(Commenting on a video clip with Sagan explaining about the destruction of the Great Library in Alexandria)
Sagan conveniently skips all the degeneracy these so called " scientists" enagaged in to further open their
Paganism was morally bankrupt by this time. Christianity gave the West a new lease on life.
(Uh, Christianity? The same fanatics who burned down the library? The crusades? Witch burnings and all of that?)
Yeah, the same "fanatics" that took on the Roman Empire, evangelized the barbarians, flushed the Islamics outta Europe, conquered the New World,jump started your little "Renaissance", brought down European nihilism, fascism, communism and are,today, at the threshold of bringing down "scientific atheism". Yeah , those same "fanatics".
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The sheer ocean of fallacies,straw men, broad brushes,racism and teflon slopes crushed me.
The same fanatics that tell people they were made of dirt by a sky spirit, the universe is 6000 years old, genetics is controlled by waving sticks, selling your daughter is okay, water can be turned into wine or walked on (depending on one's mood at the time), psychological disorders are the result of demons and nasty spirits, immunisation shots contain bits and pieces of aborted foetuses, etc. etc. etc. Oh, what a world we will have if the fanatics win: deaths from 'conquered illnesses', theocratic governments ruling according to the scribbled whims of bronze-age pagans, morality that condones genocidal practices for anyone of a different faith, etc. etc. etc.
Christians did have a place... once. But the sad truth is they haven't done that much since aside from act as albatrosses around mankind's neck.
Sagan conveniently skips all the degeneracy these so called " scientists" enagaged in to further open their
Wha...?
Is he confusing the ancient Greeks with Timothy Leary?
I ran my Fallacy Checker software on this post, and it subsequently crashed, corrupted its own files, and deleted itself off my harddrive.
And by the way, muslims were ousted from Europe long before the first Crusade began. It was, you know, this guy, Charles Martel, Charlemagne's grandfather and, funny, there was only ONE battle in Spain that was considered Crusade in the twelfth century. To my knowledge, they were totally expelled in the fifteenth. Do you think it stopped there?, no way man. They went to nowadays Greece, Europe too, by the way, that same century and were expelled in 19th Century with no Crusades involved. Less revisionism.
Excuse me: the burning of the Great Library in Alexandria by the Christians ushered in the beginning of the Dark Ages -- which lasted for 1000 years!decreased when the Dark Ages took hold.
That, for you, constitutes "progress"?
Ok... the Renaissance was catalyzed by people who were interested in the Roman and Greek Empires, you dolt. And Christians didn't "take on" the Roman Empire. A Roman emperor converted and moved the capital to Byzantium, fortunately for Christianity, because it otherwise may not have survived into the fifth century.
>>took on the Roman Empire<<
Err, the Renaissance was not founded by religious fanatics. In fact, the fanatics were railing against it. Loudly. Vociferously. It got pretty ugly, actually.
Do you realise that the Pagans cite, as merit, a compilation of knowledge that was afterwards essential to all the scientists thereafter whereas you only cite as "merits" from Christians their dedication to expell people who didn't agree with them?. Not very edifying.
The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, you shits damn well know this, Christian Rome was the Rome that was sacked, pushed back and reduced to a local power. The church was the viper in the laundry, once they had established themselves they served no Empire and took control outside of Rome, devious, underhanded oppurtunists to this day.
Christian rulers and church leaders enslaved Europe and warred against distant countries in the name of and for the benefit of the Christian empire.
That's the yoke that was thrown off for the Enlightenment and the Renaissance, the church was defanged and relegated to a position of spiritual athority UNDER Kings who had learned to use it's trickery for their own purposes.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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