Human-Stupidity is open to science. Just prove me wrong, using science.
1.If unbiased free academic research can show that 17 year olds get traumatized for life for having sex with older people, we will support age-of-consent laws.
2.If the Rind study, and Susan Clancy can be proven wrong, by free unbiased academic research, we will support draconian decade-long punishments for all childhood sexuality.
3.We would stand corrected if the voodoo theory could be proven true, by free unbiased academic research: if it were proven that looking at photos of lightly clothed 15 year olds, downloaded for free from the internet does irreparable harm to the minors depicted. If that harm is so perverse that looking at the photos ruins the model’s life forever. And that downloading free photos truly stimulates the rape and abuse of innumerous children. Then we might agree that life in prison without parole is a proper punishment for possession of a few hundred photos, which are nothing else then 0’s and 1’s in files on a computer hard drive.
But against all odds, Milton Diamond, in peer reviewed research, proved the opposite: freely available child pornography reduces sex crimes against children, because many pedophiles can satisfy themselves merely by perusing pictures.
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But against all odds, Milton Diamond, in peer reviewed research, proved the opposite: freely available child pornography reduces sex crimes against children, because many pedophiles can satisfy themselves merely by perusing pictures.
Sure, who cares about those kids who are abused to make the porn they'll just have to take one for the team, huh?
I notice that you forgot to mention that Diamond proposed the use of fake child porn.
@Bad Wolf
Mama Fly's dead?!
@Wanderer
I was about to say what you were going to say.
As gross as it is, I'd rather some slime get off on pervy pedo animanga hentai than....y'know....real kids.
Still gross.
@SpukiKitty
Yep, seems so. Can't say I'm glad she's gone, because that would make me a sociopath or something, but reading up on her, I can say I will not be missing her. She opposed a Supreme Court Judge because he abolished executing minors, ffs. She was somebody's mother and grandmother and all that, and I'm sure their suffering without her, but...seriously, she opposed NOT executing children. Fuck her.
OT - alright asshole, and just where is all this therapeutic kiddy porn supposed to come from ,hm? Do the parents just take little Timmy to the friendly neighbourhood shorteyes for a photo session? Because I kinda predict a lot of dead cp-producers in that scenario.
And their deaths, I will cheer, sociopath or not.
@ SpukiKitty
"As gross as it is, I'd rather some slime get off on pervy pedo animanga hentai than....y'know....real kids. "
Unfortunately, that's only a hop, skip and jump away from perving on East Asian women for their perceived resemblance to prepubescents.
1. Age of consent in Sweden is 15 (unless the other person is a parent or guardian, then it's 18). You don't get traumatized for life for having your pockets picked, but that's still against the law.
2. From what I can see on Wikipedia (sure, not a perfect source), the Rind study wasn't free or unbiased itself.
3. Firstly, it's not a "model", it's a child. It's not one person looking, it's being spread all over the world, perhaps published in smut magazines, the thought of people jerking off to your picture, and the photo-taking itself, that do most harm. Oh, and see point 1. 15-17 year-olds probably suffer a little less harm than 0-14 year-olds, as they are more mature. Do you only want to lower age-of-consent-laws to 15? Or do you want to remove them completely? Month-old children are raped in South Africa (and elsewhere); they suffer perhaps-irreparable physical damage.
Children need extra protection by the society, as they are unable to protect themselves from adults who only think about their own gratification, and don't care whether the child is harmed or not. That's why crimes against children carry harsher punishment than other crimes.
If they are nothing else THAN 0 and 1; why have them in the first place?
Taking pornographic photos of children IS a sex crime against children, you asshole! Why not use CGI-ed pictures of children instead? If you say "that's not the same thing", then explain the difference. They are also only 0 and 1...
1. 18 as the age of consent is pretty ridiculous and created the idiotic idea of jailbaits in US, most countires have 16 or even a year under as the consent age.
3. As long as you stare at the clothing models from the fashion periodics or some such, better that than the alternative(if you really want, you can masturbate to the pictures of dogs defecating, disgusting but legal and does no harm to the animals), but child porn can only ever be legal or at least unpunished if drawn. simply put, in the case of the real deal some kids somewhere were forced to do it and by propagating this filth you`re guilty of supporting some sick fucks who made them do it.
@1975461
So it is, but so what, lolita porn is a thing and those are consenting adult actresses, one can suppose, not abused children porn slaves.
@Bad Wolf
And I will cut my empathy off for a minute to smoke a little celebratory Good Fucking Riddance joint.
The amount of trauma caused is dependent upon the individual involved, thus cannot be ethically reduced to "Studies show that X % of 15-year-olds....". So the informed consent of the person is required - and that requires a whole lot of input before any standard of the term "informed" is met - and that requires a level of maturity that a younger teen doesn't have. I suggest you've spilled over from stupidity to irrationality, with a giant helping of self-deception, possibly because you lack the maturity to make an informed decision yourself....
@the whole bunch of you -
That's wonderful news! It makes up for the insomnia that has me commenting here in the middle of the night. Thanks!
I more worry about kids being manipulated than the trauma. Let's face facts: teenagers don't have the best judgement in the world. I've been teaching high school for a while now, and...well, OK, the thought of someone my age working to seduce one of my students turns my stomach. I can also say a lot of them could be easily manipulated into a sexual relationship because, bluntly, they don't think shit through. Trauma is likely to occur afterward, mind.
1. No you won't, you'll claim that the study was flawed and use any weak arguments you can find to support your perverted beliefs.
2. See #1.
3. See #1.
And child pornography is a crime against children, so your assertion is flawed.
Who needs science to prove this? All the adults who still have serious psychological damage as a result of being sexually abused as children should be evidence enough!
@Schlafly's passing
Mmmh. My condolences to Andy, who's probably in the throes of grief at the passing of his mother and role model in one blow. Otherwise, at least she won't be ruining things for her fellow women anymore.
Ever since women got the vote, they embarked on a relentlessly drive to increase the age of consent from 12 to 18, eying to increase it to 21 within this century. Feminist and religious zealots make strange bedfellows.
Sounds like someone got caught!
@ Tempus: I heard that someone guessed her maiden name, and she stamped herself into the ground.
@More from Human Stupidity
Good then. However the legal adult age shouldn't be 18 or 21(although 21 is better), but it should ought be when person lives on their own and have a job
What a crappy proposal. What this person is looking for is to use anecdotes to dismantle age of consent and CP laws.
I have buddies that work in hospitals, and they have told me of the horrible injuries they have seen on children of all ages stemming from sexual abuse. Some of those stories involve taping for CP. Much rage is had after listening.
freely available child pornography reduces sex crimes against children, because many pedophiles can satisfy themselves merely by perusing pictures.
That's probably true, but the concern isn't for the pedophile; it's for the child who is forced or tricked into posing for such pornography. Would you be OK with pornographic pictures of your children being spread over the Internet?
First off you have to have the most appropriate screen name of all time, secondly if you had actually taken even a passing glance at Susan Clancy's study you would have seen that it does not justify pedophila, what she found was that victims of childhood sexual abuse often didn't experience trauma at the time of the event because they were too young to understand fully what was happening to them, and many were probably "groomed" by their abusers, leaving them confused about what they had went through. It wasn't until years later as they grew older that the realization of what had happened set in, leading to trauma and a host of other problems.
Of course given that you are a pedophile enabler (at best) you would take a Father's Day card showing a man carrying his little girl on his shoulders as a sign that your twisted view is correct.
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