When Becky (my oldest daughter) was newborn and still in the maternity ward at the hospital I brought a big Bible and held it up before the window. I shouted through the window, "Becky, this is the Word of God." and I waved the Bible from side to side. (I am not sure that she was impressed!)
The first day she was home from the hospital I put her on the floor, got the Bible, and told her how to be saved. I did this every week even when she was an infant. I am not sure when the moment was that salvation's plan first dawned upon her, but I am sure that she knew how to be saved, for regularly I took the Bible, went to her crib, and told her about Adam and Eve, the depravity of man, the wrath of God, God's plan of salvation, the atonement, the resurrection, etc. I wanted to be sure she associated her daddy with a black book called the Bible and in her subconscious mind was registered God's plan of salvation. How important this is in the life of a child.
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"and told her about Adam and Eve, the depravity of man, the wrath of God,"
Good thing she didn't speak English yet and therefore had no idea what horrible stories you were telling her.
Psycho.
@Gadren:
Sadly, that's not a far cry from some of the fundies we've seen. There was one, I believe, that thought his/her infant was crying because of demonic posession.
Here's an even better idea, Dr. Jack: put electrodes on her and give her a shock every time you mention Satan. Then put her on the floor between a Bible and a TV and smack the hell out of her every time she turns toward the TV instead of the Bible. Hey, it works with rats, why not humans?
Poor blind fool.
Babies do not exist! There is no evidence for babies. I have been show pictures of these supposed babies - but as far as I could see they were just really small people who had communication problems and double incontinence.
According to this book I read, I think it was called the Babble, there used to be babies - but they could not reproduce and so they died out many years ago.
Man Called True sez:
Dr. Jack Hyles died in 2001.
O.O There IS balance in the universe.
Working on convincing your child that she's a worthless sinner from day one sounds like a really great way to really screw her up. I don't know how old this kid is supposed to be, but if she winds up with severe depression before she hits her teens, I wouldn't be surprised.
Teaching children the tenets of Christianity is not child abuse nor illegal.
That said, this guy's a dope. First of all, it's not the book that matters, it's what's in it. Second of all, a baby can not comprehend these things. A far more age-appropriate activity would have been to sing her soothing hymns; many of which contain all the messages of the gospel (from the depravity of man to the salvation of God) and would soothe and comfort her. Babies have no accountability for their actions, they are not demon possessed, they don't need exorcism, and they need soothing and constant comfort.
Dr. Jack Hyles died in 2001.
...good. I hope it hurt.
Dude, that's really f**ked up right there.
Telling a child, from infancy on, that she is worthless without an ancient book telling her what to do. . .
I'll be in the corner, crying, if anyone needs me.
If another person sends the children to a public school, when they´re aware to understand, this idiot would call it brainwashing. You see how double standards work. If she was impressed, she would be in the news, indeed.
My name is Becky, and I thank god I'm not related to this man.
When my first child is born, I hope my husband waves a "Dresden Files" novel at the window of the maternity ward and goes, " *insert name here*, this is the word of Jim Butcher!"
BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNNwashed.
This guy is one of the creepiest fundies I've ever heard of.
By the way, Dick...? [It's Jack.] Sorry, must be something to do with your face. I always think your name's Dick. The reason she wasn't impressed...? SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO THINK FOR HERSELF YET. AND WITH YOU AS A FATHER, SHE NEVER WILL.
Humans cant produce sentient thoughts until they're 1 1/2 years old (i think). Why would the newborn child give a care? Shes just been born, and your lecturing her about the bible, something she wont understand until shes 3 years old. YOU FAIL.
Holy Indoctrination, Batman!
Dr. Jack Hyles, DIAF please.
I have a feeling the kid's going to grow up into either an Atheist or Wiccan (or other non-Christian religion, I just picked one because it would probably give the parents...Mom's still alive, right?...a heart attack.)
If I was there, and my kid was in the same ward, I'd be waving, "The Complete William Blake" in front of my kid. I'd want my kid growing up believing that all religions that teach love and compassion are pretty much the same, and anyone who doesn't practice what they preach is a moron...well maybe not those exact words.
I have vague memories of my own parents reading stories to me- like Goldilocks and the Three Bears, The Cat in the Hat and Green Eggs and Ham. I think some of those books are still in their attic. I knew early on that they were just that- stories. Entertaining, yes, but there was no-one named Goldilocks, there was no Grinch, etc. D'ya think Becky will think the same? There was no earthly paradise with a talking snake, no-one ever built a boat for all the animals in a global flood, and all the other stories she'll hear.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
With Jehovah, Zeus, Buddha and Lugh as my witnesses, I promise that if I ever have a child, I will never bring up religion when they're within earshot.
Inevitably, they will ask questions. "Daddy, what happens when people die?" will be met with "Nobody knows for definite, son. It's not important anyway." When they ask "Daddy, how did people get here?" My reply will be the same.
My mum was a Sunday school teacher when I was little. She never, ever forced any belief on her kids, but let us find our own world-view. Somehow, at least two of her four kids became deists or Christians, and three of us married a person of the other gender in a church. The fourth one is living with a person of the other gender since at least eight years.
I guess openness and education does just as well as indoctrination, Mr Hyles.
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