or condone it in any other context."

Clearly, Joe is correct, but what we need to bring attention to is the Christophobia and hate coming from the alt-left, hate that must be called by name and resisted by every patriotic, constitution-supporting American whether Christian or not because what's at stake here is freedom-freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of religion and freedom of speech (in our own country, our own spaces, homes and places of worship), i.e., Constitutional rights.

Celebration Church holds to a belief shared by thousands of other churches across the nation. "Our focus is and has always been as what we do as a church—serving the community—spreading the word of God based on the Bible. And we continue to do that," the pastor said.

Sounds good right? There is no hate in Joe's message nor the church's purpose. Yet, the militant alt-left has decided to introduce their strawmans and insert their own hate and demand that the school district renting a facility to the church for weekly services, end the church's contract. The attorney general however disagrees with the hateful Stonewall Militant Group and has stated it would be unconstitutional to single-out the Bible-believing church for their beliefs, but allow others who believe differently to still rent from the school district.

"Excluding churches from a government forum or program due to their religious nature is odious to our Constitution," Mateer wrote in his letter to the school district.


The attorney general's office said the school district is "targeting Celebration Church for discriminatory treatment."

"The District's proposal to exclude churches with traditional beliefs about marriage, while allowing churches that agree with same-sex marriage to continue renting its facility smacks of denominational preference, and is unconstitutional," he wrote.

The radical Christiphobic group has already protested and picketed the church during Sunday worship services—calling congregants "anti-LGBT bigots."
Here are a couple more examples of the "love" the alt-left claims they want to spread, from their own mouths and social media accounts:
"They think they can use their money to spread their hate in our city and our halls—we are going to run them out," the organization wrote on its Facebook page.

"If bigoted churches come to town opposing the existence of LGBTQ people, the masses must organize and take the fight to the church doors and oppose their existence in Austin," they wrote.

Interestingly enough, Pastor Joe Champion has said the focus of their church is to share the love of Jesus Christ with their community. And he rejected any accusations that the mega-church is homophobic.

"God called us to love everyone, and we welcome everyone in the community to attend our church."

Again, I didn't read any messages of hate in Joe's words nor on the church's website. It seems alt-left radicals love hating Bible-believing Christians and anyone that disagrees with them. Now, they're planning to bring their fight to the church's front doors. Hmmm, who's next? Are you next? How about the religion of love, the Muslims?

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/american-dispatch/73322-radical-lgbt-group-wants-to-oust-beloved-megachurch

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 7 Comments [9/30/2018 11:27:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140699

Today's Laugh 9-26-18



TRANSCRIPTION
We hate Kavanaugh because we want a liberal Supreme Court to rubber stamp our community globalist insanity.

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [9/30/2018 11:24:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140681

The True Measurement of Our Success is How Many People Will Be Waiting to Greet Us in Heaven

We look at things all wrong. We look at a Christian who sins and ruins his or her life, and then foolishly conclude that they'll receive no rewards. However, God will reward a person according to their labors. People tend to judge others based upon key moments in their life, but God looks at the entire life. So while the dirty critics are continually tearing that imperfect person down, riding them, berating their name relentlessly, God sees that person's labors! Even the worst Christian can still lay up treasures in Heaven by faithfully laboring to get souls saved. The best revenge against life's unfairness is to become a massively successful soulwinner!!! In your face Devil! It is the critics who will one day have nothing in eternity, who never told a person how to be saved, who never led a soul to Jesus Christ! God does not reward us for impressing other people, nor for what others think about us, thankfully.

God rewards us according to our OWN LABORS for Him! 1st Corinthians 3:8, “Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.” The Lords commission to His apostles was to go into all the world and PREACH THE GOSPEL. Part of that Great Commission, as stated in Matthew 28:20, is “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”? The Lord taught His apostles to be soulwinners, giving them a Great Commission to go into all the world and PREACH THE GOSPEL to get people saved, and then the Lord told them to recruit those new converts and indoctrinate them so that they'll also become soulwinners, and perpetuate the whole thing of leading people to Christ with the GOOD NEWS of Christ crucified, buried and risen! That is what Christianity is all about folks!!!

God never intended for someone to get saved and then become “choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection”? (Luke 8:14b). God intends for every born-again believer to become a witness and bear fruit. Luke 8:15, “But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”? Notice that it takes patience to win people to Christ. Oftentimes people will be reluctant, distrustful of religion and Christians. Can you blame them in lieu of the massive pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church? Most people don't understand that Catholicism is a Satanic cult!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 20 Comments [9/30/2018 7:11:11 AM]
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Quote# 140678

In middle of this disgraceful absurd attack on Brett Kavqanaugh from leftist loonies bringing up lies from 36 yrs ago...I want to know...WHERE ARE OBAMA'S GIRLFRIENDS? Obama admits in his book he did lots of drugs, but never a problem w/any girlfriend? EVER/ Strange, huh?

Wayne Allyn Root, Twitter 17 Comments [9/30/2018 7:10:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 140690

everyone is bound by Gods law and His judgement whether they believe it or not .... FYI .... the speed limit is a result of GODS LAW of motion and is by that LAW upon even those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness and deny God and His law .... and the consequences are jail in this world .... and death if you go to fast and have to turn too sharp to avoid a wall or cliff or another car .... WHICH if you are in a car ..... REQUIRES you to have FAITH that the other drivers will follow the LAW of both God and men ............ so they are not even exempt from having a faith ..... "Not everyone is bound by your faith." ... they SURELY ARE as i have just explained ...........

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 19 Comments [9/29/2018 4:40:19 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140685

San Geronimo:
Scripture isn't always the authority. It depends on what is being discussed. If you're comparing rock strata, scripture isn't going to help you. If you're debating what color to paint the fence, scripture isn't going to help you. You have to be RESPONSIBLE with scripture and not apply it to anything you want to when you're losing an argument with someone.

Amos Moses:
nope ... and AGAIN demonstrating you are not a competent judge of scripture and its lack of authority in your life ........

San Geronimo:
This has got nothing to do with judging scripture, you're not even citing any. Scripture is not the authority when it comes to word definitions. Please go look up the word "rosacea" in scripture and return with the definition.

Amos Moses:
you have no relationship with God as you REJECT the authority of scripture .... you BELIEVE in the "dictionary" .........you said that .... not me putting words in your mouth ........... "If the dictionary says it, I have no basis to argue. Nor do you."
THERE IT IS ................... rejection of scripture as AUTHORITY

San Geronimo:
That's right, when you're discussion word definitions. [The authority is] the dictionary. NOT scripture, you cannot look up words in scripture. Try looking up the word "profiterole" in scripture. That doesn't mean I reject scripture. It means I know how to apply it correctly and not just claim that because it beats out every other book that we call it the champion in any situation.

Amos Moses:
here ... [The Bible] is the ultimate and only authority ......... biblical definitions of many terms TRUMP your so called "definitions"

San Geronimo:
They at unrelated. And no scholarly person would ever dare to suggest that scripture should be used in a defining sense. If you were in a court of law and you got into a debate about a word's definition, the courts would uphold the dictionary definition. Not the Bible (which people swear on). Why do you think that is? Because the courts hate Christians? I don't think so.

Amos Moses:
courts do not use your dictionary ..... so false conflation ..... LEGAL definitions are either written into the laws or they would rely on a LEGAL dictionary such as "BLACKSs law dictionary" ....... and courts DO use the bible in many cases .... and you know it ..........

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 10 Comments [9/29/2018 4:24:57 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140679

[on an adult grooming a child to be a sex partner]


I really don't see a problem with this. If he treated her with respect and it looks like she grew up normally just like everybody else and now shes 18, whats the big deal. She was groomed by him....so what? I could be groomed by a talking pig for all I care as long as the pig did not mentally or physically harm me in any way and i feel comfortable with it. The world nowadays is bounded by so many social stigmas and rules that anything unusual automatically is seen in a negative way. IF the guy truly loved her from the bottom of his heart and not just in a sexual creepy pedophilia way and the girl felt the same then I dont really give a fuck. From the looks of it the guy is a nice person and the girl grew up to be pretty normal. It does look weird on the eye but thats because we are conditioned by social norms and our brains are conditioned by society to think that way when if you really look at it no harm was done to either person

45superscott , Youtube 8 Comments [9/29/2018 4:22:11 PM]
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Quote# 140677

Jesus Appears in Denny’s

One day, during my special prayer time before a crusade, I heard the Lord say to me, “Go to Denny’s restaurant, for I’m going to appear to you there.” I replied back to the Lord, “Is this really you?” I asked because I would usually stay inside and pray the night before a crusade. Then He replied back, “Yes. Go because I have an appointment with you there.” So I gathered two of my pastors and we went to Denny’s. I told them what the Lord said to me: that He was going to walk into Denny’s and meet us there. They had always seen the Lord keep His promise in showing up in the Crusades. When we arrived I didn’t know what to do but sit there and wait. There were people there in the restaurant and we waited.

Many Slain Under the Power in Denny’s

About 30 to 40 minutes went by and then I suddenly saw the Lord walk into the restaurant! All of a sudden, the atmosphere in Denny’s was filled with glory and electricity. We could feel it, and the people could feel it—even the sinners. Then, without us doing anything, the waiter and other people started gathering to our table asking us about what they were feeling in the room. We began witnessing to them about the Lord and prayed for them. Before it was all over, a growth disappeared off a young man and unbelievers were delivered that are still saved to this very day! Many people in that restaurant were slain under the power of God on the floor. It was glorious. I didn’t know He was going to do this. I learned that it’s just better to obey God’s voice even if you don’t understand it. I thought in my mind … Denny’s? Why? But it was glorious!

David Taylor, My Trip to Heaven: Face to Face with Jesus 22 Comments [9/29/2018 4:18:11 PM]
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Cleveland, Ohio, 1998

It was 1998 and the ministry was growing during this awesome season. I was introduced to a great man, Bishop McKinney, and his wife Shirley, whom people affectionately called “Lady Bishop.” They invited me to Cleveland to conduct a set of revival services. In these services, we saw the Lord do awesome things and demonstrate glorious and great power. One night the glory of God came in during intimate worship. It was so heavy that I could not minister. It was so thick that all I could do was sit down on the podium steps. We had seen many dramatic miracles and awesome displays of God’s power, but this night was very special.

As I sat down on the steps, the people were still standing in the Lord’s presence, and all of a sudden Jesus appeared in front of me in the middle aisle. He smiled at me. I noticed Him when I sat down (for the service was out of my control anyway). He then appeared and started taking over the service completely. We must learn to yield more completely as ministers and move out of the Lord’s way! As Jesus stood there, I told the people that He was in the room, and I narrated what He was doing.

I could tell that a few people didn’t believe what I was saying. The church I was ministering in has an incredible worship team and has a lively congregation that is always ready for a move of God, so it may have been visitors that did not believe Jesus was there. After Jesus smiled at me, He turned to walk to the back of the audience and said, “Some of them don’t believe you when you said that I’m here on the earth and in this service with them in my glorified body.” There were about 1200 people in the service that night. As Jesus walked, I narrated His every move to the people. I told them that He was walking toward the back. When He got to the end of the last pew, He turned left and walked to the farthest end of the last pew.

Jesus Appears and Heals a Young Man With AIDS

Because I was sitting down and the people were standing, I could not see Him in the back of the church at this point, but I could still hear Him. Then suddenly He began speaking to me saying, “David, there is a young man who is a homosexual on the back pew. He came here to be healed because he has AIDS.” Now you have to understand that the service and atmosphere were charged with electricity and God’s presence through awesome worship. Jesus then continued and said, “David, I have My hands on this young man’s shoulders and he feels electricity going through his body because I’m healing him of AIDS and setting him free from homosexuality. Tell what I’m doing openly and call this out.” I didn’t know there was a homosexual in our audience or where he was sitting until Jesus turned left and pointed him out to me. Jesus said, “The people will believe you more—that I am personally in the room—when you narrate this and tell it openly.” Then I said it! I shared everything that Jesus had told me about the young man. I shared that God was healing him of AIDS and delivering him from homosexuality, and I pointed to him in the back of the church.

Then I said to the young man, “Come up here.” I was still sitting down. When the young man got up and came out of the back pew, he was trembling and shaking uncontrollably because of the power and electricity flowing through his body. I knew that this man was the homosexual that God told me about because he was the only one who came up to the front. Immediately, Jesus said to me, “David, do not lay hands on him; just point from where you are sitting.” He was about 30 to 40 feet away from where I was sitting. As He walked down the middle aisle alone, I did what Jesus said and I pointed my index finger at him. I felt and saw a bolt of lightning and electricity flow out from my finger and hit him. The power of God raised him up about 6 feet in midair and threw him so that he was flying backwards through the air. When he landed on the floor slain under the power of God, he was completely set free from homosexuality and healed of AIDS. That’s glorious power! The people saw this take place. The whole audience made an astonishing sound together: Whooo! They knew Jesus was personally there in the building when they saw this manifestation.

It Was Complete Glory

Jesus then came back down the center aisle again, passed in front of me, and stood at my left side. He looked at me and said, “David, even after this there are still some that don’t believe I’m here. Have all those who are skeptics come up here to where I am standing.” I had already narrated that Jesus had walked up to the front so then I said, “All of you that are having a hard time believing that Jesus is here personally, come up here and stand where He’s standing.” About 40 people came to the front to go to where Jesus was standing. When they got there, all collapsed under His power onto the floor. It was powerful! All skeptics hit the floor under the power of God for Jesus had touched them all without using me. I was still sitting down on the steps, just watching all of this and thinking about how powerful and how delightful it was! There’s nothing like watching Jesus minister! I love Him working with us!

David Taylor, My Trip to Heaven: Face to Face with Jesus 8 Comments [9/29/2018 4:18:04 PM]
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If you as a woman are reading this and you are angry or hate that fact that your husband or men in general see you as a sex object this is what you need to do. You first need to realize that your feelings on this issue are not holy and justified but are based in your own sinful pride. You may not even have realized how you feel about being a sex object for men is based in the sin of pride because of what our culture tells you every day.

The Bible tells us this regarding our cultural conditioning:

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

Romans 12:2 (KJV)


God calls you to reject your cultural conditioning that goes in direct opposition to his word. Once you have resolved to allow God to transform your thinking you need to mediate on these principles:

1. You as a woman were created for man, man was not created for you. (I Corinthians 11:9)
2. In keeping with your created purpose for man – you are in fact a sex object to men. God reserves the sexual use of your body for marriage (Hebrews 13:4) but when you are married your husband may fully use you as a sex object (Proverbs 5:15-20).
3. While you are to guard your virginity as a sacred treasure for marriage – you should never scold men for being sexually attracted to you or for simply glancing at your female form.
4. When you are married you should never allow yourself to have negative thoughts of being sexually used by your husband. In fact, you need to recondition your mind to WANT to be sexually used by your husband because that is one the purposes for which you were designed by God.

Finally, on the subject of feeling sexually used by your husband.

I always find it fascinating how many Christian women pray that God will use them but they only want to be used in the way they want to be used. They have these grand visions and really selfish ambitions of how they want God to use them.

But to be used as a maid, a cook, a mother for his children and an object of sexual pleasure for a man – well that is just beneath them and they will have no part in this.

If you are having negative feelings about being “sexually used” by your husband you need to realize that such thoughts and feelings come not from your spirit, but from your sinful nature (your flesh). Such feelings are not only unbiblical, they are in fact illogical and they fully based in sinful pride.

Why would you feel angry at your husband for using you for one of the purposes for which God made you? Getting angry at your husband for using you for sex would be like your wedding photographer getting angry at you for using him to take pictures at your wedding. It is part of your function, your design and your intended use.

I encourage and admonish you as a woman to pray the prayer of Psalm 51:10 “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.” Once you give your pride to God, humble yourself before and fully accept his design for your life you will truly find the peace and joy that God intended for your life.

biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 8 Comments [9/29/2018 4:14:54 PM]
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