Maths will kill the evolution of every biological structure.
Just wanted to know if anyone has any mathematical statistic or probability calculations for the evolutionary products delineating the probability of them arising in the time they have to arise with reliable pathways elucidated.
Untill this has been done evolution is completely ungrounded and i predict now that it is the inabililty to do this maths and the conclusion of future attempts to do this maths that will spell the undoing of evolutionary theory!! you heard it here first.
its the lack of maths that Is powering ID and true they dont have it all worked out but it is felt missing in the current framework and felt to be against the current framework the evolution of every biological structure by random processes just feels mathematicly off, by a rather large margin
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maths? wtf?
You can't disprove something by saying it's too improbable, because that implies that it eventually will happen. The probability that life will occur in a certin spot is highly unlikely. But however when that is now applied to a Universe as vast as this one, what was once improbable becomes highly probable.
As Martin Nowak, a Harvard professor of mathematics and evolutionary biology said, "We cannot calculate the probability that an eye came about. We don't have the information to make the calculation." This was in response to ID proponent William Dembski's claim that he could "prove" that evolution was mathematically impossible (he can't).
"We cannot calculate the probability that an eye came about."
It's funny. This guys says "maths" like it's the name of an alien creature or something, and then I remember King Bush using the phrase "fuzzy math", and that leads to me thinking of the phrase "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy", which will only make sense to those of you who have played Yoshi's Island.
"its the lack of maths that Is powering ID and true they dont have it all worked out but it is felt missing in the current framework and felt to be against the current framework the evolution of every biological structure by random processes just feels mathematicly off, by a rather large margin"....
"It's funny. This guys says "maths" like it's the name of an alien creature or something, and then I remember King Bush using the phrase "fuzzy math", and that leads to me thinking of the phrase "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy", which will only make sense to those of you who have played Yoshi's Island.
Maths, math, whatever. I like to think that the level of discourse here is a bit above the style guidelines at Conservapedia, honestly, so I'm not too inclined to get worked up over a Britishism.
dickhead, maths has proven evolution, which is not a chance process. Do some research on the topic, rather than spouting crap on stuff you dont understand
In the seventies there was a conference on the subject of intelligent life on other planets. Carl Sagan made an estimate of the odds of homo sapiens evolving independently on some other planet. The creationists took that and said it represented the chances that humans evolved on earth, attaching Sagan's name to it, of course - "Famous evolutionist Carl Sagan says that the odds of humans evolving are astronomically small."
@Brian X: "Maths, math, whatever. I like to think that the level of discourse here is a bit above the style guidelines at Conservapedia, honestly, so I'm not too inclined to get worked up over a Britishism."
@jouster: "And there are more American English speakers than any other English-speaking group."as a first language than any other dialect, more people overall use British English spellings and grammar than don't (about half a billion Indians, for a start).
There are about 1.5 billion people worldwide who speak English in some form, I doubt a paltry 290 million Americans or 65 million British can really claim to speak the 'definitive' version.
I hate to criticize but yes the 'maths' have been done and the only reason we evolutionists who have a bachelor's degree or more in biology [trained in checking our fallible selves] believe that these are the current and historic processes is because they are supported by mountains of mutually corroborating evidence. If, one day, there is an explanation with evidence that explains a different process, we will further the intellectual pursuit of that one. We choose to only believe what IS supported by maths, a.k.a. math or mathematics or statistical probability analysis protocols. Math is the art, the language of science, and it indeed does bear out evolution. Don't take my word for it, consult Journals, where it's in everyone's interest to check their facts.
You don't "feel" the math. You do the calculus.
And an a posteriori study allows me to predicts that chances for evolution to lead us to the current situation aaaare...
*cheking my genitals are still where I left them*
...100% !
"you heard it here first."
Oh please, don't flatter yourself. This "proof," just like every other creationist "proof" has been floating around for decades, in spite of having been refuted thousands of times.
Every night i play at least one game of Yahtzee. Rolling a Yahtzee tonight (5 dice, all the same number), there’s only a 1 in 1296 chance.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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