and to reply to your last statement I must add that science has no place in discussing the miracle of life. Life is not mechanistic. Your being is not defined by matter -- it's defined by what makes that matter come to life. And whatever that miracle is is something that science will never uncover and will never be able to explain or define. Life defies science at every turn...and for science to be taught in the classroom under the guize of explaining life is a sham
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Science hasn't determined that spark of life yet . But there are myriad things people used to say that "science will never understand," and it has proceeded to understand an impressive number of them so far. So don't be too surprised if science manages to accomplish the "impossible" on this topic, too.
~David D.G.
Seriously, if heaven and hell exist, and scientists go to their respective new plain of existence, they'll start defining all the things they researched on earth to suit the new surroundings.
Which would mean that we'll get new laws and theories for and about energy conservation, gravity, light, movement, medicine, anatomy etc.
So don't go claiming that science has no place in "the miracle of life". As soon as there is something to be measured, people will measure it.
It's more complicated than that, even. If you belive that there are things about life science can never explain... fine, great, science will never explain them. That's the great thing about science--it only explains the things it can explain. Unlike religion (well, evangelical Xianity), which tries to explain everything , science is content to explain only observable phenomena about which it is possible to propose testable hypotheses.
There are, indeed, certain things about life that science can and does explain. If you believe in some intangible aspect--a soul, some miraculous "breath of life"... fine, great, peachy, be my guest. Science is never going to say anything about an intangible "breath of life" either to affirm or deny its existance... that's what "intangible" means.
It's all in how you define the word life . If you attribute human life to the unproven existence of some soul , then you are right. Science knows nothing about life.
If, however, you understand life to be a biochemical process present in all living things, plant and animal, then science has described it just fine, thank you.
@Star Cluster
I just long for the day that scientists find life or fossils of some kind on another planet or moon in our solar system. And microbial life would be all the better. I want to see these idiots explain that away.
God's early experiments?
Life is, indeed, mechanistic. Life reliably arises from certain combinations of elements in certain patterns. Some intangible, supernatural soul has precisely nothing to do with it.
Well, in that case don´t use science to keep this miracle of life. YOu know, no antibiotics, no modern medicine, no scanner, NOTHING. JUST BE CONSEQUENT.
No offense - but this is driving me crazy. For several weeks, I've been noticing that your comments often say something like, "Be CONSEQUENT." I think the word you're aiming for is "CONSISTENT." Just a word to the wise (or wise ass, as the case may be).
Science has a pretty good idea of how a human gets from being a single cell to a living being. And it has a good idea how the egg and sperm get created from the parents' cells, too. Even Intelligent Design supporters admit that the creation of an individual is an explainable chemical process. They only argue about where your ancient ancestors got their DNA, not what brings you to life.
CT wrote:
Star Cluster wrote:
I just long for the day that scientists find life or fossils of some kind on another planet or moon in our solar system. And microbial life would be all the better. I want to see these idiots explain that away.
God's early experiments?
Why would God need to experiment? That would suggest he didn't know what he was doing and that mistakes were made...well, on second thought you could be right. After all, it's quite obvious that he quickly lost all control of his "creations" on this planet. Not once, but twice.
But if that argument is used, at the very least, it would prove that God was imcompetent.
Life defies science at every turn
So biology is a sham?
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Science can explain the mechanics of life fairly well, and we're learning more about living organisms all the time. Much remains unanswered, but progess will continue.
If you want to get all metaphysical about the spark of life that animates dead matter, then science is not going to help you. Scientists will tell you that up front. Go down the hall to theology or philosophy class for that one.
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