"Women have been liberated right out of the genuine freedom they enjoyed for centuries to oversee the home, rear the children, and pursue personal creativity; they have been brainwashed to believe that the absence of a titled, payroll occupation enslaves a woman to failure, boredom, and imprisonment within the confines of home"
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The way feminism really works, for those who aren't quite up to speed:
You can have a job. You can stay at home. You can have children. Or not. As long as it's your own choice and you had a choice in the first place.
"Freedom" is not entirely the same thing as "slavery."
My former babysitter chose being a stay-at-home mum because that's what suited her, and good for her. My mum chose being in the Army, because that's what suited her. As long as it's a choice and the choice is offered, it's fine.
You know, women still have the freedom to choose to be housewives and raise their children. Many women do it. That's the whole point of freedom, is that they can choose to do it, rather than being forced.
No no,
But obviously you fail to see that there are women out there who don´t want to be confined to a role as housewife and that it therefore gives us more freedom if we´re able to decide which path we want to follow (unlike in times maybe 200 years ago where a woman who wantd to pursue a job or study would be met with harsh resistance in a male dominated society)
Women have been liberated right out of the genuine freedom they enjoyed for centuries to oversee the home, rear the children, and pursue personal creativity;
they have been brainwashed to believe that the absence of a titled, payroll occupation enslaves a woman to failure, boredom, and imprisonment within the confines of home"
Welcome to prison. You have the freedom to wander around this 8x8 cell to your heart's content. Until it is time for lights-out, at which point you have the freedom to have a good nights sleep. At mealtime, you have the freedom of eating without preparing your food. And sometimes, you have the freedom to have a guy shove his dick up your ass. You have the freedom to not have a job, not pay any bills. All the freedom in the world. Oh, you want something else? Well that is just because after being on the outside you have been brainwashed to believe that all these other things are better.
See the difference? Me either...
"the genuine freedom they enjoyed for centuries to oversee the home, rear the children, and pursue personal creativity"
That would be the freedom to oversee the home as long as what they did pleased their husbands, to rear their children in a way that pleased their husbands and the Church, and to pursue personal creativity in whatever manner they wished as long as it pleased their husbands and the Church.
That's funny. I'm a raging feminist. I have a titled, payroll occupation and probably will for the foreseeable future, but it has nothing to do with my value as a human being. It just works better, for the moment, than trying to live on my SO's income as a graduate student. With luck, in a few years I'll be working out of the home, because I'm a homebody personally who enjoys home, children, knitting, cooking, etc.
But just because I enjoy those things doesn't mean every other woman must, too, and is feeling horrible that she doesn't have access to them. Nor that there aren't *men* who in fact enjoy cleaning, cooking, kids, etc. The things I love are not determined by my XX chromosome pair. No one life path is right for every person. We aren't the same just because we're on the same side of the gender spectrum.
And how are women like myself, who never married nor had children, to support ourselves? I do not have the option of staying in the family home, so I'm supposed to live off government handouts rather than work?
Women have been liberated right out of the genuine freedom they enjoyed for centuries to oversee the home, rear the children, and pursue personal creativity
I live in a fairly affluent community where many people can get along quite well on one income. If you come to our community pool on a weekday, you'll see a hundred young mothers there with their kids. There are still plenty of women (and a few men) staying home with their children - they just have to be able to afford it. "Genuine freedom" is often pretty expensive.
Okay, I love kids more than most girls my age (18). I adore playing with them and looking after them. If I had to do it all day, everyday, by myself with little adult contact, I'd go bonkers inside of a week. Doesn't mean i don't want a husband and kids, eventually. Just means that I want a career, too. Something to stimulate me besides Dora the Explorer and Itsy Bitsy Spider.
Does this idiot not see that her way is just a reversal of the way she mistakenly believes feminism to be? Two wrongs don't make a right.
I wonder if I wrote "please turn over" on both sides of a piece of paper it would keep Dorothy busy for hours?
@Adrian: Yes, it was called "the problem with no name". Betty Friedan wrote about it:
http://www.h-net.org/~hst203/documents/friedan1.html
It's called freedom of choice. It's that simple. It's the idea that women can be whatever they want to be. My mother works at a part-time job while still being a housewife. That's what she does. That's what she chooses to do.
And guess what, Dorothy, some families really can't afford to have the mother stay at home. Some mothers actually do have to work, due to financial issues, especially if they're single. We're not in an episode of "Leave it to Beaver."
And guess what, there are some men who actually enjoy staying at home with the kids while their wives work. There are actually some families where both parents share responsibilities. So, get over yourself.
Confused?
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