One of the biggest patriarchal secrets has been the rape of girls by male relatives in “normal, happy families.” We’re taught the lie of “family love,” but we live the reality of family rape.
Many Lesbians don’t want to know about the extent of family rape and the reality of male violence in general, and say that talking about it is “negative.” That attitude weakens us. Knowing and facing the truth stops the flow of self-hatred in ourselves. Men don’t want us to remember or to know what they’ve done and continue to do. They don’t want us to remember the power we felt in our essence as little girls before they began their assaults. And they don’t want us to regain our full selves, because then we can stop them and change the world. Our families fight to stop us from talking about rape by male family, to protect our attackers. For most of us, we already know the truth. To finally say it out loud and to fight it politically releases the horror and frees us.
Girls are literally owned by their rapist fathers. Families exist in order for men to be served by females — domestically, emotionally, and sexually. A lot of us haven’t realized until recently that such sexual service is required of daughters as well as wives, and that the rapists include all male family members as well as fathers. Combining the numbers of reported assaults10 with the many more unreported ones (especially knowing that many victims of rape by male relatives forget the attack, and others lack information to name it for what it is), we believe over 90% of all girls are victims of family rape. Of the many females we know who were raped as girls, none reported it to the authorities. The majority don’t tell what they know won’t be believed. And they’re also in fear for their lives. Most who did tell their mothers were not protected. Instead, the mothers defended and protected their husbands, sons, and other male relatives, and the attacks continued. The horror of living with rapists, sadists, and their collaborators — usually without the support of one person –means many little girls survive by forgetting the attacks and ultimately forgetting much of our/their own girlhoods. This mental and psychic colonization10 is even more powerful than males’ ownership of our bodies.
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"we believe over 90% of all girls are victims of family rape."
I would say you pulled that statistic out of your ass, but I don't want you to accuse me of rape.
The problem with this post is there is valid points in there but they get a bit lost in the black and white perspective that I think radical feminism often advocates. It is certainly true that abuse in families happens and that it is in some cases covered up and the girls in question are not believed about the abuse. Even the statement "Families exist in order for men to be served by females domestically, emotionally, and sexually" has much truth in it, especially historically. The problem is that it just becomes a mess of "all men rape their kids and if we don't know that they do, well its because no-one ever reports it and/or it's repressed". I can believe that child abuse is more common than we think, but over 90% of girls being raped as a child seems a very implausible statistic. Also I find the idea that all men are violent assholes who want to oppress and control women implausible, and it almost seems in these sorts of theories that there is some secret cabal of men planning on how best to crush women.
There are a lot of pathological families out there, and they are termed "pathological" exactly because they are not normal. The group Bev Jo associates with may well be disproportionately the product of such families. 90% may even be valid among them. It is not valid for the population at large. And although a heavily patriarchal family structure does make such abuse almost impossible to escape, even in such societies it is far from "normal".
We know from research that traumatic events are usually remembered more vividly, not less, and that those memories tend to recur, so your pseudo-science repressed memory thing is mostly BS, as are your statistics.
Incest is widespread and underreported. Please stop making things worse for real victims.
For someone who likes to imagine herself as being empowered, Bev Jo seems positively terrified of the world. She's like a Christian fundamentalist, only even more pathetic. At least the Christian fundamentalists can imagine a pleasant cabin int the sky for themselves and eternal torment for those they dislike. Bev Jo's terrors have no such respite.
I almost feel sorry for her
UHM: Children do repress the memories. They often don't understand what happened to them; they nonetheless feel profoundly shamed at the time and don't want to recall it; the perpetrator may be someone with some kind of power over them, whom they can't escape. If the sexual incident did not involve penetration or injury, it would usually not come to any other adult's attention, and it would likely be repressed, just to allow the child to function normally. Now, I have known the currently grown-up victims of such transgressions to believe them to be universal, as this woman does, and to think all women who do not report such incidents to be "in denial". Of course, that is nothing but projection. But children, and even some adults, do suppress or distort traumatic memories, including sexual ones.
Incest and rape in the family are much bigger problems than are generally accounted for and are severely underreported. That is, however, not an excuse to try and destroy safe, loving families so Bev Jo can "change the world." Be specific in your accusations and back them up with clearly sourced statistics, then we'll listen. Until then, all you're doing is preying on rape victims.
citations needed - really a lot of citations
you also need to mention boys molested by fathers , mothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and grandparents.
As a biological male, egalitarian, and rape survivor, I have to say that Bev Jo makes me sick.
I'm a member of a household that's pretty much matriarchal, because (though we're all egalitarian) the woman in the house earns more & makes better financial decisions. Bev thinks that doesn't happen.
My long-term girlfriend was raised entirely by a single mother. That's actually not uncommon, unless you live in Bev's fantasy world.
I have never had the urge to control, own, or rape anyone. In Bev's twisted version of reality, that simply does not happen.
Bev needs a therapist, and a good dose of reality. I feel bad for her, because of whatever she endured to make her this way... but that still doesn't excuse the fact that she's lying & making up numbers in order to demonize an entire half of the population instead of focusing on the actual shitheads that do what she claims.
It does a real disservice to real victims of rape and incest to exaggerate it out of all proportion like this. If you claim that it's universal, the net effect might be to increase scepticism about genuine claims, for the simple reason that it's quite obviously not universal, unless they're defining "rape" as "anything a male did that we didn't like".
That stuff about "forgetting attacks" is encouraging people to construct false memories, like we saw in the 80s with the "satanic abuse" stuff. If you're going to accuse someone of a crime as serious as rape, you need evidence.
So you want to believe that almost all women are raped by their families, but since you can't prove it, you decide that men have magic mind control powers and can use it to make women forget they've been raped? I'm sorry that your daddy raped you Bev, but stop taking it out on everybody else.
Reynardine has it right with "The group Bev Jo associates with may well be disproportionately the product of such families. 90% may even be valid among them."
But Bev Jo is attempting to normalize a situation that is catastrophically abmormal. I have sympathy for most abuse survivors, but only pity for her.
Oh Bev? I was raped by my mother when I was a boy... raped as a way to "prove" to me that I wasn't being sexually assaulted by someone else. (since now I would KNOW what being sexually assaulted was like so I would be able to tell if I was or not... I love that logic)
Bet you think I was the rapist though...
... Tap dancing Jesus-fucking-Christ... Rape within a family is a serious and, yes, often ignored issue. This is indeed unacceptable and women and girls should be protected from any family member who harms them. They shouldn't be ignored or shamed when they are abused. But everything else said here is a bunch of bullshit.
"Radical feminists" need to actually be feminists and not bloviating liars who pull random shit out of their ass and totally misrepresent important issues. A family unit does not exist so men can rape... There are plenty of decent families out there with no rape or sexual abuse going on.
If we exist in this vast patriarchal society in which all men are rapists and abusers, then why are rapists and abusers ever prosecuted by the patriarchy of abusers and rapists?
And thank you for once again undermining women. Apparently the overwhelming majority of us are so weak that we become helpers of our abusers and assist in the harm of our children. I do not believe in the mythical idea of all mothers protecting their children to the bitter end, but I do believe that most mothers are decent human beings that are capable of telling an abusive male to get away from their children.
UHM: A successful suppression of memory does result in forgetting. Nonetheless, the experience often evinces itself in dreams, phobias, anxiety attacks, and psychosomatic symptoms. A recovered memory that relates to a history of these is probably genuine. Large numbers of stereotyped "memories" emerging at once, particularly from patients of the same therapist or group of therapists, deserve much harder scrutiny.
@ laughingcow: Radical feminists would probably argue that 1) prosecution rates for rape are low and women are often not believed about rape and are told they were "asking for it" (which is true, at least in many cases), 2) men only are interesting in protecting "their" women from sexual access from other males, e.g. the white male going on about black men being a threat to "their" women's "purity", etc. In this case, according to radical feminists, as the girl child belongs to the man, he can carry out whatever acts he likes without threat of retribution from the state. The laws against rape do not exist to protect women against abuse, on this perspective, they only exist so that men can divvy up the women according to whatever criteria and then ensure complete ownership over "their" women.
I'm not a radical feminist FWIW, but they would have an answer to your question.
Wow, what a fucked up (Aheheh) family you had!
Joking aside,some of these issues are important, and you are doing a disservice to them by making such childish moronic claims about half of human race.
"Families exist in order for men to be served by females domestically, emotionally, and sexually."
Horse shit. Families exist as a support structure for all involved, especially women and children, "traditionally" if a sacrifice had to be made it fell on the adult male's shoulders.
I have to wonder how offended women like this feel when they are prioritized over men in literally every dangerous situation.
A lot of feminists seem to view woman as helpless children whose lives are completely dominated by men.
"we believe over 90% of all girls are victims of family rape"
Then you are insane. If you were the victim of such a sexual assault, then I feel sorry for you and you need to pick up the phone and call a therapist. But stating that such assaults are the norm is just lying.
See, if you stretch the definition enough, it'll be accurate. Hugged when you didn't want to be hugged, for instance.
I'm sorry for you, if that is the way your family functions. I doubt that this is the norm, though, that as many as 90 percent of all women have experienced this. If that is really the case, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones...
Btw, little boys are also raped/molested and there are female perpertrators too.
Not every male family member or friends wants to rape you. If they do towards you, call the police. But right now, I just hate you. I think you're heart's in the right place, but you're doing it wrong. Try to prevent all rape, Bev.
Not every male family member or friends wants to rape you. If they do towards you, call the police. But right now, I just hate you. I think you're heart's in the right place, but you're doing it wrong. Try to prevent all rape, Bev.
"we believe over 90% of all girls are victims of family rape."
With the qualifier of 'raped girls', replacing "all girls" that's a valid leap. Most girls are raped by people they know, often family or friends of family. That's also why most rapes when young are unreported. Statistics.
This isn't a comment from "cut their nuts off" or "Women should rule all" sites. This isn't even 'all men are awful. by itself.
@1632809
She did say "all girls" so this is a crazy radfem quote all by itself. Did you follow the link and read the original article? This fucking lunatic thinks that all men are evil rapists, all women can choose to be lesbians and the only reason a woman would be interested in men is because she has been brainwashed by the patriarchy into thinking heterosexuality is okay. She literally means 90% of all girls everywhere and given how extreme she is I'm surprised she thinks it's that low.
@Cyclonus
No, I didn't.
I responded to that comment only.
So she is a cut ALL their nuts off type,,,?
That's nasty, girls usually don't go there. Guess that's why someone posted it to a 'fundie' site.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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