Why do atheist have a problem with the talking snake in the Garden of eden ?
I will believe in evolution when , a monkey or any animal can build a fire , until then forget it .
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Fire is not evidence of evolution, nor is the ability to build one.
The problem with the talking snake is:
Chimps have been taught to light matches and cigarettes. That's close enough to "build a fire" for me. Ya ready to move the goalpost, david?
I also had a cat that could operate light switches and door knobs. Does that count?
@953129:
No, they don't believe that, they just expect us to believe it. Remember, evolution sounds like magic to them.
LOL @ Illuminatalie. Always the clever one.
Lack of organs to hear would preclude the ability to speak. Snakes don't have enough brain tissue to have evolved speech either.
Apes and other primates already use tools, but since they eat their food raw and are either strong or nimble enough to avoid predators, they have no need of fire.
See, this is what happens when you want real world explanations; you get them.
david f, there are a number of obvious problems with your idea, but perhaps the biggest problem is that you are quite clearly a brain-dead dumbass who knows nothing about even the most basic principles of biology or evolution.
Have a nice day.
I actually watched a show where a Bonobo built a fire. Gathered the firewood, built up the kindling, and struck the match. Now it was being shown how to do all of this by a human, but hey, he just asked for an animal that built a fire.
Oh and as far as snakes, brain structure, vocal cords, etc. Snakes just can't talk. I've got my own fanfic belief that I had when I was a fundie (if you've seen the show Beastmaster you'll know what I'm talking about). I just don't want to say it because I have a feeling these idiots would jump all over it.
The problem with the story is that Eve didn't think "Holy shit a talking snake".
Edit:http://richarddawkins.net/article,3491,Apes-that-write-start-fires-and-play-Pac-Man,Susan-Savage-Rumbaugh-TED
Ok, we are supposed to have no problem with jive talking, dust eating, spontaneously materialising snakes (snakes can do all these things in the bible.) David, pyromaniac monkeys are actually more plausible.
I don't get why these types are so utterly convinced of their non-belief in evolution when none of them seem to have so much of a basic understanding of how it works. It just doesn't make sense to be all like 'I am right and you are wrong!!111' when you have absolutely no understanding of that which you're refuting. Would it really be that difficult to open a book on evolutionary theory so you can actually evaluate the ideas for yourself and make informed arguments, rather than carrying on about snakes evolving in a manner enabling them to speak? Why do these people expect to be taken seriously?
Definitely the vocal cords one.
Well, he's probably smarter than many of the cell phone owners in existence, but he has no thumbs. It's not happening.
"I will believe in evolution when , a monkey or any animal can build a fire , until then forget it . "
hmmm small problem here
the garden of eden-never found
as for the fire thing, there is one type of ape that can build fire, and wheels, and internal combustion engines, and rockets, and houses and ..........
thats right dumbarse, its us
well done you
The only animals to have complex vocal communications faculties (apart from Humans) are Dolphins, Porpoises and Whales.
The nearest thing to communication with humans was the chimpanzee Washoe, and she used sign language taught to her; the complex simian brain recognised the context of such relative to personal desires & feelings (Washoe even taught such to her young), but at least it was the first step to communication between species.
Besides, if everything in the Garden of Eden was 'created' (according to Genesis, not counting the contradictions therein), then how could have the snake 'evolved' with vocal cords, and the higher intelligence to use such? Which is where, I'm afraid, your argument, your fairy story called the Bible, and therefore your beliefs FAIL.
well, if we moved to one of the various translations of the bible we only get "serpent" which, we have no idea what it really means. I propose something in the Rhacodactylus family - perhaps even the species that the natives call "Devil in the Trees" due to its range of sounds.
So: Extremely vocal; we haven't even begun to figure out their communication structure and a reptile.
Now, if you want me to prove that a magic snake once spoke human, I'll remind you that book of yours was written by humans and there is a ton of evidence that the hebrew bible was actually put down by 3 sets of authors to tell the stories of their tradition and hide some other information.
Of course there is always - So long, and thanks for all the fish!
What bothers me is that you crazily accpet stories about talking snakes as fact without any evidence whatsoever, simply because it is in the bible, yet you disregard the huge mountains of evidence supporting evolution.
Your last sentence clearly shows how ignorant you are of evolution, it is analogous to saying that you will believe in gravity when the oceans turn purple, until then forget it.
Also, you are a stupid douchebag. I just wanted to be clear about that.
@ Nowonmai
Fundies get them all the time, they just don't 'get' them.
W”hy do atheist have a problem with the talking snake in the Garden of eden ?”
“They believe in evolution don't they”
"Who says that a snake did not evolve into a creature of higher intelligence than man at one time .”
“I will believe in evolution when , a monkey or any animal can build a fire , until then forget it .”
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