[This post centres upon sea water concentration ... enjoy]
You have not explained what happened to the salt. What makes you think there was a change in concentration of salinity?
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Where in the Bible is there one accurate description of anything on Earth? Even much that was known then isn't documented at all.
Because it in NO WAY is a historical collection of books.
And the concentration of salt issue? Creationist strawman with no case in reality. No one in science has ever suggested there could be a formula that could gauge the varied periods and levels of erosion and settling of salt and therefor there has never been an ideal level of salt based on the age of the Earth or it's oceans.
Wait, what?
Wouldn't that kill EVERYTHING? Including plants? So when the Flood was over Noah, his family and the animals would have starved to death?
And this is why there is no evidence of such a Flood existing. If there were, the original geologists would have found it, and despite what you say, they had absolutely no motive to lie.
I've heard this argument before: that there were pockets of freshwater in the saltwater; a sort of oil and water phenomenon with freshwater and saltwater. It's every bit as dumb as claiming that pouring dirty water (even gently) into clean water will still leave you with a bunch of clean water, and that's without taking the stirring effect (such as is caused by the tides) into account.
So the entire land surface of the earth was soaked in salt water for 400 days, then Noah grew crops in it?
You have not explained how that worked.
Ok. You're saying that the amount of salt in the water was constant. The flood simply added water to the mix, resulting in a lower total salinity that returned to its normal level once the excess water was removed. Makes perfect sense. Nothing in this is in any way strange.
Rainwater is typically freshwater, stupid. If the amount of water doubled suddenly through rain, the salinity would drop drastically, and kill most sea-living animals.
The salinity is neither uniform nor fixed now. Which is yet another nail in the Flood coffin; the drastically changend salinity would, as I said before, kill off lots and lots of sea-living animals.
Salinity is not constant around the globe but in most places it is in a certain range and around 35PSU. However one could postulate that the dramatic mixing that would be caused by the Flood would tend to even it out quite a lot. You could also postulate that salinity would increase because of the massive increase of terrestrial source material. But this is a really silly conversation to have because there is absolutely no evidence for the Flood, nor a mechanism by which such an event could have come about.
I said it before, I will say it again.
This man raised in a Catholic household never believed the tale of Noah's Ark to the letter* even as a little boy.
* I believe it is possible there was a massive flood that was big enough to wipe out Israel, but the tale was SERIOUSLY exaggerated when put into the Bible.
Ancient China. Completely untouched by the so-called 'Global Flood'. Otherwise, how did they exist after said 'Flood', least of all during it?! (check one):
[ ] The landmass China is on was taller than Mount Everest at the time of said 'Flood'. Which completely annihilates your 'Bible', and therefore your religion as a whole.
[ ] The Bible was merely a conglomeration of other, earlier mythologies - including 'Floods' (which were local ). Which completely annihilates your 'Bible', and therefore your religion as a whole.
Choose wisely.
"No more or less overall quantity of salt."
And even if ancient China was affected to some extent by a 'Flood' at that time, then - as today - there's a lot of Tea in China:
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Darth Vader is collecting some seawater, so as to make a refreshing cuppa. Your argument is invalid.
You folks have it pretty well covered but, just to elaborate...
1. There are portions of the Earth's surface that, in billions of years, have never been covered in water.
2. A sudden change in salinity would kill virtually every aquatic organism on the planet whether freshwater or marine.
3. Salinity doesn't really enter into it. The problem Genesis doesn't cover is; where did the water come from and where did it go?
Water which covers 2/3 of the Earth's surface "was moved" so that it covered all of it?
Moving things, I don't know if you've noticed this, doesn't often increase their volume. Try driving your car across the state. Is it now a limousine? Another thing, how on earth have you made yourself appear so stupid I actually felt compelled to ask you to do that experiment? That's an achievement.
Every time I see one of these Noah's Ark posts, I recall how daft it is to take a mythological story literally. You really have to make your mind jump through the most illogical hoops in order to square the story with science.
@Philbert McAdamia
Uh huh. About 3.5%.
I'm not sure what you meant, but what I was trying to say, and obviously somewhat cryptically, was that the easiest way for a Christian to explain salinity inconsistencies is just to say that (according to them) God can do anything and that a little salt wouldn't pose any major problem for him.
Btw, isn't "concentration of salinity" a tautology?
Or maybe it's all a TALL TALE that possibly started with some dude surviving the annual flood of the Nile, Euphrates, ?, with his goats on a raft. Possibly it was conflated with ancient myths arising from the flood of the Black Sea by the Aegean.... BUT NO! You guys have to keep insisting on Captain Noah and his impossible boat or admit your Holy Book was written by some pretty ignorant and gullible slobs just like you ! Why not believe in Paul Bunyan while you're at it? It's written down, so it must be true! /rant
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=8647
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g
A glaring problem with the 'Noah's Flood' with story is; If the water covered every piece of land on Earth it must have been higher than the highest mountain tops. If sea level suddenly ended up being higher than Mount Everest, how on Earth did people breathe? Climbers who tackle that summit have to take oxygen tanks with them to survive.
sooo how would water stay saltier in one area and less so in another if the entire planet is covered for over a month?
never mind, I went to Sunday school... It was a miracle!
tada!
@Atheissimo:
but if the quantity of air doesn't change, and it stays above water, it should be only slightly less than sea level pressure. Sligthly less because the planet just got bigger with the added water, so the atmosphere needs to be thinner to cover the increased surface.
@Skatepunk: Not even Israel, more like Mesopotamia, which is where the Noah story originated.
They probably did have a great flood disaster in that region at some point, and the dimly-remembered event was retold by future generations as the story of the time when the whole world flooded. After all, to them Mesopotamia WAS the whole world.
But try explaining that to a fundie.....
[The biblical Flood simple moves existing water from 2/3rds coverage of the earth to 100%]
So, what happened to all that water AFTER the flood.
So basically "A wizard did it."
One wonders why this wizard needed a flood at all and didn't just blip everyone out of existence except Noah, his peeps and the animals.
@ Checkmate
@Philbert McAdamia
I'm not sure what you meant,
The "simple solution". The oceans are somewhere around 3.5% salt.
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That's all - my lame joke. Sorry to take so long to get back.
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