And God says He wrote the Bible so why not believe that - when you see a book written by an author, you don't question it, so why do we question whether God wrote (or inspired) the bible.
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God says he wrote the Bible, so we should believe that, because the Bible says so.
And we should believe in the Bible because God wrote it.
I need to lay down. The spinning is making me dizzy.
... so, in that case, one should believe the Quran, the Book of Mormon (etc etc ad infinitum) too.
Oh, and Shakespeare's authorship is not in doubt. Except by loonies.
Please note: though some authors have attained god-like status in the pantheon of literary figures, they were all flesh and blood figures at one time. Also, I don't recall any of them claiming to actually being divine. (Though I'm sure Geoffrey Archer thinks he is in fact god.)
SO the diary of Adrian Mole Aged 13 and 3/4 was in fact written by Adrian Mole Aged 13 and 3/4 not Sue Townsend?
And every single sports jock that can't tie up their shoes without pictures, yet has pumped out an "auto"biography or two wrote it themselves?
If god wrote the bible you need to run as he's an idiot compared to a great number of his supposed creation. You might as well put a hat on a caveman and ask that he grant you eternal life. On the other hand, if god inspired the writers of the bible (that's the actual claim btw) he or the writers did a poor job of it as the authors managed to contradict themselves repeatedly. In which case it makes one wonder what else is wrong. Who knows, you may be doing something the bible tells you to do, thinking you'll get into heaven, when really god told those nitwits that doing that would result in man going to hell.
Oh and btw, it's not an issue of who wrote the bible so much as if they are reliable sources. Part of what historians do is go to great lengths to analyze the writings of Humans and figure out if they are realiable sources for historical data or not. There are a large number of things in question, not just the bible and so it should be as you don't want someone to come along and read the following in a few thousand years and take it as absolute fact;
"I am god. I predict that someone with brown hair will come along in the future and read this. To you, I say spread the word of me, your god. Tell the people that I will grant them eternal life only if they commit suicide before they die in some other fashion. Life is but a test to see if you have the strength to give it up on faith. If fail, I will send you to a place where you will be tickled forever more.
-Signed your friendly neighborhood god (really it's me...honest)."
In the early days of Christianity people were actually praised for starving themselves to death in their attempt to be more like Jesus. Meanwhile today people repress themselves to the extreme during their one and only life based on ancient words that we are to just assume came from god (according to you anyway) because the bible says so. Please. If your god cared enough to tell us all that then, let him appear before every generation and tell them in person.
Let's consider the possibilities here:
1. Properly Written Scientific Paper/Textbook - doesn't matter who the hell wrote it; all that matters is that it contains assertions and instructions on how to reproduce the necessary observations for yourself and hence satisfy yourself that it's true. Knowing who really wrote it is only really important to the author, as it lets him get paid.
2. Fiction Book - doesn't matter whether actually written by the author named in the text or even if that named person existed at all; all that matters is that the story exists and whether you like it or not. Knowing for certain who wrote it is a happy bonus.
3. Historical Textbook - see science textbook, using archaeology etc for observations.
4. Contemporary Historical Account - should not be implicitly trusted or distrusted on its own; the author could be truthful, or lying, whether deliberately or through error.
I can't think of a single book anywhere that doesn't fit into one of the above four categories somehow, and all but the fictional ones share a common attribute: they are utterly worthless as sources of useful information without comparison against external observations .
The Great Goddess Bhuhl'Schyttah says that She wrote this post, so why not believe that? When you see a book written by, say, JT LeRoy, you don't question it, so why do we question whether the Great Goddess Bhuhl'Schyttah wrote (or inspired) this post?
Because Bronze age sheep herders wrote the bible, NOT God.
By Karis Ann's logic I could fill a book with the most idiotic phrases ever spoken and claim that it was inspired by Ms. Willcock and thus it would be known as the word of Karis Ann.
I might try that.
God says he wrote the Bible.
Ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
Is it possible, perhaps, that the Bible was written by men, claiming to be inspired by God, rather than penned by a supernatural entity who has never shown its face?
I don't believe that god wrote the bible, nor do I believe he "inspired" it.
As written, God is full of contradictions, full of hatred and war and mayhem, full of love and my beloved son and all sorts of other things that simply cannot be resolved in a single individual.
As I read the bible god is a certifiable lunatic.
As John Constantine put it: "God is a kid with an ant farm."
As I see it, God is a mythical construct who makes fictional decisions on a completely arbitrary basis.
why would you believe a god like that? WHY?
LOL
You think Ann M. Martin wrote all of the Babysitters' Club? Francine Pascal all the <i>Sweet Valley</i> series?
Ever heard of ghost writers, Karis?
"when you see a book written by an author, you don't question it"
Incorrect premise: We argue about the authorship of books all the time, even the existence of Homer and, the far more recent, Shakespeare.
Deriamis wrote:
I'm King James. I wrote the bible!
when you see a book written by an author, you don't question it
Unless it's something as old as, say, The Iliad or The Odyssey (most people agree they were written by Homer, but disagree on who Homer was, or even whether Homer was only one person or a group of people). Which are younger than most of the Bible.
Must do research beforehand.
Of course the Odyssey is actually a fair bit older than the Bible, but the point remains!
Gulliver's Travels claims to have been written by Lemuel Gulliver. Is that proof that it was?
Besides, where in the Bible does it say God wrote it? Sure, there's 2 Timothy 3:16 that says "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" But that's Paul saying that, not God or Jesus, and where did Paul get it from? "Scripture" to Paul would have been the Old Testament, the New Testament not having been created yet. And the OT has no such clear-cut assertion that every word, as opposed to certain things like the 10 Commandments, came from God. Plus, the the first [is] isn't clear in the original. An alternative translation is "Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable ...", which has a whole different meaning. Finally, you have Jeremiah 8:8, saying "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood*." (NKJV) - In other words, Jeremiah is accusing wise men of not following God because the scribes have falsified His words.
* the KJV uses the term "in vain", but it is almost the only translation to do so. The original Hebrew definitely uses a word referring to falsehood and deceit.
Umm... because people can lie? And do?
Hey, does anyone remember that movie with the fictional screenwriter? My mind's a blank.
That's a lie - God didn't write the bible.
I know this for a fact because I cut his fingers off and have them in a jar by my bed.
God's my little bitch and you better believe it if you know what's good for you!
Because, one, God never wrote the book, INSPIRED it. Second, because, almighty as he is, he didn't need scribles and paper and ink, as it's written it has. He could use a mega-computer.
Frozen Fox wrote:
I'm Sparticus!
Dammit, that was my line.
I need to stop reading this site, it's making me lose all hope for humanity.
Translation: God wrote it, I believe it, that settles it.
Heard of a pen-name, fucktard?
I just wanted to let everyone know that next month I will be publishing 'the NEW BIBLE'. God came to me and told me to take a message then ranted for a few hours about how we're not supposed to drink water and how all cats are to be painted blue from now on.
And remember, God wrote it through me, you all know you have to accept that.
Last I checked, the Bible only said Holy Bible on it, not by God or anything like that, and no copyright 6000 B.C. either.
Several books, including alleged Gospels such as the Gospel of Thomas were excluded from the canon for being forgeries or heretical. There were, apparently, several fictional texts about Jesus in circulation when the canon was closed. So how do we know that the books that made it into the canon were, in fact, accurate?
I know, I know, god made sure that only then right books made it into the canon.
Problem is, he wrote that in the Bible, where as authors are known to have written their books from such outside sources as interviews, press coverage, book signings, and other books by the same author, as well as being known to exist through their associates and birth cirtificates, not to mention other public records. Your God has none of that.
Confused?
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