The real Founding Fathers of America came to it in the 1600's and they were Bible-believing Christians in almost exactly the same way as is Kirk Cameron.
The Founding Fathers that you speak of separated church from state in order so that Bible-believing Christians did not have their freedom of religion infringed upon by evil & ungodly government officials who might otherwise impose their evil forms of religion upon the population, as had already happened for centuries before in England with its evil Kings and evil Queens.
This modern myth that people like you promote, that the Founding Fathers disliked religion and made their decisions on that basis, is a complete distortion and re-writing of history in order to pretend as if it was in line with your modern God-hating agenda.
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The real Founding Fathers of America were either the Old People of the Plains or the Norse. Neither were christians.
If you want to cherry-pick, others are wont to do it, too.
Some were deists, some were christian, the separation of church and state was created because smaller denominations of Christianity didn't want a bigger denomination to impose there beliefs on them or force them to believe the way they did. Separating the church from state meant they could practice whatever religion they liked and the government was not allowed to infinge on that or take in a state religion.
Whoa, Silver. Tonto, this is a total screw up. Didn't Kirk Cameron once say he was a former devout atheist? T. - Ugh, Kemosabe, sure sign he full of buffalo frisbees. No such thing as devout atheist. L.R.- I agree old friend. For the good of all, I'd better put a silver bullet through his misshapen noggin. Then, our work here is done. Hiyo Silver! Away!( I've seriously dated myself. Oh well.)
What in God's holy name are you blathering about?
I'm guessing Nav finally cracked open a history book and read up on Jefferson, Franklin, etc. and realized that they didn't share their views either. Had to go even farther back and change the meaning of "Founding Fathers" to make their arguments work.
Wow, talk about moving goal posts. Kirk Cameron equivalent to a Founding Father even setting aside the idea of the Pilgrims as such? And those evil kings and queens you speak of were also bible-believing Christians too, it just wasn't your form that they believed in. Really, I don't know what you're smoking but please never ever share it.
Nope. The pilgrims of Plymouth were just one group of early settlers, not "founding fathers" in any sense of the word. Those who wrote our constitution saw first-hand what problems were caused by a state religion outweighing the religious choices made by individuals, and wisely wrote down the warning that church and state should not interfere with each other. Big straw man here
"The real Founding Fathers of America came to it in the 1600's and they were Bible-believing Christians in almost exactly the same way as is Kirk Cameron."
Possibly, but the Founding Fathers didn't pretend to be devout in order to fleece the gullible masses, unlike the Puritan leaders of whom you speak. And as long as we're on the subject, go choke on Maryland and Pennsylvania. Your Puritan heroes were known to persecute Catholics and Quakers. Real Christian of them.
So, it all works out if you change the definition of "Founding Fathers."
Here is a real Founding Father:
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So why did the Founding Fathers put this into the Constitution.
Amendment 1
I didn't know Cameron was Catholic!
Total homeskool fail on the Pilgrims
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
The rewriting is all on your behalf, silly.
My country had a state church up until the year 2000. As I was born in 1969, I was born a Protestant Christian, whether I liked it or not. I'm still a tax-paying member of the Swedish Church, as I think they do much good for the poor in the world, both in Sweden and in the rest of the world.
"The real Founding Fathers of America came to it in the 1600's"
Leif Erikson. 999 CE. Thank you for admitting that America is an Odinist country, then.
This is the result of all the emphasis on the Pilgrims in elementary school. Kids grow up completely unaware that there were other colonies, that there were already people here, or that other countries sent explorers and settlers. They conflate the founding of a colony with the founding of the USA, which happened much later.
With the help of the indigenous natives, the Pilgrims founded a colony. One of the first things they did was proclaim a religious oligarchy. Its distinguishing characteristic was persecution of Catholics, Quakers, native Americans, men not wearing a funny hat, and women not wearing a bonnet.
Also, if you look closely, you'll see there's quite a time lapse between 1620 and 1787.
Why..oh why, do conservative fundie Americans worship the founding fathers as if they are perfect deity-like human beings in every way? They were people,who had some good ideas,and some bad ideas.
Yes, because as you know,a majority of America's founders were fire-breathing, Bible-thumping Episcopalians.
Wait, what?
They harken back to them and compare them to Kirk Cameron because you indeed do have to go that far back to find such ignorance as todays fundamentalists, Kirk's a Young Earth Creationist con man and he and Ray Comfort love to spread fictitious bullshit about a golden super-Christian beginning to America.
Most them usually like to lie about those who actually formed the Constitution though, Navaros here is trying to plant bullshit further back. He's not alone in this unfortunately.
Please don't insult men like Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, Frankilin, etc., by comparing them to Kirk Cameron.
In fact, don't insult your local village idiot by comparing him to Kirk Cameron.
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