Quote# 115755

Why can't we see Nibiru?

Because it is the center of consciousness of the Demiurge, and the Demiurge = consciousness of the Dark Matter field, meaning it is the center of the Dark Matter field of the universe. Which is why it can't be seen and is known as the Black Sun.

It can be thought of for those familiar to gnosticism as the Demiurge's own personal Pleroma since he thinks he's too cool for the real one. So it's basically heaven for bad people. Which I guess could be considered as Hell except for the fact that it's a choice to go there, not eternal punishment for those who sin.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 7 Comments [1/3/2016 4:24:42 AM]
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Quote# 110878

The 4 Steps of Project Blue Beam

Step One: Step One requires the breakdown of all archaeological knowledge. This will apparently be accomplished by faking earthquakes at precise locations around the planet. Fake “new discoveries” at these locations “will finally explain to all people the error of all fundamental religious doctrines”, specifically Christian and Muslim doctrines.

Step Two: Step Two involves a gigantic “space show” wherein three-dimensional holographic laser projections will be beamed all over the planet — and this is where Blue Beam really takes off. The projections will take the shape of whatever deity is most predominant, and will speak in all languages. At the end of this light show, the gods will all merge into one god, the Antichrist.

Step Three: Step Three is “Telepathic Electronic Two-Way Communication.” It involves making people think their god is speaking to them through telepathy, projected into the head of each person individually using extreme low frequency radio waves.

Step Four: Step Four has three parts:

1. Making humanity think an alien invasion is about to occur at every major city;

2. Making the Christians think the Rapture is about to happen;

3. A mixture of electronic and supernatural forces, allowing the supernatural forces to travel through fiber optics, coax, power and telephone lines to penetrate all electronic equipment and appliances, that will by then all have a special microchip installed.

Then chaos will break out, and people will finally be willing — perhaps even desperate — to accept the New World Order. “The techniques used in the fourth step is exactly the same used in the past in the USSR to force the people to accept Communism.”

David Icke calls this process the “Totalitarian Tiptoe” where civil liberties are gradually relinquished in favor of government protection from issues that they initially created. For example, after 911, United States citizens cried to their government officials for protection, resulting in the Patriot Act, which took away numerous civil liberties in the name of protection. This has further snowballed into the National Defense Authorization Act, which was written in a way where any United States citizen could be not only detained and questioned without any legal representation, they could also be killed without questioning. This was written under the guise of protection from ‘terrorists’.

It is no coincidence that our skies are being lambasted with chemtrails, which contain barium niobate. Barium niobate is a critical element used in the 3D technology of creating holographs and was specifically mentioned in the U.S. Army’s Research Lab Adelphi Report from November 1996 through August 1997 titled, “3D Holographic Display Using Strontium Barium Niobate”, Accession Number ADA338490, published in February 1998.

The abstract for this publication specifically states the following : “An innovative technique for generating a three dimensional holographic display using Strontium Barium Niobate (SBN) is discussed.”

Contrails versus Chemtrails

There is a reason why you never saw a chemtrail in any picture or featured film before 1980… it’s because they didn’t exist back then. A contrail is the normal discharge from a jet airliner. Contrails look like a short, white steam cloud that dissipates quickly.

Chemtrails are chemically induced trails which were originally dismissed by the government as contrails, only later ot be admitted that they were being used in weather modification projects. A chemtrail starts out in a similar fashion as a contrail, except the chemtrail doesn’t dissipate. Instead, it stays in the atmosphere and expands, clouding up the skies.

One of the key ingredients in chemtrails, as evidenced in numerous water samples, is barium, in various forms. As mentioned, barium is a key ingredient in holographic technology.

The Last Card

Dr. Carol Rosin warned us about the weaponization of space through her professional relationship with ex-Nazi scientists, Dr. Wernher von Braun, who warned Rosin about the following external threats that would be created as a false flag by the United States government:

“They’re inventing enemies he (Von Braun) said, against whom they are going to build this space-based weapon system—the first of whom was the Russians which was existing at that time. Then there would be terrorists, then there would be third world countries, now we call them rogue nations or nations of concern. Then there would be asteroids. And then he would repeat to me over and over ‘and the last card, the last, the last card would be the extraterrestrial threat’…you will find that there is going to be a spin to find some enemy against whom we have to build space based weapons and now we should expect the spin.”

•Space-based weapon system: Reagan’s Star Wars Program.
•Terrorist threat: 9-11
•3rd Word Countries threat: North Korea
•Asteroid threat: Elenin (while not classified as an asteroid, the apparent government psyops would assimilate Elenin into this category)
•Extraterrestrial threat: to be announced…

Tupac Hologram

In other news, the late Tupac Shakur appeared at Coachella as a hologram and in a stunning finale, he exploded into nothingness on stage. If the mainstream media can make Tupac look this real, then what else are they capable of doing, such as creating false flag events that never happened?

The next future dead celebrity to be showcased as a hologram will be Elvis Presley.

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Operation Osiris

On September 7 2003, all emergency services and members of London Underground took part in Operation Osiris at Bank Tube station. The hypothetical scenario was a chemical attack on the Underground.

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Of all names, why would they call this “Operation OSIRIS”?

Osiris was an Egyptian god, usually called the god of the Afterlife. Osiris is one of the oldest gods for whom records have been found; one of the oldest known attestations of his name is on the Palermo Stone of around 2500 BC. He was widely worshiped until the suppression of the Egyptian religion during the Christian era. The most commonly encountered family relationship describes Horus as the son of Isis and Osiris.

Both Horus and Osiris were resurrected by Isis with help from Thoth after being killed by Set the evil brother of Osiris. In one legend Osiris’s body is cut into pieces and scattered throughout Egypt, Isis set out to look for the pieces and she was able to find and put together 13 of the 14 parts, but was unable to find the 14th and most important part, his penis, instead, she fashioned a “phallus out of gold” and sang a song around Osiris until he came back to life. Thus Osiris was resurrected and so it was that Isis conceived Horus. Due to this experience, Osiris became Lord of the Dead, and the Afterlife.

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When Osiris was killed, his body was dismembered. Isis found most of the parts except for his sexual organ, to which she had a cast of his erected penis made, and she sent it to all of the temples in Egypt. It was decreed by Isis that in Egypt, all of the temples had to display the male sexual organ of Osiris in an erected state in a prominent place in the temple. This is why you have steeples on your churches, today.

The obelisk is a representation of the erect penis. It stands for the power, or potency, of the virile male.

The pharoahs of later dynasties switched their obelisk erecting affections to Osiris; God of the earth, vegetation and the Nile flood that gave life to all Egypt; God of rebirth; God also of the Underworld, the Last Judgement and Life and Death.

The obelisk at the Vatican is surrounded by a circle. This obelisk is the point within a circle, representing the union of Osiris and Isis.After erecting Caligula’s obelisk in St Peter’s Square in 1586 Pope Sixtus V exorcised it, consecrated it and surmounted it with a Holy Cross.

For the record, the Washington Monument obelisk is the tallest obelisk in the world. It is 6666 inches high and 666 inches wide along each side at the base. These numbers are not a coincidence.

Did a British Airways Commercial Foreshadow the Illuminati Card, “Combined Disasters”?

The Illuminati Playing cards have prophecized many events, including 9-11. In the “Combined Disasters” card, one can clearly see Big Ben tumbling down while in the forefront while a man wearing a yellow shirt is shown to have a zombie-like appearance.

To the left of the tumbling Big Ben, a pillar is shown falling. The pillar is prominently displayed in the British Airways commercial as well.

When you trace who owns all of the mainstream media, you will find Zionists at the top of the heap. Not only that, but President Obama’s cabinet is comprised of Zionists. Keep in mind that the cabinet is selected, not elected. Both Obama and Vice president Joe Biden are Zionists.

Now what?

Whether Project Blue Beam is scheduled to occur this year or at any other time in the near distant future, the plan appears to be evolving.

While Project Bluebeam would be a fascinating “show” to those who know what it is all about, the end result will not be pretty if fully employed, resulting in a One World government, army, banking system and religion.

As evidenced by numerous high ranking military officials during the Disclosure Project, there are many benevolent extraterrestrials who are watching over us and are protecting the planet from these types of tyranny and oppression.

It is also possible that nothing will happen. Perhaps Project Bluebeam is simply a PSYOP?

In the end, I don’t think Project Blue Beam will ever come to fruition because benevolent extraterrestrials will not allow it to occur, but for those keeping track of its progression, it’s still on course to be unveiled in the near future. Just the mere exposing of this material could be enough to deter plans or prevent those plans from happening. In the event that something major occurs, you will at least understand why it’s happening and you will be an integral part of the debunking of the end results for a New World Order plan that will inevitably fail.

Gregg Prescott, in5d 8 Comments [7/18/2015 1:42:58 AM]
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Quote# 116215

All these deaths- WTF is going on?

So another celeb has died, again in his 60s.

Just WTF is going on?

Has the memo gone out to fake their deaths so they can get to the bunker?

Fukishima?

The bible says during, the end times so many thousand people will be spared from various and taken to heaven, could this be it?

This many deaths is not normal at all!

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 11 Comments [1/22/2016 4:19:20 AM]
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Quote# 125796

Why does the world find it so easy to believe in Islamic terror and so-called Islamic extremism, when the obvious source of extremist acts are murderous plots by Zionist Jews? What does Islam have to do with any of it? The murderous, destructive wars of modern times all originate from rabid, extremist Zionists, including that arch-treacherous one, that deviant of deviants, David Rockefeller, may God condemn his soul.

Thus, once again, so-called Islamic extremism has nothing to do with it. Rather, this globe is filled with great acts of horror and terror committed by Islam’s enemies, which are hostile, bloodthirsty Zionist agents.

drkresearch, No Disinfo 3 Comments [3/29/2017 1:10:44 PM]
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Quote# 127240

Mainstream media’s call for the mass murder of vaccine skeptics proves the vaccine industry is a terrorist organization

The editors of the Boston Herald recently made tremendous waves by publishing a hit piece on vaccine skepticism, and even going so far as to say that promoting awareness of the potential health hazards created by vaccines should be punishable by death. In the so-called land of the free, it seems that the thought police are out in full force — and they’re ready to pounce on anyone who dares to stand against the will of Big Pharma. Since when is it illegal for any citizen in this country to openly question the safety of a product that it is literally being foisted upon them by their own governments? Apparently, the people at the Boston Herald feel that the First Amendment only applies to them and opinions that they find agreeable. Under the First Amendment, these shills were able to publish their own fictitious and inflammatory statements:

“These are the facts: Vaccines don’t cause autism. Measles can kill. And lying to vulnerable people about the health and safety of their children ought to be a hanging offense,” the Herald writers state.

There are several key issues with this statement. First of all, the issue of whether or not vaccines cause autism is far from definitive, as research has shown that vaccinated children are substantially more likely to develop autism or other neuro-developmental disorders. And as Mike Adams explains, more children in the US have died from vaccines than measles in recent years.

Secondly, regardless of their absolute intent, the use of the term “hanging offense” explicitly implies that those who do not conform ought to be punished. Even if they don’t actually want to hang free-thinking individuals, the point they are getting across is that people who think differently ought to be punished. Killing or jailing people who believe differently than you — does that sound familiar? It almost echoes the Third Reich, only instead of purging society of people based on religious beliefs, the Herald wishes to rid the country of people who dare to think for themselves, instead of blindly being led by what the media tells them is “true.”

Vicki Batts, Natural News 6 Comments [5/17/2017 12:32:44 PM]
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Quote# 107183

As healthcare consumers and parents, we need to risk being “rude” and ask our care providers hard questions, like:

o Do you receive gifts from the company whose medicine you just prescribed for my child?

o How much time, roughly, have you spent independently researching the safety of the procedure you are recommending? (And are you aware that your medical education may not be as impartial as you’d thought? One review found that “Of Harvard’s 8,900 professors and lecturers, 1,600 admit that either they or a family member have had some kind of business link to drug companies — sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars — that could bias their teaching or research.”

o What will happen if my child is injured by this vaccine? (You fill out a report, and hope the government agrees with your assessment and helps you care for your child. This process can take years.)

o Can I sue if my child is injured or killed by vaccines? (No, pharmaceutical companies have immunity. You can fill out the report mentioned above, but the maximum payout is only $250,000 per child in the case of death. Pharmaceutical companies don’t pay that, the American public does. Every vaccine comes with a special tax that pays into a fund. Payments in excess of $250,000 are sometimes paid to families whose children need intensive or lifelong care, but many families are denied compensation. You will not have an opportunity to have the case tried before a jury of your peers.)

o How many people have died from measles in the U.S. this year? (None)

o Has the U.S. ever conducted a study that compares the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated children? (No.)

o How are vaccines tested for safety? (Because the position of pharmaceutical companies is that it is unethical to withhold a vaccine for the purpose of a trial, the safety of new vaccines is often tested by giving one group the new vaccine and one group an older version it is meant to replace. As a result, you don’t get a comparison of how many adverse effects occur when compared to a neutral placebo such as saline, but rather whether or not the new vaccine causes more reactions than the last one.)

Heather, Mommypotamus 9 Comments [3/19/2015 3:29:09 AM]
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Quote# 132948

It isn’t deep. The Zionists get about 100 pieces of legislation through Congress every year. They rule by fear. When it falls apart people will see how deep it is. Zionism is like Rupert Murdoch. Hugely influential but no popular base. Where are the Zionist cultural centers in Dakota and Arkansas?

Maghlawatan, MondoWeiss 4 Comments [10/13/2017 2:50:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 118448

Fear-mongering rumors of an impending Yellowstone false flag event, an alleged plan by a sinister group linked to government, to induce artificially an eruption of the Yellowstone Supervolcano that could lead to an extinction level event (ELE) are gaining traction in the doomsday blogosphere and spreading fear and panic among the susceptible readers.

The rumors follow reports of increased activity that have sparked fears that the Yellowstone volcano could erupt.

And even as rumors of an alleged impending Yellowstone false flag event spread, UFO hunters are scrutinizing closely new YouTube footage allegedly showing a UFO crashing at a spot in the Yellowstone National Park near the Yellowstone Supervolcano (see YouTube below).

The video purportedly showing a massive UFO crashing near the supervolcano has sparked rumors of sinister experiments at Yellowstone linked to an alleged plan to stage a false flag operation that involves inducing artificially a massive eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.

The footage (see above) captured by an amateur videographer, called Shawn, shows a large object burning up in the sky and then crashing at a spot in the Yellowstone National Park reportedly close to the supervolcano on the morning of April 18, 2016.

Some UFO conspiracy theorists, such as UFO Sightings Daily editor Scott Waring, believe the object is an alien UFO spacecraft that crashed to Earth, possibly while monitoring the volcano for signs of increased activity.

Commenting on the incident, Waring pointed out that it would be difficult to locate the crash site in the vast expanse of wilderness that constitutes the Yellowstone National Park. But he argued that the fact that the object crashed at such an isolated area suggests a deliberate choice by an alien pilot attempting to avoid contact with humans.

But other conspiracy theorists have linked the incident with rumors about a sinister, clandestine plan to stage a Yellowstone false flag attack by triggering a major eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.

Fear-mongering rumors of a plan to stage a false flag attack by artificially triggering an eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano appear to have originated on the blog The Common Sense Show.

On April 19, 2016, the blog published a letter it allegedly received from an “anonymous source” that identified as a “geologist and geophysicist.”

The anonymous letter writer alleged that a clandestine group, apparently linked to government, was planning to artificially induce an eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano by conducting “fracking-style” activity near the supervolcano.

“We discovered fracking that was going on at the site of one of our investigations [at Yellowstone] in which the quakes in the area were increasing exponentially,” the letter read.

“It was our operating hypothesis that the fracking was able to redirect pressure point of any quake or subsequent magma eruption…,” the letter continued.

“Based on the limited data set available, it looks like the ‘frackers’ were experimenting… in other words, somebody was trying to assess if they could cause a series of eruptions at Yellowstone.”

The anonymous source went on to say he obtained information from another colleague working independently at Yellowstone that the group was also investigating other methods — including “electromagnetic interference” — that could be used to induce an eruption of the supervolcano.

The anonymous letter writer then alleged that scientific evidence shows that the recent earthquake in Ecuador was not caused naturally but was induced artificially. According to the anonymous writer, Ecuador was used to test a technology that could soon be applied to trigger a catastrophic eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano.

“The quakes in Ecuador are not natural and do not follow expected patterns,” the letter said. “Ecuador could be a test for what is coming to Yellowstone. If this technology was directed to the highly volatile Yellowstone region… I can tell you without hesitation that one-third of the country would be completely uninhabitable for years. Tens of millions of people would die.”

According to the purveyors of the Yellowstone false flag conspiracy theory, the clip allegedly showing a UFO crashing at Yellowstone actually shows the test run of a technology to induce an eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano. But some supporters of the theory that the footage shows a UFO crashing have argued that the UFO crash theory is not necessarily inconsistent with the Yellowstone false flag theory, and that both probably complement each other.

It is believed widely in the UFO community that there is a major top-secret government-alien UFO base beneath the Old Faithful geyser. The government-linked group planning the false flag operation, according to UFO conspiracy theorists, could be working with an alien race to achieve it goals.

Volcanoes are recognized widely as UFO hotspots. According to UFOlogists, frequent sightings of UFOs near the world’s major volcanoes, such as Popocatepetl and Colima in Mexico, show that extraterrestrials take an interest in Earth’s volcanoes. It is claimed that alien scientists observe Earth’s volcano to understand the planet’s geology while other UFO experts point to alleged evidence that aliens often choose to locate their UFO bases beneath volcanoes because humans are unable to access them.

Scott Waring and other conspiracy theorists, Inquisitr 8 Comments [4/24/2016 5:49:51 PM]
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Quote# 133752

THE Moon landings between 1969 and 1972 never took place and were staged by the US intelligence community, a controversial filmmaker has claimed.

Bart Sibrel claims he has proof the CIA orchestrated the famous Apollo 11 moon landing – and believes no one has ever stepped on the lunar surface because it is too dangerous. Speaking exclusively to Daily Star Online, Sibrel reckons mankind would have set up bases by now if it was possible to travel to the moon.

And he believes the historic event took place in a film set and the crew were actors given instructions by the CIA through ear pieces. Rockets designed in the 1960s, according to Sibrel, were unable to exit the Earth's orbit and would never be able to resist a deadly radiation belt en route to the Moon.

Yet the manned Apollo 11 lunar landing on July 20, 1969, is regarded as one of humanity's greatest achievements. And today marks the historic event's 48th anniversary. Millions worldwide remember where they were the moment Neil Armstrong declared: "It's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind."

But Sibrel claims it is all a sham. The filmmaker has been on a mission since the age of 24 to prove the landings were a major cover-up.

Sibrel said he has obtained raw, unedited footage from NASA – that was never released to the public – that features radio conversation between crew and a third confidential party that prompts the astronauts with what to say and when to speak. Sibrel, who directed the film A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, says: "I consider it not a theory, I consider it a fact.

"For the first three years making the movie, I was under the idea it might not be true. "Then I obtained an outtakes reel." In the footage, a voice says "talk" before Armstrong relays back to Mission Control in Houston – Nasa's headquarters. Sibrel believes this is a third-party voice – he assumes from a CIA agent – prompting Armstrong to speak and what to say.

The 51-year-old said the idea of man setting foot on The Moon is "absurd" and said they were used to force the public's gaze away from the Vietnam War. "If it was so easy in 1969, there would be bases on the moon by now", he added. "(Christopher) Columbus sailed to the new world and it is absurd to say they could do something that cannot be completed today. "They (the public) cannot see it clearly because it's a religious event to them.

"I once spoke to a college professor and asked him if it was revealed Neil Armstrong didn't step foot on the moon, would they believe it? He said he would still think it was real."

Sibrel cites the studies of aerospace engineer Wernher von Braun as another reason why humanity has yet to make it to the Moon successfully.He said the Van Allen Belt – 272 miles from Earth – is impenetrable due to its high levels of radiation and a space rocket capable of reaching the Moon would need to be the size of the Empire State Building and weigh the same as the Queen Mary cruise liner.

Sibrel also claims the Moon is hit by mega micro meteorite storms every 48 hours capable of killing astronauts instantly and damaging space craft. While Sibrel is adamant he has proof the landings are a hoax, he said his family has endured death threats and he took no enjoyment from researching the topic.

He added: "George Orwell said 'who controls the past controls the future'. "Woodrow Wilson was the US president in the 1920s and he said there was a shadow government above him pulling the strings. "I am going to put it all behind me. I've not enjoyed this process in the slightest. "I got kicked out of church, I got unfriended by many people because of what I believe, that the Moon landings are fake. "It's been an interesting experience but so be it.

Bart Sibrel, Daily Star Online 6 Comments [11/3/2017 7:16:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 55730

[Either RSTDT or CTSTDT, I wasn't sure so I did a coin toss....]

So what? Have you ever read an article published in 1919 in the American Hebrew? In it, the jewish author claims that "6 million" jews are being genocided in a "Holocaust" - it is the first time "Holocaust" is know to have appeared anywhere. google it. read it. Tick tock, tick tock - sense something wrong with the picture?

Focoist911, YT 4 Comments [1/7/2009 4:36:27 PM]
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Submitted By: DevilsChaplain

Quote# 118996

Are the elite intentionally using the Olympics to spread Zika worldwide?

Zika, which bioterrorism expert Dr. Francis A. Boyle described as a souped-up bioweapon, could spread to thousands of international tourists visiting the upcoming Rio de Janeiro Olympics and lead to martial law scenarios across the world.

Zika is rapidly spreading throughout Rio de Janeiro, with scientists baffled by this “new, different, and vastly more dangerous” strain that’s overwhelming the Brazilian military’s efforts to contain the disease, yet both the International Olympic Committee and the World Health Organization are severely downplaying the risk of Zika.

But President Obama has seemingly prepared for such an outbreak by signing an executive order to apprehend Americans who merely show signs of “respiratory illness.”

In particular, Obama’s order allows for the detainment of Americans who display “severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled.”

Of course, the order is so broad that during a Zika outbreak, people who have a common cold could be targeted by the government.

And it’s likely that other governments would also react to an outbreak in the same manner, and the threat of a Zika pandemic spreading outside Latin America is very real, according to Harvard scientists.

Kit Daniels, Infowars 5 Comments [5/16/2016 3:22:10 AM]
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Quote# 24749

[On 9/11 flight 93]

Is it even physically possible that a plane travelling hundreds of mph will hit sand and "tunnel right in" without leaving any debris above ground? If a plane crashes on the soft beach sand, does it "tunnel in", or does it break into pieces?

I think that can ruled out.

Robo, Loose Change 1 Comments [4/14/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Gravy

Quote# 24668

Lots of stuff happening before the top falls. Its in reverse to all known properties of physics in this universe....you get the floors popping out before the weight gets down to them. For a natural collapse there sure is lots of debris being ejected.

FM258, Loose Change 2 Comments [4/13/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Gravy

Quote# 138214

TRUMP IS A STEALTH APPRENTICE OF GEORGE SOROS!!!!!!!

THINK ABOUT IT, IN EVERY BUSINESS DEAL THAT TRUMP HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, IT WAS GEORGE SOROS WHO BEHIND THE SCENES WHO SUPERVISED AND INVESTED HIS OWN MONEY FOR TRUMPS SUCCESS!!!!!!

AND TRUMP OWES SOROS ABOUT $2 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!!!!!! AND....... YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!!

HmmmmmAS S, Godlike Productions 5 Comments [6/19/2018 1:37:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 109887

Tiananmen Square ‘massacre’ was a myth

How many times have we been told that the U.S. is an “open” society and the media are “free”?

Usually such claims are made when criticizing other countries for not being “open,” especially countries that don’t follow Washington’s agenda.

If you live in the United States and depend on the supposedly “free” and “open” commercial media for information, you would without a doubt believe that the Chinese government massacred “hundreds, perhaps thousands” of students in Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989. That phrase has been repeated tens of thousands of times by the media of this country.

But it’s a myth. Furthermore, the U.S. government knows it’s a myth. And all the major media know it too. But they refuse to correct the record because of the basic hostility of the U.S. imperialist ruling class to China.

On what do we base this assertion? Several sources.

The most recent is a WikiLeaks release of cables sent from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing to the State Department in June 1989, a few days after the events in China.

Second is an assertion in November 1989 by the Beijing bureau chief of the New York Times, an assertion that has never again been referred to by that newspaper.

And third is the account of what happened by the Chinese government itself, which is corroborated by the first two.

Only one major Western newspaper has published the WikiLeaks cables. That was the Telegraph of London on June 4 of this year, exactly 22 years after the Chinese government called out the troops in Beijing.

Two cables dated July 7, 1989 — more than a month after the fighting — related the following:

“A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard. He said that most of the troops which entered the square were actually armed only with anti-riot gear — truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers.”

A following cable stated: “A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: Although gunfire could be heard, he said that apart from some beating of students, there was no mass firing into the crowd of students at the monument.”

It should be remembered that Chile at that time was ruled by Gen. Augusto Pinochet, who had come to power in a violent, anti-socialist, U.S.-supported right-wing coup in which thousands of leftists, including President Salvador Allende, had been killed. The “Chilean diplomat” referred to would have been no friend of China.

Not one U.S. newspaper, television or radio outlet has reported or commented on these cables released by WikiLeaks, nor on the Telegraph story about them. It is as though they fell into a bottomless chasm.

Is it because the media here don’t believe the report is credible? Hardly.

They knew the truth in 1989

The New York Times knows it’s credible. Their own Beijing bureau chief at the time, Nicholas Kristof, confirmed it in an extensive article entitled “China Update: How the Hardliners Won,” published in the Sunday Times magazine on Nov. 12, 1989, five months after the supposed massacre in the square.

At the very end of this long article, which purported to give an inside view of a debate within the Chinese Communist Party leadership, Kristof stated categorically: “Based on my observations in the streets, neither the official account nor many of the foreign versions are quite correct. There is no massacre in Tiananmen Square, for example, although there is plenty of killing elsewhere.”

Even though Kristof’s article was harshly critical of China, his statement that there was “no massacre in Tiananmen Square” immediately drew howls of protest from China bashers in the U.S., as reflected in the Times’ letters column.

Had there been fighting in Beijing? Absolutely. But there was no massacre of unarmed students in the square. That was an invention by the West, intended to demonize the Chinese government and win public sympathy for a counter-revolution.

The turn toward a market economy under Deng Xiaoping had alienated many workers. There was also a counter-revolutionary element trying to take advantage of popular grievances to completely restore capitalism.

The imperialists were hoping the struggles in Beijing would bring down the Chinese Communist Party and destroy the planned economy — similar to what was to happen two years later in the Soviet Union. They wanted to “open up” China, not to truth, but to the looting of the people’s property by imperialist banks and corporations.

After much wavering at the top, the army was called out and the uprising crushed. China was not broken up like the Soviet Union; its economy has not imploded nor has the standard of living declined. Quite the opposite. Wages and social conditions have been improving at a time when workers elsewhere are being forced backward by a severe capitalist economic crisis.

Despite deep concessions to capitalism, foreign and domestic, China continues to have a planned economy based on a strong state-owned infrastructure.

["Articles copyright 1995-2012 Workers World. Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium without royalty provided this notice is preserved."]

Deirdre Griswold, Workers World 8 Comments [6/22/2015 3:10:31 AM]
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Quote# 78281

There is not a doubt in my military mind that in America and England the flame of revolution burns bright.

In the words of Twisted Sister, we aren't gonna take it anymore.

In fact, here in Montana the revolution has already begun - last summer in Hamilton scores of heavily armed militia marched down the main street in a Patriotic display directed against our oppressive federal government.

Also, numerous sheriffs in Montana have been warned by Patriots not to allow federal official into their counties for any purpose other than to deliver the mail.

The Tea Party is the peaceful arm of The Second American Revolution with the focus on winning elections; however, in nearly every state in the Union, armed Patriot militias are either in existence, or being formed.

Who knows? After this winter of our discontent, the spring may bring sounds of civil war. If revolution does break out in America it will quickly spread to England.

In the words of one wag, "When America sneezes, England gets a cold."

Ronbo, Sarah Maid of Albion 31 Comments [12/26/2010 3:45:29 PM]
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Submitted By: Wise Son

Quote# 38505

Look.... Paganism was the 1st world order, monotheism was the next world order, which is almost at it's end now. The New Age will be the next world order, the NWO..... They'll be using global warming sham to get everyone on board this "we are one, lets save the world"... And at that point people will no longer be allowed to view themselves as sovereign, independent individuals..

snake321, Wrongplanet 4 Comments [4/30/2008 9:44:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Name goes here

Quote# 105848

They, the reptilians are the reason why our world is so corrupt. Obama? He's a puppet. And of course all that i am saying, you are already aware of.
The reptilian race have many bases around the world. You have seen at least one reptilian on the media. In human form, most of the time, but not 100%. These shapeshifters are drinkers of human blood. They can fight/kill 5 men at the same time, no problem. They are behind the illuminati, cia, fbi, the media and so on. They have only one interest with us and that is to enslave us all. All the human souls they could harvest then, no problem. Think about it.

A well known book here on GLP i believe:

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As an extra, i am attaching a youtube video that i just found of Angela Merkel before and after. Take a look at what she is NOW.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 11 Comments [1/16/2015 4:36:18 AM]
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Quote# 93363

[Topic: "Big Black Delta UFOs are actually government stealth blimps"]

any of you see kung pow they had the same airships except they were gold color and it was triangle....what i believe is that since the government controls what can be broadcasted and showed to the public they would put in top secret stuff in movies so that people would think it was alll in the movie and it wasnt really true...and so when we accuse them of not telling us about top secret stuff they would say LOOK WE SHOWED THE PUBLIC IN MOVIES,VIDEO GAMES, SHOWS, etc

just a thought

CookieMonster000, Above Top Secret 19 Comments [3/26/2013 3:45:32 AM]
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Submitted By: J. James

Quote# 120232

Stalin never believed that Hitler shot himself in the bunker. There is rather too much circumstantial evidence out there pointing to Hitler and Eva Braun having lived out the rest of their lives in Argentina, to be dismissed as just a daft fantasy. I've read quite a bit on the subject over the years. Hitler escaped to Argentina I now believe. How he got there is open to speculation. I suspect that if Monty had had his way and spearheaded his advance to Berlin, and liberated that city before the Red Army had got there I reckon Hitler, and some of his staff would have thrown themselves on the mercy of 'The English' like Napoleon had done over a century earlier. These people were living in a dream world of unreality that we could ever understand today with the benefit of hind sight. If General Patton had beaten Monty to Berlin, Hitler might have done the just same except for they contempt the Nazis had for Roosevelt and his dew ish cronies. Imagine what the Russians would have done with great beast himself if they had captured him alive? So for Hitler it was a stark choice between either an ignominious death in a cave, or a new life somewhere out of reach of the allies. The Fuhrer chose Argentina.

Proper Ganda, Daily Express 0 Comments [7/4/2016 3:54:39 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn