All women in the world had their hymen torn before they ever gave birth to their first child. All the women in the world, without a single exception, were born to mothers who no longer have their hymen. Yet, we never heard of a mutation caused by womens' loss of their hymen. We never heard of a new "strain" of women who are born without a hymen. Single rare and random cases - yes. But, as a permanent mutation - no.
If "evolution" is right, this change in the body started "millions of years ago", ever since the first woman appeared in the world. For animals with hymens, this change started even earlier than for humans. So, why didn't females "evolve" into females without hymens?
Isn't that sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that "evolution theories" are nonsense?
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I got lost in the winding argument.
WTF did was this one trying to say?
Every woman has a hymen which is torn during her first intercourse, therefore women as a "species" should have evolved to not have one in the first place by now?
"All women in the world had their hymen torn before they ever gave birth to their first child."
Including the Virgin Mary?
So we all agree Mary was not magical. Good.
Assuming a real answer is wanted, I'd say the main reason is that there is no intrinsic survival benefit to not having one from birth. On the other hand, because so many male cultures are obsessed with virgins and the presence of the hymen, I'd say there's some counter-survival results to its absence.
The hymen is a rather unneeded protective membrane, which guards against infection during childhood. By the time a female is biologically mature enough to concieve, this is no longer needed, and is fairly easily broken through intercourse.
IF there were a biological reason for woman not to have a hymen, it might be lost through successive generations, by the increased survival and greater reproductive success of females who did not have one from birth. Since it is benign at best, and essentially irrelevant, there is no evolutionary pressure to select for it's removal.
Isn't that sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that "evolution theories" are nonsense?
No, it shows you're obsessed with hymens. Probably because if you extract the "e," then you've got hymns. You folks love your effin hymns...
a) strawman. aquired characteristics are not passed on. having a hymen had evolutionary benefits. it's now largely useless, but isn't a problem either.
b)"All women in the world had their hymen torn before they ever gave birth to their first child" that's right. because the whole virgin birth thing was a joke.
And further to women being born without hymens, every so often children are born to women with a hymen, not because their hymen didn't break during intercourse, but rather because they were having their vaginal virginity for marriage and had anal intercourse instead.
Congratulations on proving that we don't, as a rule, inherit acquired characteristics...
Let me know when your education gets past the 19th century.
@dpareja errr... Except u can't get preggers from anal intercourse?
And Old Viking, ur actually making a pun with the wrong word. U mean amen. Unless there's something fundumental I'm not grasping here.
PS sry 4 the informal typing, I'm on my iPod and it takes FOREVER.
Yes, that's true, that's because Lamarck was wrong, that's why scientists haven't believed in Lamarck's theories for over a hundred years. Acquired characteristics are not inherited (well there are a couple of minor odd cases where they are, but that's due to changes in the on/off status of a gene being inherited not an actual change in the gene itself) good thing modern evolutionary theory doesn't say that they are.
Darwin's theories (which are the basic foundations of modern evolutionary theory) emphasized the idea that traits which have some use will be passed on, in the case of the hymen it probably helped to prevent vaginal infections in early childhood when the immature immune system is comparatively weak. It's not so helpful now that we have high quality medical care, but since it doesn't do any harm there isn't selective pressure against it, so it's retained.
Hmm, the hymen is stretched -the skin is never gone unless surgically removed. Sex scars a woman for life. =)
Evolution would only come into play if the hymen prevented pregnancy. As this does not seem to be the case, the skin starts out tight generation after generation. A possible evo. advantage is that the skin could help block infectious agents. Not dying of infection before impregnation is a definite advantage.
Fail
Hey, he's right!
This Lamarck character is full of crap, I don't believe in that theory anymore! Down with Lamarickian Evolution!
"Single rare and random cases - yes"
Which is how evolution works.
Check back in a hundred thousand years.
Isn't that sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that "evolution theories" are nonsense?
I don't know what it is that you think you've proved there, but no.
The hymen is a small bit of tissue at the entrance of the vagina. It can be 'broken' by hard physical labor, or by first sexual intercourse.
The hymen has nothing to do with evolution.
You failed biology AND health class, didn't you? A hymen is a flap of tissue with a small hole in it which allows menstrual blood to pass through. Some girls are born without one, and some are born with it closed up entirely, or the hole in it is a strange shape. That's a minor defect, not a mutation. The hymen has no biological purpose, and like the appendix, it's just there.
Congratulations, you've come up with sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that your understanding of "evolution theories" is nonsense.
THE BIOLOGY FAILURE
IT'S SO HARD.
Evolution... you're doing it wrong!
Half the problem is most people don't know what the theory of evolution actually is. Spontaneous mutations... Hoo, boy...
You're saying because women have hymens, this somehow disproves evolution.
That leaves what, we're all hand made by God?
Then why does God make men with nipples?
'Isn't that sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that "evolution theories" are nonsense?'
No it isn't, shit-for-brains creationist.
1) Actually, there are girls who are born without a hymen. They're a minority, but they exist.
2) I'm not sure why you think that the hymen disproves evolution. If anything, it's an evolutionary holdover.
Somebody does not understand Natural Selection. At all. Seriously!
I mean, congrats, you've disproved Lamarck. Whoop de fucking doo.....
Hymens are do not really effect life verus death or preference for mating. It causes a bit of pain the first time(or first couple), or none at all, but that's it. It's not really much a trait to be selected for or against in humans. It doesn't help or hinder reproduction or survival it seems.
A better example of what you're attempting to argue would be sickle cell anemia. Though it still doesn't work because evolution doesn't always form the best things, just things that work good enough to reproduce.
Maybe a better question is, why would your god make women with hymens if they serve abosolutely no purpose?
Question, cretinist: What purpose do Earlobes serve? [/'Comte Balthazar de Bleuchamp ']
@Senator
"Then why does God make men with nipples?"
This retard's brain would bleed through his eyes if he learned the reason why.
Actually Primates are the only animals that have hymen, for starters. Second, it's vestigial, in the same way men are born with nipples. The only ones who mythified it ad nauseam are, precisely, religious people in their obsession with controlling sexuality. Please.
At a guess, because of the global and historical emphasis on 'virginity', women with hymen are more likely to have sex, and therefore more likely to pass their genes on to the next generation ?
“All women in the world had their hymen torn before they ever gave birth to their first child.”
"Single rare and random cases (of women born without hymen)- yes. But, as a permanent mutation - no.”
“Isn't that sufficient and convincing factual evidence to prove that "evolution theories" are nonsense?”
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