I'm not saying we should legalise child sex overnight. Steps muct first be taken to make sure the children would be safe. These include stept to rectify the sex-phobic environment and also changes in education. Children must be taught that there are people out there who will try to manipulate them and they should know that it's ok to say no but also that it's ok to say yes, if they are truly ready.
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They're kids. They can't be trusted with big decisions. For that matter they often can't even be trusted with little decisions, which is why we have to make their meals for them, so they don't live on ice cream and french fries. It's why we don't let ten year olds drive or twelve year olds vote, they're not prepared to handle adult decision making and consequences.
Although I must admit that I have a problem justifying stat-rape cases where the boy is just over legal age and the girl just under legal age(say within a year in age of each other), I really don't believe that has any bearing on this. I do not believe in any way shape or form that an adult should have sex with a child forcibly or even with consent. To me, either way it is a gruesome rape of the innocence to which all children are entitled. If a person requires a child for a sexual partner, then that person is too immature and insecure to have sex anyway. In other words, if you enjoy having sex with a child, then you should really love the big boys behind bars having sex with you!
You know, I have a copy of The Guide To Gettng It On, and I have to say the author, who is incredibly liberal on sexual issues, is decidedly against child sexuality.
Great, another one of these pedophile apologists.
I'm not saying that we should legalise torture or domestic violence overnight. Steps should be make sure the prisoners or the women would be safe. This includes to rectify our current environment of tolerance and respect for the human being. The weak ones in society should know that they´re a piece of shit and that, if they don´t comply to certain rules, they will be treated as the shit they are. Sarcasm apart, which part of CONSENTING ADULTS, you don´t understand, perverted monster?, moreover, do you have the slightless idea of what consenting means for a person who hasn´t reached puberty?
Truly ready?
Kids aren't capable of understanding the psychological or the physical ramifications of sex - not prepubertal kids, anyway, and in terms of kids who've hit puberty it very much depends on the child and the situation. If you're classifying a sixteen-year-old who wants to have sex with her boyfriend as a child, we can talk, but if you're talking about a twelve-year-old that some twenty-five-year-old sleazebag is trying to seduce, sorry. Sex with kids fucks with their emotional and sexual development, it destroys their ability to trust adults, and it really fucking *hurts*. Kids' bodies are not built for sex with adults. Why is this something that needs explanation, you douche?
"Although I must admit that I have a problem justifying stat-rape cases where the boy is just over legal age and the girl just under legal age(say within a year in age of each other), I really don't believe that has any bearing on this."
flipper: In my state, there's a law that lets a seventeen-year-old legally consent to sex with anyone under the age of twenty-four.
"stept (sic - do you think he was typing one-handed?) to rectify the sex-phobic environment" part of the quote to a large extent. The taboo surrounding sex probably does a lot more harm than good.
That doesn't mean it shouldn't still be only between consenting adults, though (although I think some places could do with the age of consent being reduced to 16 like it is here).
(Edited to make it absolutely blindingly clear I don't agree with the entire post -.- )
Kids don't know about sex, nor do they care about sex. Even when they seem to care about sex, they don't. Wiki has a nice, slightly disturbing article called "Child Sexuality", which is worth a read. Probably not right after reading this, though - wait a min' or two between exposures to pedophilia and child... stuff. There's lots of stuff on Wiki that just makes me... feel... odd in the head.
I'm not saying we should legalise child sex Improvement.
Actually I agree with that part of the quote to a large extent. The taboo surrounding sex probably does a lot more harm than good. All taboos are bad, friend. They all lead to misconceptions, irrationality, bigotry and other unwanted results. Not to say there shouldn't be bigotry against pedophiles:p, just saying that's one of the consequences. Unfortunate in the case of, say, homosexuality or other religions.
Ach, mine eyes. I'm a social liberal and I'm saying that this is disgusting- that should give you pause for a sec.Have fun.
Although I have to say, agreed with Goosey.
Not Fundy at all. I'm very suprised to see this here. But I guess the joke is true: A conservative is a liberal with a teenaged daughter.
Not Fundy at all. I'm very suprised to see this here. But I guess the joke is true: A conservative is a liberal with a teenaged daughter.
'fencingmatt, please don't ever breed.'
No chance of that as I am gay.
'I hope the law catches up with you someday, you sick fuck.'
'I think matt's just got a hankerin' for some o' the youngins. Probably because no one who has developed a moderate amount of judgement won't go out with him.'
sex before puberty is a painful and unpleasant experience, for which children are emotionally and mentally unprepared, whatever they may think. they are also often manipulated into silence even today; when it's illegal. do you honestly think a raped child would ever stand up for themselves if they knew the it was legal?
ZOMG! For one thing, being a chomo isn't something that's okay. Never has been, never will be, no matter what you tell yourself to keep from jumping off a bridge.
That entire post is straight from NAMBLA, almost entirely, and it's pretty obvious that fencingmatt is a groomer. Being 'gentle' and pretending to be loving don't make it any better.
A rapist is a rapist is a rapist, and they're the only thing convincing me not to be 100% against the death penalty.
@ LM, patronising fuckwit, given the choice, I would not ?live on ice cream and french fries? or do any of the other things you mention.
You'll stumble on the first step; children subjected to statutory rape are, by definition, not safe.
The judgement ability is not fully mature until somewhere around the age of 18-22. Children are simply not ready to decide whether they are ready for sex or not.
Adults in general are supposed to be people children can trust until they are entering adulthood themselves, as such any attempt to get into a child's pants is patently a breach of trust. I've heard of messed up cases where children have actually tried to initiate such a relationship with an adult, but really the same principle applies. Don't go screwing kids.
"Children must be taught that there are people out there who will try to manipulate them and they should know that it's ok to say no but also that it's ok to say yes, if they are truly ready."
Objectively, I see nothing wrong with society telling children this, because it is a useful message that will help prepare them for when the time comes that they begin to develop sexually and want to seek a partner (likely as teenagers). But even prior to that, children should at least be made aware that there are unethical people out there who would try to manipulate them and trap them in a situation that they may not like, once they realize what they've gotten into.
Realistically, I would likely be in favor of dropping the age of consent to 14, simply because it's the age at which people start high school - and it's during high school that people really start to develop sexually (first relationships, loss of virginity, etc.) I don't feel that teenagers (who are often seen as older children) and/or their partners should be punished for that.
tl; dr: I agree with Sayna.
"I'm not saying we should legalise child sex overnight. Steps muct first be taken to make sure the children would be safe. These include stept to rectify the sex-phobic environment and also changes in education. Children must be taught that there are people out there who will try to manipulate them and they should know that it's ok to say no but also that it's ok to say yes, if they are truly ready."
How right you are, fencingmatt:
http://911review.org/Alex/Republican_Pedophiles.html
Ergo, all right-wingers = NAMBLA. QED.
You said it, I didn't.
Never was the phrase 'Condemn yourself out of your own mouth' so appropriate.
You don't need to be Freud to figure out Repubicans, Neocons, Teabaggers, The Religious Right et al...
@matt
I, for one, say we should dig a pit into the other side of the Earth, fill it with sharks that spit acid, and send this guy, Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter, and Pee-Wee Herman into it.
Tom?
Tom: Agreed!
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