When I was on the pill, years and years ago, I didn't know. They give you a huge piece of paper with very tiny print, lots of big words etc. I tried to read it but I don't think I got all the way through it. If I did see the word abortifacient I probably didn't know or connect its meaning (I was 17).
I didn't understand what abortion was until I was in my late 20's trying to get pregnant. You can't look at pictures of a developing fetus and say its not a baby.
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>>When I was on the pill, years and years ago, I didn't know.<<
And this fundy post is entitled: "Re: Do BIRTH CONTROL USERS Know They Are Accepting EUTHANASIA by Their ACTIONS??"
To which I say, "Wha?"
"They give you a huge piece of paper with very tiny print, lots of big words etc."
Tiny print being a problem I can understand, but blaming the fact that you don't know what it's talking about on 'big words' is just being lazy and ignorant.
"If I did see the word abortifacient I probably didn't know or connect its meaning (I was 17)."
At seventeen you should have been able to discern the meaning given the context. Abort is still a commonly used word and, even if it wasn't, you should've been able to figure it out with even a small familiarity with the Latin language. If you were still dumbfounded might I suggest you pick up both a dictionary and thesaurus.
"didn't understand what abortion was until I was in my late 20's trying to get pregnant."
Wow. That's just ... wow.
"You can't look at pictures of a developing fetus and say its not a baby."
Of course you can, depending on how far along gestation is.
"I didn't understand what abortion was until I was in my late 20's trying to get pregnant."
So, you are admitting that you are an ignorant boob?"
"You can't look at pictures of a developing fetus and say its not a baby."
Except that most abortions are performed during the 1st trimester when the product of conception is a blastocyst not a fetus. The pictures the anti-abortion crowd show are of 3rd trimester fetuses which do look much like a baby. It is a misleading tactic to sway the ignorant.
Some people are just plain stupid. When you're seventeen you can't claim ignorance because you can't read "big" words. If you can't handle polysyllabic words at that age you should get a refund from your school. I'm Dutch and I read Lord of the Rings and the entire Dune series in English when I was 16.
<<I didn't understand what abortion was until I was in my late 20's trying to get pregnant.>>
Arghh. I didn't know untill my late 20 means that she was 25<x>30 when she got basic sex ed. This is what is fuckiong the country up. I got my sex ed when i was about 10, and once more in school when is was 12 or 13. The school sex ed included teaching how to apply a condom (they had some dildos for practicing), discussing the pill, morning after pill and abortion and the influence of the contraceptive on STD's. The entire class got a condom at the end. How's that for education.
This course of actions renders abortion pretty much a non-isue people aren't left ignorant as to the prevention of pregnancies.
I guess it would obviously be far preferable to give women taking the pill a piece of card saying:
"YOU TAKEE, NO BABY."
than actually giving them a leaflet that describes how it works, contraindications, how to take it, side effects, what to do if you miss one... etc
Didn't anyone catch on that this is a fundie on a Catholic forum who, despite her religions beliefs, started on BIRTH CONTROL at 17. Now, there's really only two reasons to start that then. One is out of fear of being raped, so you get on birth control just to be safe. The other is because you plan to fuck around and don't want to risk pregnancy. I wonder which is the reason SHE did it?
Actually Nezu there was another reason for putting young women on the pill, and it had to do with painful or problematic menstual cycles.
I'm not sure if it is still handled that way, but I now it was when I was in my late teens and early twenties, some twenty five years ago.
Nezu Chiza, there also are other medical reasons for being on the pill, usually related to either hormonal balance or regularization of the menstrual cycle. So it's possible that this would have been a usage of the pill that even the Church would not have minded, provided that the girl were to be abstinent as well.
Admittedly, however, if she were abstinent, then the whole issue of a birth-control pill actually interfering with pregnancy wouldn't be an issue.
EDIT: Drat. Berny posted his response while I was still writing mine.
~David D.G.
The pill is an anaovulant, that is, it prevents an ovule to get out. Of course, you can't connect a meaning that it doesn't appear, specially with big words.
If you didn't know what an abortion is until your late twenties, but you were taking the pill(?), without knowing what it is, I wonder how you survived.
Also, Nezu, my Catholic oldest friend went on the pill to regulate her cycles so that she could then go on to use natural family planning more reliably. This, apparently, is (or was back then at any rate) perfectly acceptable to the Catholic Church (in the UK, at least).
I think she may have forgotten to stop taking them though... Sensible, my friend. Definitely not fundie.
"When I was on the pill, years and years ago, I didn't know. They give you a huge piece of paper with very tiny print, lots of big words etc. I tried to read it but I don't think I got all the way through"
The piece of paper said, 'This pill kill your baby, you want kill your baby ??'
This same girl went on to sue the makers of an electric hedge trimmer because the instructions didn't tell you not to use it as a tampon. Well they may have done but she didn't read them, I mean really who reads things ??
You maybe, but I think if you saw pictures of the embryo that is prevented by pills, along with pig, dolphin, and elephant embryos, you wouldn't have any fucking clue what you were looking at.
I empathize with the sheltered upbringing. I also recollect them stressing in Catholic theology class that the Pill might not prevent ovulation but could block implantation. So yeah, in that way, the Pill could terminate the reproductive process. This is also a fairly common occurrence in unmedicated biology.
I am also just a stupid guy on the internet and cannot confirm that. Is there a doctor in the house?
And just because it seems appropriate:
http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
1. The pill a preventative measure, I'm not sure of the exact mechanism, but I think most prevent fertilized eggs from attaching to the uterine wall and developing. Nothing gets aborted.
2. Have you looked at the developmental stage the pill effects? Go way past that and look at a 6 week old fetus and try and tell me it doesn't look very, very like a fish fetus, a chicken fetus or in fact ANY FREAKING VERTEBRATE FETUS!
Matilde, the emergency pill couldn't have been available OTC then, bcuz the only one i kno of that is available that way is Plan B, and it's availability OTC is very recent. and even if Plan B WAS available then, it's not "abortifacient." It prevents pregnancy only if u r not already pregnant. if u've already conceived it doesn't abort the embryo. unless the ads that they ran almost every doggone day are lying.
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