Design. That's evidence enough for that part, there's design everywhere. Let me ask you this, why do you think the law of gravity is so well calibrated that atoms don't rip themselves apart? Why is the cosmological constant, imagine if you could a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the other end and imagine the inch in the center marked red and if that red marker is moved one inch higher or lower the universe would consist of pieces of matter no bigger than atoms, so fine tuned? You don't understand on how sharp of a raiser we stand.
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"Design. That's evidence enough for that part, there's design everywhere."
Define "design". Please do so in a way that doesn't make it applicable to every fucking thing , thus rendering the word meaningless.
"Let me ask you this, why do you think the law of gravity is so well calibrated that atoms don't rip themselves apart?"
Something to do with quantum physics, I believe. Very complicated, I'm sure.
"Why is the cosmological constant, imagine if you could a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the other end and imagine the inch in the center marked red and if that red marker is moved one inch higher or lower the universe would consist of pieces of matter no bigger than atoms, so fine tuned?"
You're using a very old and very poor argument. The Reader's Digest version of the answer to your question is thus: "If the universe were any different we wouldn't be here discussing this idiocy." In other words, it's pointless to both ask such a question and assign "Gawd" as the one who made the universe the way it is.
"You don't understand on how sharp of a raiser we stand."
Of course I do. Occam told me.
Way to completely reverse the flow of logic there, buddy.
From this assertion, the universe inherently exists and the laws of gravity and physics must conform to its existence.
Go take a physics course or something.
1 Gravity does not hold atoms together, it is far too weak to to that, atoms are held together by the strong nuclear force.
2 You got this stupid ruler from one end of the universe to the other bullshit from some creationist science video and it's wrong
3 Design huh? I defy any 55+ year old man to tell me how well designed his prostate is. Or for that matter any woman in labor to tell me how well designed human birth is.
The understanding of black holes is that they possess enough gravity to rip matter apart, in a manner of speaking. The earth's gravity is wimpy by comparison.
Why a red marker? So you can see it from 13 billion lightyears away? You should be careful pulling razors out of your ass like that.
<i>3 Design huh? I defy any 55+ year old man to tell me how well designed his prostate is. Or for that matter any woman in labor to tell me how well designed human birth is.</i>
Oh, I'm sure he'd just say that God bestows cancer upon people and difficult childbirths to test their faith or some such nonsense. There's always a copout answer handy.
The usual explanation for "fine tuning" is the "shotgun" hypothesis - fire enough pellets and you're bound to hit something: we don't know that there aren't other universes or previous universes that aren't fine-tuned like ours. It's like asking why the earth has good conditions for life. The answer is there are a bunch of planets of different sizes and temperatures and atmospheres, and earth is the one that hit the right combination.
". . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. "
Douglas Adams (1998)
Why is the cosmological constant...so fine tuned?
The cosmological constant was posited by Einstein in his theory of general relativity. Hubble pointed out the instability of a static universe, and Einstein dropped the idea from his equations.
All hail the Random Number God, for He is Incalculable.
Given that an eternity of existence is plenty of time to do so, if you run randomly through a googolplex upon decicentillion (10 to the power of 333, thank Ch.) of universes throughout the infinite multiverse (or somesuch), eventually you'll get the proper conditions for intelligent puddles to evolve and say "it's incredible how this floor is fit just for me."
Anthropic principle, argument from ignorance, Douglas Adams. Look 'em up.
Oh, and gravity doesn't hold atoms together.
... imagine ... a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the
Better yet, imagine a dwarf wearing a red fedora and a fur coat and smoking a cigar.
Gravity doesn't do what you are trying to claim it does. Go back to highschool and read a real science book for a change.
99% of all species on this planet have gone extinct. Doesn't argue well for your "Design" bullshit.
"Let me ask you this, why do you think the law of gravity is so well calibrated that atoms don't rip themselves apart?"
Because if the earth's gravity were that intense, life wouldn't have evolved here.
"Why is the cosmological constant, imagine if you could a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the other end and imagine the inch in the center marked red and if that red marker is moved one inch higher or lower the universe would consist of pieces of matter no bigger than atoms, so fine tuned? You don't understand on how sharp of a raiser we stand."
That previous sentence was monumentally stupid, but this collection of words, and almost words, just jams my Fundie parser. It's an ID train wreck. It's horrible, but I just can't keep from looking.
"That's evidence enough for that part, there's design everywhere"
I disagree. There is not design anywhere. Only confined chaos. Which, of course, also proves Jesus.
"why do you think the law of gravity is so well calibrated that atoms don't rip themselves apart?"
Because then atoms wouldn't exist, and neither would the universe. The probability of a universe to exist when its ultimate components cannot exist in any form is approximately 0. The probability of intelligent life forming in a non-existent universe to ponder about how well gravity and atoms interact is exactly zero. The idea that atoms as we know them and gravity its in current form are the only possible pairings of the two that could allow for a universe to exist: laughable.
The ruler thing is rather arbitrary, and entirety of the fine-tuning argument fails so hard in its inability to imagine the possible equliibrium points that could intersect at so many points on the 6-magic cosmological constants so often brought up, that it is rather embarassing.
"imagine if you could a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the other end"
Like my favorite old saying goes, "give him an inch and he thinks he's a ruler."
Sir, the law of gravity is so weak that it has no effect at all on the scale of atoms.
You are obviously an idiot. Stop talking.
And it's not fine-tuned, because if it was just chance, we wouldn't be here to say "oh obviously it's chance because this is wrong"
A functional universe is to be expected given that life already exists, and it is no evidence one way or the other.
"imagine if you could a ruler with one inch intervals stretching from one end of the known universe to the other end..."
You've been watching waaaay too many creationist propaganda movies. Why don't you try watching this instead:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGEXMyFWyg
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