If God did not send billions of people to Hell, I would not worship Him
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Uh-oh, Bent, if you take plesure in the thought of having large numbers of people NOT embrace your belief and thereby be tortured, you'll be among them. Enjoy your wienie roast!
So you worship him because he damns people? Not because he saves them? Not because he saves you? You follow him because he throws people in Hell and if he didn't do that, you would refuse to follow?
Dude, that's just fucked up.
But Brent. Basically your divine being breaks with the base of your batty beleifs. Betting your Baptist, this doesnt bewilder me. Bunches of Baptists I've brushed against beleive the bible is only binding when its bellowed on their breath (but i dont mean to bring a boiler plate to baptists. my buddys baptist so I beg pardon if I bait any person who peeks at this post Brents my bulls-eye here) But anyways, back to Brent, why beleive the bible only when barked from your beak. I beleive your being belted brotherhood and benevolence. But you beef up your beleif that this being believed bigotry and brutality. You better brush up on your bible Its barefaced to see the last bout you had with a bible open was in your baby days buster! But I babble best to be breif, You may call me /B/!!!!!!
B(r)ent, GO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP! You're a twisted little fuck with something seriously wrong in your head. Normal people with feelings find the suffering of others to be saddening and intolerable, not an occasion for joy.
Sick fucking, self-righteous, asshole, shithead.
Fucking pompous, supercilious, execrable, arrogant worm.
Haughty, shit-witted, macabre, microscopic bit of septic tank drizzle.
Please, die now.
I stand by my words. Hell is a sad reality, and billions of people will be sent there. Sin must be destroyed. If God did not punish sin, He wouldn't be Holy.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY Way to Heaven. Unless your sins were punished in Him at calvary, you'll pay for your sins forever in Hell. It's just that simple.
You've got to repent, and believe!
That's the ONLY Way! And remember, my friends, not believing in Hell won't make it 1 degree cooler when you're cast there. Being a "good person" isn't good enough. You've got to trust in the merits of Christ alone. Otherwise, you will burn in Hell forever.
God sends people to Hell because He is Holy. If He didn't send people to Hell, He wouldn't be Holy, and that's why I wouldn't worship a god such as that.
"but I seem to remember the Bible saying somewhere that no one knows for sure if they are going to heaven."
Wrong. That's a Catholic teaching, and it's straight from the pit of Hell. The Bible says, in 1 John 5:11-12, And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. There is no middle ground. Either you're heading for Heaven, or you're heading for Hell.
The Roman cult is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. In its vile history, it has spewed out more damnable heresies than any other religion. BILLIONS of people are going to Hell because of Rome's trickery.
(I am not saying ALL Catholics go to Hell. Simply that the Roman cult is an institution of darkness, and it is unlikely that many there will be saved).
In other words, it doesn't matter if you've lived a good, productive life after all. A serial killer can enter heaven, if he accepted Jesus Christ before his death. However, the victims that he tortured and murdered might go to hell - if they hadn't accepted Jesus. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this picture whatsoever!
The above comment is NOT mine. Wow, you libbies are stooping to a new low, aren't you.
When a person comes to faith in Jesus Christ, he or she will continue walking in faith. Unrepentant murderers, sodomites, etc., will be cast into Hell. No true Christian would commit murder.
Also, I reject "death bed repentance." People who put off salvation will likely wind up burning in Hell. When they cry out to God in their last moments, He probably won't listen to them. Consider Proverbs 1:26-30
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: 29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: 30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Well, B(r)ent, I'll see you in the lake of fire then; since all your bible revisionism[*] is a sin against God's word. As you say, sin must be punished.
[* "Several thousand years passed by before fusion within the Jovian core ceased, leaving Jupiter as a large, gaseous planet. With exception of Venus, the Solar system plunged into an ice age. Earth remained lifeless and frozen for thousands, or possibly millions of years. [...] During the six Creative days (of 24 hours each), God restored the Earth, Sun, and Moon, to their present state" -- T'ain't in the bible, son!]
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Yup, 'liberal' is certainly a very terrible word, isn't it?
But Brent, if God didn't send people to Hell, that would be his prerogative; that would be the teaching of Christianity, and he would be still considered "Holy."
Of course, if you only believe in God because you like the idea of non-conformists being tortured for eternity in Hell, that technically makes you a worshipper of said fiery abyss.
Either you're heading for Heaven, or you're heading for Hell.
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Being a "good person" isn't good enough. You've got to trust in the merits of Christ alone.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:19-20
Keep it up. Your own "holy book" is refuting you left and right (possibly because it's so full of contradictions in the first place).
#196112 is not my comment. You liberals are sinking to a new low by hijacking my screen name. Losers.
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." - Ecclesiastes 9:5
This passage is referring to the bodies of the living and of the dead. Their souls, however, are either in Heaven or in Hell. (Luke 16:22-23, Psalm 9:17, Luke 23:43). At the Resurrection, our bodies will be reunited with our Souls: the righteous unto the Resurrection of Life, and the unrighteous unto the resurrection of destruction. (Revelation 20:13, Revelation 20:14, Matthew 25:46).
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:19-20
As I stated: When a person comes to faith in Jesus Christ, he or she will continue walking in faith. Unrepentant murderers, sodomites, etc., will be cast into Hell. No true Christian would commit murder. Ephesians 2:8-10 says it even better:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
*Yawn*
i dunno about mr. B(R)ent here, but.... most people i know who are christians are attracted to the religion because they believe that god loves them--not because they believe that god will damn them to the fiery confines of hell for the slightest misdemeanor.
anyway, god sounds a bit like a small-town sheriff who has a lot of power and likes to abuse it.
Brent, go fuck yourself, you hypocrite. You preach and speak about love and forgiveness, and God's mercy, but do you have any idea what that really means? How many souls do you want to be condemned so you can go on believing your own little world of lies and intolerance?
Oh, and I have a little problem with this comment of yours:
"In other words, it doesn't matter if you've lived a good, productive life after all. A serial killer can enter heaven, if he accepted Jesus Christ before his death. However, the victims that he tortured and murdered might go to hell - if they hadn't accepted Jesus. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this picture whatsoever! "
THOU SHALT NOT KILL. I'm not a Christian, but if you're going to say you are, at least know what the fuck you "believe" in. You people make me sick. You're not a true Christian.
"Yes! Let's forget all about the Golden Rule that says to treat other people in the same way as you would like to be treated!"
the golden rule? i like that one. truly, i do. now why don't you practice what you preach? goodness. would YOU want somebody to belittle your decision to be a christian and follow the bible? no? so then how come you belittle, insult, and act like a general all-around asshole to anybody who disagrees with you? or do the non-christians not qualify in your mind?
Brent you should quit now, before you continue to embarrass yourself. Every here can see that you're a self-righteous, disturbed fundie nutjob. You're the only one who doesn't see that which isn't surprising to me in the least.
Whoever is posting falsely under Brent's name, please stop it. He needs no help in looking sadistic and foolish, and the trollish posting is just confusing to the rest of us.
And Brent, please do not vilify all of us "liberals" (or whatever) here for what just one person is doing. We don't hold you responsible for all crazy fundie comments -- just your own.
~David D.G.
DiZtheGreat,
"Oh, and I have a little problem with this comment of yours"
Please pay attention: I did not author that comment. It was a troll . Quite pitiful, don't you think?
As I said, "When a person comes to faith in Jesus Christ, he or she will continue walking in faith. Unrepentant murderers, sodomites, etc., will be cast into Hell. No true Christian would commit murder." How can I make myself any more clear?
"You're not a true Christian."
Wrong. Unlike so-called "Liberal Christians," I follow the WHOLE Bible. Not just the parts I like!
I hope you enjoy being one of the billions, Brent. The word of god are so twisted and contradictory that it must be impossible to get into heaven.
I bet there's a whole level of hell set aside for fundies, popes, cardinals and priests - not to mention messiahs.
B(r)ent follows the whole bible, not just the bits he likes? How? Surely you'd have to be schizophrenic to do that... Oh, wait... Schizophrenics hear voices, don't they? In their heads, telling them things? Earth logic doesn't apply...
Yes, that would explain it. Partly anyway.
He really is a sad, sorry little excuse for a human being, isn't he?
Hey, bub have you considered what happens if you are NOT one of "the Elect"?
I'd sure hate for that cute blond head and those cute chin whiskers you've got on your face to get singed.
I've wondered, B®ent do you get a hard-on writing these silly little polemics where you damn millions of people to Hell while excusing your own sins?
Oh, I get it. God's just a big ol' action hero. Like Bruce Willis.
YEAH! Take that, you damned sinners! In yo face!!!
After that God'll jump the chasm with the Pope in the General Lee.
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WHEEEE!!!!
Isn't the population of hell what at least some of us are supposed to be minimizing ?
Oh, and what Sandman said.
Okay, Brent, something I've been wondering about for a while. You say that the only way to Heaven is to accept Jesus, because all men are evil/sinful and deserve to pay for their sins, but that accepting Jesus will allow your sins to be forgiven and you to go to Heaven. My one question is- why? If Jesus died for our sins, why do we need to accept him in particular? It seems kind of odd to me that someone willing to make such a great sacrifice to save mankind would require someone to accept him in particular- why can't he just forgive us all without such an arbitrary prerequisite? Is it because we need to repent of our sins? If it is, why do you need to repent to Jesus in particular? I'd think that Jesus could be flexible enough to forgive anyone who tries their best to be a good person and who is truly sorry for any wrongs they may have done.
Furthermore, if God is all-powerful, couldn't he create a system that would allow more people to be saved, given that he apparently loves us all and doesn't want us to burn in Hell for eternity? It seems kind of odd to me that such a flawed system is the best an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving being could do.
Hell is, like reality, your eyes and ears and other senses. Believe that you see, hear and something, and it will be. Remember, there is no spoon!
@ Flippant
Are you retarded, sir?
"...because I'm one of the SPECIAL ones!"
Yeah, sure. Whatever. You think happiness (or "heaven", if you prefer) is a zero-sum game, and whenever anybody else wins, that means you lose? Then you are antisocial creep, and I don't want to play any more.
<** takes ball, goes home**>
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