How about this...Man needs absolutes to function. Those absolutes are from God. When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes.
So, what am I saying? I don't think the number of Christians is declining. I think the number of people faced with the fact that Christianity is about absolutes have abandoned their "religion".
2Pe 2:22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire."
Speaking of which...what do the results of the last election say about us?
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So, I guess the fact that the number of people responding as "christian" to the surveys has declined, while the number of those responding to "not religious" has correspondingly increased means nothing.
I dunno. What do the results of the last election say about you?
"what do the results of the last election say about us?"
That we, as a society, are progressing?
How about this ... fundies needs absolutes to function. They get those absolutes from their hairball religion. When others are raised to believe there are no absolutes, it pisses fundies off because people don't accept the fundies' absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so they have fun and the fundies don't.
I can't think of a single instance where anything in the real world is absolute...
(If anyone can think of anything, feel free to enlighten me!)
Fundies see the world in absolutes. That's the black-and-white world W. saw. Most of the rest of us, being rational, sapient, animals, see the world in shades of grey. Some things are bad, but not as bad as murder, which isn't as bad as genocide (unless you're the victim, of course). Absolutism just shows a lack of thinking, and an appeal to quick, easy answers.
"what do the results of the last election say about us?"
That you like to eat your own vomit. :D
Actually, it says that we are going in the right direction.
ok, I have to say it.
the world doesn't need absolutes but you do. the common fundie mind set has the inability to really make sense of the world around you. while smarter people can make day to day distinctions about morality and science you are unable to keep up and need a rulebook to fall back on.
the reason religion is so popular and has people like you clinging to it with every ounce of strength is because it gives you the reassurance you need. people like you have a need to be given all the answers and the church steps in and goes just that, not to mention that it gives you an environment that will constantly reassure you that your doing the right thing, your the good guys, god loves you, and such.
I hold no grudge against your personal mental failures, it's just that me and a lot of others are able to figure these things out without some all knowing book to just hand us the world. the scientist, the atheist, and many others are still fighting to figure things out, maybe you have more peace of mind, but we keep fighting to truly understand. you gave up, and we recognise a snakeoil salesman when we see one.
Absolutes are for people who lack the intelligence and education required for critical thinking. Your idiot hero George Bush is a good example.
What does the last election say about us? That at least some of the idiots who voted for Bush the first two times finally got poor enough and desperate enough to try something new.
Man needs absolutes to function. Those absolutes are from God. When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes.
So, what am I saying?
As far as I can tell, you're saying that
In short, you presented an argument and then in the very next sentence derailed it yourself. Well done.
Poll numbers on religion go up: "There, told you this was a Christian country!"
Poll numbers on religion go down: "Those wallowing swine, screw 'em!"
I can accept certain absolutes. For example, I think you're an absolute idiot.
I also say the results of the last American election are absolutely wonderful. Not only is the election of an African-American president a historic event, but his intelligence is a refreshing change from the absolute idiocy of the last eight years. Had McCain & Palin taken over the country, they would have been an absolute disaster.
Do I believe it? Absolutely.
Ok, but a woman doesn't.
And actually, not all men do either. There are people on this planet that can understand and accept that the world is full of shades of gray. We may like absolutes, we may occasionally need absolutes, but we don't -always- need them to function, and they don't have to come from any god.
Question for you, if people don't like that Christianity is about absolutes and therefore abandon it (or it's rigid practice, at least) is that really saying people need absolutes? To me that suggests that people think absolutes don't represent reality.
"A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT" big deal.
I was christian a long time ago and abandoned my religion as well, again, so what? Big deal.
what do the last elections say about us? That we elected man who truly wants to help our country move forward, domestically and abroad. I think it's great and I hope he goes down in history as one of the great presidents of all time.
Give a dog a choice between eating it's own vomit, or eating horseshit, guess which one it will go for.
what do the results of the last election say about us?
Man needs absolutes to function
No, man doesn't. What makes you think this? Oh wait, I think I see the answer coming up.
Those absolutes are from God
Yeah, that's what I thought. Plus, you're wrong.
When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes.
What?
So, what am I saying?
I'm afraid to ask.
Speaking of which...what do the results of the last election say about us?
Hopefully, that we're getting smarter and learning to leave idiot superstitions and fairy tale dribble behind. But I'm sure you have a different answer.
"How about this...Man needs absolutes to function."
Why?
That would be the number of Christians declining.
"It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire.""
Your point?
"Speaking of which...what do the results of the last election say about us?"
Maybe it tells us that finally, American people are starting to THINK a bit? Not deepy enough (if that happened, both Democrats and Republicans would be out of jobs, as they are Not Really That Different, except the Republican pandering to Religious Right) but a bit, enough to shed some of the foolish prejudice.
"what do the results of the last election say about us?"
That we're sick of self-serving douchebags running this country into the ground while padding their own bank accounts, declaring war on misinformation, and all the while not able to string together a coherent sentence?
That keeping our children fed, clothed, housed and educated is much more important than worrying about the off chance that they *might* get an abortion or want to marry someone of the same sex 20 years from now?
That we'd like to regain some of the respect we lost in the eyes of the rest of the world?
"Man needs absolutes to function. Those absolutes are from God. When a person is raised to believe there are no absolutes then they don't know how to accept absolutes. They don't live according to those absolutes so other people don't see those absolutes."
'Only the Sith deal in absolutes'
-Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Knight.
"what do the results of the last election say about us"
It says that the majority of people in the country were fed up with nutjobs at the helm.
This is so incredibly appropriate here...
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
==Man needs absolutes to function.==
Premise wrong, argument failed. That was easy.
==what do the results of the last election say about us?==
Possibly not as stupid as the rest of the world thinks?
In the first paragraph, you claim man needs absolutes to function, then explain how people live without absolutes.
In the second paragraph, you claim the number of Christians is not declining; instead people are abandoning Christianity.
In the third paragraph, you discuss animal behavior without explaining why.
As an argument, this is an absolute failure. If I showed this to my Public Speaking prof, he'd wet his pants laughing.
Only the Sith work in absolutes, blah, blah, blah...
Black and white only works in generalities. There's always a grey area.
His rambling makes more sense if you consider he might be talking about vodka:
"How about this...Man needs Absolut to function. Absolut is from God. When a person is raised to believe there is no Absolut, then they don't know how to accept Absolut. They don't live according to Absolut so other people don't see Absolut.
Oh, there are definitely absolutes. All people die, no exceptions, is one. Also, if you build your house of straw, and a big bad wolf comes, he will have no trouble huffing and puffing it down, is another. Facts are pretty absolute.
Religious dogma isn't fact.
"A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire."
And the fundies return to using the same stupid arguments about Obama, homosexual, atheists...
See, I don't require my absolutes to come from a higher power.
They are thus:
Those are obvious just from being alive and human.
That is the Republicans want to have a ghost of a chance winning, they need to put someone on the ballot that is both sane and not threatening to run the country on his or her personal biases, rather than,,,I dunno...the good of the people. Like...including all us unwashed heathens.
Speaking of which...what do the results of the last election say about us?
That we're sick and tired of extreme-right pseudo-Christianoid religious zealots spouting lunatic bullshit, and Obama was the only candidate who seemed even remotely sane.
Confused?
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