In general, Asians appreciate and cultivate aspects of Western culture more than any other non-white group. My Indian friends went to British schools and they read all the same books I did growing up, even American authors like Louisa May Alcott and Nathaniel Hawthorne. I listen to a classical music station daily and most of the hot young classical artists these days are Chinese. But in the time I spent abroad, among other things, I became convinced that the idea of adoring nature is a product of the West. Before Edmund Hillary made his summit of Mt. Everest and made the Himalayas into a world-class destination for mountaineers, Nepali and Tibetan ethnic people did not go mountain-climbing. They regard it as dangerous and foolhardy. They only do it nowadays days if they are working for the tourist industry. They make magnificent trekking guides. They will risk their lives for you. But trekking is never something they would do for recreation.
If you get stranded high on a mountain and you're a foreign tourist, they'll send a helicopter rescue for you. If you're Nepali, they'll leave you up there; you were supposed to have sense enough not to go there in the first place.
The majority of trekkers who visit Nepal come from the United States, Europe, and Australia, with a small percentage from Japan. White people of Northern European extraction have a solid reputation for being the only people who would spend big bucks on a vacation where you will most certainly get dysentery, pick leeches off you, and possibly even get killed.
I've trekked in remote areas of the Himalayas, which is as close as you can get to outer space without leaving the planet. The ethnic people there are very suspicious of foreigners. Unless you're a scientist or a missionary, they can't make sense of why you're there. Why would anyone go out of their way just to look at beautiful scenery? My brother-in-law once made a cross-country road trip and drove 100 miles out of his way to visit the Grand Canyon. Afterwards he said, what's the big deal? It's just a big hole in the ground.â
Most definitely all Asians are not like him. But I used to think that being awestruck by nature was something hardwired into human beings. Now, I think of it as primarily a feature of white people and my experience has consistently borne that out.
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"My Indian friends went to British schools and they read all the same books I did growing up, even American authors like Louisa May Alcott and Nathaniel Hawthorne."
There's a reason for that. British colonialism pretty much extinguished Indian literature as an acceptable concept.
I have to disagree with Old Viking, this is racist. It's that peculiar breed that infect the well traveled, the kind that sees other cultures as sights to be scrapbooked rather than experiences to be celebrated. The kind of person who mistakes the view being sold to them as a tourist with the authentic thing.
I have an aunt like that. Talk about Italy and she complains about the dirty Roma. Talk about India and she complains about the beggars. It's not a great look.
Tourism is predominately an economic activity. Few people outside the prosperous West have the time or the cash to take these sort of trips.
However, the increasing prosperity of China and the SE Asian 'Tiger' economies have seen an increase in these exact sort of trips being undertaken by people with a genetic make up similar to that derided by the OP. Thus showing him to be wrong.
So non-white people can't be awestruck by nature? Yeah, that's pretty fucking racist.
The reason why most Asians, Africans, etc. don't do that as much as white people do, is because historical circumstance led to the majority of wealth being concentrated in the hands of white countries. What you describe is a middle-class thing out of reach (or once in a lifetime) for the vast majority of humanity. Imagine in some alternate history where Africa had all the wealth, and black people are scrambling all over each other to climb the Alps as they pass hordes of dirt-stained Europeans.
"If you get stranded high on a mountain and you're a foreign tourist, they'll send a helicopter rescue for you. If you're Nepali, they'll leave you up there; you were supposed to have sense enough not to go there in the first place."
Could also have to do with the fact that helicopter rescues at those altitudes are extremely difficult and risky.
Climbing Everest is dangerous. It's a dangerous thing to do. Lots of people try to do it and have failed. Not wanting to do it, not wanting to die on a mountainside, is not reflective of lack of respect for nature... it's just common sense. Also, an alternative interpretation could be that not wanting to climb up a mountain actually shows more respect for nature. It shows understanding of the power of nature and the fact that it might just kill you. Don't get me wrong, I am not agreeing with this guy that all these things divide strictly along racial or even cultural lines. I have never witnessed that at all.
In terms of marvelling at nature, I have two points:
1) If you see something every day, if it becomes everyday to you, it is going to seem boring to you and it is going to seem dumb that tourists are interested in it. I live in a tourist city and when I see tourists taking pictures of local landmarks as if they're fantastic and amazing part of me just thinks "Why?". That "Why?" is because I've seen that same thing every day for my entire life and it's not exciting to me anymore.
2) You do not need to climb a mountain to be awestruck by the beauty of a mountain. To me, the best place to observe a mountain is from a distance. When you're up there, on the mountainside, pretty much all you can see is sheets of white snow. It's nothing like as beautiful as seeing the same mountain from a distance. Mountain climbing, to me, doesn't seem to have much to do with admiring the beauty of nature. It's more about being the conqueror of nature. It's an ego thing.
If anyone thinks tourism is an insult to people in remote areas and should be stopped,share your views with them. They'll tell you they count heavily on the money that comes from travelers in their heritage areas. I wish(really) that everyone had a comfortable lifestyle. It's not that way. I feel there is enough wealth in the world to make it so.But that makes me a damned socialist, doesn't it.Thoughtful tourism is not rubbing it in indigenous peoples faces. Especially if you take the time to know them and share with them and let them share their hospitality however meager. Travel brings us closer together,if done with a mindful spirit.Most people who do arduous adventure type travel rather than luxury vacations seek this very experience.Wherever you go domestic or foreign,join the celebration if there is one.
"The majority of trekkers who visit Nepal come from the United States, Europe, and Australia, with a small percentage from Japan."
First thought 'trekkers' was 'trekkies'.
There is some truth in that admiration of mountain scenery is cultural. The first European to have been recorded climbing a mountain for pleasure was Petrarch in 1336, before which it seems that it did not occur to anyone to do this. And until the Romantic Movement in the early 1800s, people thought of the Lake District as ugly and frightening.
Although love of nature is an integral part of Japanese culture, and, I believe, Native American.
I will declare a bias here as a retired climber myself.
"But I used to think that being awestruck by nature was something hardwired into human beings. Now, I think of it as primarily a feature of white people and my experience has consistently borne that out."
+1 for at least believing they are human
-9 for believing the appreciation of nature only comes from "white" people.
Overall Racist Score: 1/10
Should be on RSTDT not FSDST.
Maybe he is right about people in Nepal not appreciating the mountains like they should, but I fail to see the point how that says all Asians or non-whites for that matter to have no appreciation of nature.
It's not a feature of white people, you ethnocentric dumbshit. It's a feature of people who have enough money and leisure time to go sightseeing.
It's also dependent on what people were exposed to as children. There's a big push in the outdoor sports industry to get non-white Americans interested in outdoor sports because most of them didn't have those experiences as kids.
"The ethnic people there are very suspicious of foreigners. Unless you're a scientist or a missionary, they can't make sense of why you're there. Why would anyone go out of their way just to look at beautiful scenery?"
Mongolians are noted for their extreme hospitality. Also, Bear Grylls, Ray Mears & Sir Ranulph Fiennes.
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@Swede
"India was colonized by the Brits, who infused their culture into Indian society."
A question for Paulie here: is Baseball regarded as all but a religion in India & Pakistan, the way it became popular in Japan & Korea ? So why isn't Cricket the most popular bat & ball game in the US, and Baseball is played less than Lacrosse: a sport native to that country, played by the Iroquois ?
The Compton Cricket Club would like a word with Paul.
Honey, Asians are a very large group. There is nothing "in general" about them.
India was colonized by the Brits, who infused their culture into Indian society.
There are quite a lot of tourist corpses in the Himlalayas too, ya know.
You should as the Native Americans about adoring nature...
The argument seems to be something like: locals do not show the naïve, giddy enthusiasm of tourists. This must be a racial difference.
I think a more reasonable interpretation is: locals don't act like tourists because they are not tourists. This is where they live.
Some Parisians intentionally seek out the Eiffel Tower once a year for Bastille day, for the fireworks and the show. Londoners might only see St Paul's when they're crossing the river to see a gallery. No matter who you are, no matter where you are, no matter what race you are, hometown people just do not act like tourists.
Edit: I am aware that the Eiffel Tower and St Paul's cathedral are not natural phenomena. The point I am trying to make is simply that people do not respond to their hometown/local environment in the same way tourists do. It is not a racial divide.
It's not a feature of White people, it's a feature of people who don't have to struggle for clean water, food, and a comfortable temperature every day of their lives.
"adoring nature is a product of the West"
You could say that, and you should have learned that when your music or art teacher talked about the early 19th century. And then, if you study a bit more, you learn about Animists, Daoists and Chinese landscape painting.
You're so very smart yet you didn't notice that the Western world is the cash cow?
Pretty sure your daddy told you that before he locked you into your opulent residence. People that talk like this have always coasted into comfort and have no understanding of struggle or planning for a future, People that talk like this have nothing but time to bullshit about their betters.
People. America and Northern Europe is the disposable income zones. Other countries will pander to us for profit, not total subservient surrender to a superior recognition. WE'RE A VITAL MARKET. So far.
When I was a young man, all visitors wanted to see Niagara Falls. My brother would say, "Niagara Falls? Hell, turn on the faucet and look at the end of a Shredded Wheat box. Same damned thing."
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