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Feminists today are scary hairy loud mean nasty women (and liberal) devoted to destroying the family.

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old comment by birdseatbugs

So, Mama, you'd like it if you were subject to the whims of men? Would you like to be stripped of the right to vote, the priviledge of driving, the ability to divorce your husband if you no longer had anything in common with him outside of your children?
Tell me, Mama, do you want to be treated like a cow, fit for nothing more than breeding (and keeping house)? Do you want to be relieved of the ability to obtain employment with nearly equal pay for equal work? Do you really want to be told where you can go, who you can socialize with, what you can wear, how late you can stay out, as if you were a child? Do you? Seriously, I want to know: of all of the advances that feminism has made possible for women, including the right to choose to marry and stay home to raise a family if that's what you want, what could you happily live without? At the heart of it, feminism is merely the radical notion that women are people too, and deserve the same sort of consideration as men.

old comment by mamacags

At one time we needed feminists. HOWEVER, the womyn in charge of that movement now are doing all they can to make sure men, parents, and responsible women are booted to the curb. If you go to the sites where these nonmale humyns hang out you will read the nasty filth they spew. Can't keep your legs closed, get an abortion. Don't want to be tied down, dump your kids with your parents and leave. You don't need a father figure for your kids, just get a manly "Partner" to take care of those jobs. What the hell is wrong with having a loving two opposite sex married parents? What is wrong with having an unwanted baby and putting it up for adoption? What is wrong with wanting to be a stay at home mom raising your own children instead of sending them to daycare?

old comment by Sierra

mamacags - strangely, in all the feminist blogs I read regularly, and I do read quite a few of them, I've never seen anyone say that a woman should just abandon her kids, nor have I ever seen the misogynist "keep your legs closed" phrase. Ever.
What's wrong with putting your kids up for adoption? I don't know, "mama"cags, what's wrong with adopting any of the hundreds of thousands of kids currently in the foster care system? Go to adoptuskids.org, and adopt a few. What's wrong with being a stay at home mom? Well, unlike the conservative funland that a lot of anti-feminists seem to live in, not everyone can afford to raise several children on one income. And if they do, like my mother did, it is not uncommon for stay-at-home moms to find themselves thirteen years older with a husband who just ran off with a blonde woman have his age, with no savings (that'll teach her to trust!) and interviewers who give them the "You haven't had a "real job" for over a decade and now you think you can work?" attitude. In the real world, situations are mind-bogglingly complex and individual, and there is no one solution that will work in all situations. Someday, you'll realize that life is nuanced, that women still face sexism, that not everyone is as wealthy as your average "I just got a tax-cut-hooray!" republian. Until then, think before you post.

old comment by mamacags

Sierra, I think your mom should have taken away your father's testicles before he left her. Also I find it a good thing to be listed on every single investment, bank account, credit card and house that way if he leaves you get everything. You should always have a back up plan. I am not talking about cases like your mom where your dad didn't live up to his commitments and cut and ran. I am talking about people who can make sacrifices to stay at home. I don't fault anyone who gets no support for putting their kids in day care. I fault the POS father's who think that once they are out of the house they don't have to take care of their kids anymore.
I don't like the feminist that think that men have no place in this world, that thier opinion doesn't count when it is their baby too, and they are just someone to use as a whipping boy. If you watched the NARAL women on CSPAN at their rally you will know what kind of women I am talking about. They make me ill. I don't consider regular women to be feminists. I don't really think we have anything we need to be fighting for anymore. What don't we have?

old comment by Sierra

Well, I'll let my mom know that Mamacags from RaptureReady knows exactly what she should have done differently (without, you know, knowing ANYTHING about her situation).
You did not qualify your statement at all. You are still hissing and spitting at women who just don't exist. I saw a black guy the other day on CSPAN talking about how black people need to kill all white people because white people are trying to kill them. I'm not joking or exaggerating, and I can get you a link to the video if you like. Does this mean all people who support equality for black people are like that? Do you really think you should base your opinion of feminists (or women who work!) on one wingnut you happened to see on TV one day? You did not qualify what you said about working women, preferring instead to paint them with every broad brush within reach. You are furiously backpedaling now because you realize, "Oh, shit, someone saw through my bigotry!" Insulting my father instead of my mother won't change the fact that you're oversimplifying situations you know nothing about. My father is not a POS. He fell into a coma when I was six and has had problems ever since. No, moving out with his new girlfriend was not the nicest thing he's ever done, but he's not a worthless person because of it. He has caused my brother and me immeasurable harm because of his actions, but I do not think he meant to. People are just far too complex and nuanced to pigeonhole into a Dr. Laura stereotype, especially when the people in question are people you do not know. I think your posts on this thread show exactly what women still need to fight against. And if you've been watching the news, you'd see that now, in some states, rapists have the right to sue their victims for their _parental_rights_ from jail, parental rights to the fetus that the rape victim is now forced to carry to term. Hell yea regular women should be feminists, and hell yea we still have a long way to go.

old comment by birdseatbugs

I'm still curious, Mamacags. How about learning to read and write? How about the ability to go to college if you should so choose? The ability to learn to use technology, like a computer; to go online and post things to a message board...
There are so many things that women take for granted today that feminists throughout the ages have fought for. I still yearn to know: do you truly want to go back to a time when a woman could only do what men said she could? What of the many many advances that feminism has made could you truly honestly live without? And as for what women still don't have... Equal pay for equal work. Last I knew, women were not allowed to serve on nuclear submarines, despite the fact that, y'know, there's not exactly gender-specific equipment on a sub. South Dakota has decided that women should not be able to choose what happens within their wombs, so women have to have that fight AGAIN. Women are still treated as inferior in many places, whether overtly or covertly. Women are still raped, abused, and killed, because there are still men that think that's somehow 'okay' because they're just women. Poor women who collect welfare are still thought of as somehow worth less than a poor man. Poor women who have to work three jobs are laughed at by the president, instead of being asked how the system failed so badly. The Equal Rights Amendment has NEVER been ratified. Decent, humane, and consideration/treatment on the same level as men is what women still do not have.

old comment by David D.G.

mamacags #24367
<< I commented a while ago on this and for some reason it is now gone, so let me repeat myself.... OHHHHHHHHHHH sorry I forgot that before NARAL, NOW, and Margaret Sanger all women were victims. Thanks for straightening me out. How we ever did anything in this world is a mystery. I mean screw all of those female world leaders before 1900. They don't count. >> -------------- True, there were a few female world leaders before 1900. Also a few female artists, inventors, explorers, doctors, and scientists, among other things. And you know what? They were invariably major exceptions to the vast rule of domination by males, outnumbered by a ratio in the millions. How many of these same women who were such leaders could actually vote, or could own property separately from their husbands or male relatives, or were entitled to not be beaten by their husbands at a whim, or were not utterly excluded from most professions? Pointing out that there have been a handful of female world leaders before 1900 is moot. The most important fact that makes their names household words today is the fact that they WERE female world leaders in a time when that was largely an oxymoron. They were the exceptions that proved the rule. ~David D.G.

old comment by Alena

mamacags wrote: What the hell is wrong with having a loving two opposite sex married parents? What is wrong with having an unwanted baby and putting it up for adoption? What is wrong with wanting to be a stay at home mom raising your own children instead of sending them to daycare?

[1] Absolutely nothing.
[2] Absolutely nothing.
[3] Absolutely nothing.

HOWEVER. These are all choices that you are allowed to make. Feminism isn't about limiting choices; it's about having the ability to choose. I never want children, I never want a husband or a wife... basically, I never want anything to do with the typical "family" scene.

Feminism is what allows me to have a life that isn't devoted to kids or a husband. Quite frankly, if I was forced to live as a devoted wife and pop out kids, I would kill myself. That is not an exaggeration or a statement said without thought and consideration. I could not live like that, I could not live that life, and I would either force a way for me to live differently or I would end my life.

I respect women who stay at home to take care of the kids, or put up a child for adoption rather than abort it, or raise a child in a loving, opposite-sex environment but only if it is their choice. If that is truly what they want, then all the more power to them.

I respect women who work outside the home, who have an abortion rather than give birth to a child they don't want, who raise their child in a single-parent or same-sex parent household it is their choice.

Feminism is about giving women more options, not destroying and replacing the roles women can already choose. Feminism is just as much about the stay-at-home wife as it is about the career woman. Feminism is what ensures that the stay-at-home wife plays that role because she wants to, not because she's forced into it.

Which would you prefer, Mamacags? Being raised by a happy, healthy stay-at-home mom who is honestly happy to not work in order to be with her children, or being raised by a mom who desperately wishes she could get out of the house and do something else productive with her life besides raising children.

Would you honestly want your mother your own mother to be forced to stay at home with you 24/7, even if she was miserable because of it, just to preserve the outdated concept of the "traditional family"?

Feminism means you give a damn about what women besides yourself want.

Feminism means you comprehend that all women are different, and want different things out of life than you do.

Feminism means that you wake up, poke your head outside of your own personal, selfish little bubble, and realize that women are not a collective hive mind that only focuses on the family and home life.

In short, feminism is the radical belief that women are human beings.

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