Where does the Bible 'insist that all animal species were near Turkey'?
[In another post right below, defending Noah's flood]
How do you "know that the human population 4000 years ago was not Noah and his family"? You speak as if you were there ...
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lemme guess where this went,,,
"where you there?"
I'd just like to call attention to the fact that on the one hand, he criticized me (yes, he was responding to me) for a literal reading of the Bible (which does state that 4000 years ago all animal species were in Turkey after the flood), then he criticized me for not believing a literal interpretation of the Bible.
If the population of the Earth 4000 years ago was just 8 people then I have to wonder 1) why there isn't an insane genetic bottleneck causing the Bubonic plague to wipe 100% of Europe and Asia out 2) how they built both the Pyramids and Stonehenge and 3) How they ran China, Egypt, the Harrapan Civilization, Ethiopia, Italy, Greece, Japan, the Celtic tribes, and the native American tribes all while only having 8 people.
"Where does the Bible 'insist that all animal species were near Turkey'? "
Where it says the ark laned on mt Ararat. Which is in Turkey.
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How do you know the human population 4000 years ago was Noah and his family? You speak as if you were there
If humanity faced an extreme genetic bottleneck 4000 years ago, we'd know about it. It'd show up in the genome. There is an era when many speculate this did happen to humans - although we're talking about a population size of 2000, not 8 - but that was 70,000 years ago. There are existing animal species which experienced this, such as cheetahs, and we know about it through things like immune system responses to transplants and disease vulnerability.
Heck, humans were already building settlements back then, and there are archaeological sites from that era. If they were all abandoned 4000 years ago, and all showed evidence of catastrophic flooding, this would also give the Noah story credence. But that didn't happen.
@ Mister Spak
Actually, the bible says that the art landed on the mountains of Ararat. "Ararat" is an ancient name for the region we now call Armenia. The twin mountains in Turkey that bear that name received it well after the alleged events took place.
This is a fun fact to share with a fundamentalist who insists that the ark has been discovered in Turkey. After I explain it to them, I like to ask them how the ark got from Armenia to Turkey.
It doesn't really matter to Polanco how many people actually were living 4000 years ago. It could be any number between 0 and 748,000,000,000 as long as it could in some way be seen to tie-in with the hogwash in the Bible. In fact, it could be -829.035 people, but as long as that figure agreed with Polanco's biblical view, he or she would believe it,
Where does the Bible 'insist that all animal species were near Turkey'?
It doesn't. But it does say they were brought into one place (it doesn't say where) and loaded onto the ark, and it implies that this was Noah's job, not God's. Turkey was chosen because some people believe that's where the ark settled, although others insist that Ararat is in Armenia. But the location of the loading dock is not the point. The point is, how did Noah roam the world and accumulate the llamas, penguins, Australian giant earthworms, Gila monsters, koalas and other animals that only live in narrow ecological niches onto that loading dock?
@Nemo
No that's fine and all but it's a problem I see others quote too regulary here. The Fundies say straight out (and most them have come to believe ) that the Bible actually contains these dates,,,somewhere in there,,, that the worlds 6000 years old and Noahs voyage was 4400 years ago,,,,They also tell us to look it up,,,because they're not sure where it is,,,and they're sure as Hell not gonna read it.
Ushers 150 year old claims were thrown out long ago by his own church because the Bible supports no such conclusion. The Fundies have only embraced it as an attack on Evolution somewhere around the sixties and it eventually infected all their churchs.
The "YEC math" fails big time as it puts less than a couple thousand people in the Egyptian, Roman, Persain and Greek empires combined around 3000 years ago. This has been repeatedly pointed out to them and the higher mortality rate of the last 100 years just they blatantly ignore that and continue the lie.
The Bible doesn't say the Flood happened 4,000 years ago, but it can be computed. The Bible contains a genealogy from Adam through Jacob* in the form of "X begat Y when he was N years old" = 2,168 years. It then says that Jacob entered Egypt 17 years before his death at 147, and that the Jewish people were captive in Egypt for 430 years. The Temple was rebuilt 479 years after the Exodus in the 4th year of Solomon's reign, which lasted 40 years. 2 Chronicles contains the reigns of all the kings from Rehoboam (Solomon's successor) to Zedechiah - ~388 years. Zedechiah's reign ended when he was captured in the 19th year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II, which can be independently dated as 605 BC (Ussher used 607). You can get a different date (about 55 years later) by using "Menander's List of Kings" (Josephus) to date Solomon's reign and bypassing the Chronicles stuff.
*Ussher stopped at Abram (Abraham) born in 2008 AC and used his entry into Egypt at age 75 instead of Jacob's at 140 as the start of the Captivity for reasons I've never been able to figure out. Ussher's method yields 215 years earlier.
"How do you "know that the human population 4000 years ago was not Noah and his family"? ......
Because Noah was not listed in the new testament chronology back to Adam and Eve. He is nowhere listed in either gospel listing chronology. If the babble is the inerrant word of gawd....then it would not leave Noah out. But it did......
@John
But it completely fails when known populations existed that were much larger then that caculation allows. This is why the Catholics threw it out, they had amassed a large library and had become dedicated to knowledge (and the repession of it ) but they couldn't justify the concept when faced with secular research that had proven Usherrs caculation fails with know populations of 2000-3000 years ago.
He also ignored plagues, wars, famines and the advancements in medicine and agriculture, let alone the last hundred years of medical advacements.
Confused?
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