I personally don't see how homosexuals can argue marriage is something that can be regulated by any of the states and they are therefore entitled to participate in it. Marriage is a covenant agreement between God and a man and his wife that they will be together until death. And if one subscribes to the notion of separation of church and state (as liberals purport to) then one cannot petition a state to obtain a marriage license as that would be the same thing as saying there is an official government religion and the petitioner is a participant in that religion. And that religion is one that recognizes the traditional definition of marriage, ie one derived from the Judeo-Christian. So as usual, they are trying to have it both ways.
Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and as with all choices, there are consequences. Instead of choosing to fit into society, they want society to pat them on the back and tell them they can do whatever they want without any negative consequences. That is delusional. If I eat nothing but ice cream I will eventually suffer the consequences of an unhealthy diet and I shouldn't expect everyone else to tell me it's okay because that is just who I am.
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Are only Christians and Jews are allowed to get married? What about Hindus or Buddhists or atheists?
And, homosexuality is not ice cream, and eating ice cream is not an orientation.
"And if one subscribes to the notion of separation of church and state (as liberals purport to) then one cannot petition a state to obtain a marriage license as that would be the same thing as saying there is an official government religion"
There is a separation of church and state therefore churches have nothing to say about marriage.
The so called covenent with so called god is fiction, so this so called marriage is is imaginary.
Unless you want islam telling you you aren't married because you have the wrong imaginary man you should render unto Ceasar that which is ceasar and stay on your side of the wall.
Oh, so marriage cannot be defined by a state? Are you really that willing to lose all state-given benefits for being married?
If I were answering that question, I'd be very careful about my answer.
I personally don't see how homosexuals can argue marriage is something that can be regulated by any of the states
Isn't states' rights exactly what the anti-gay marriage crowd is trying to use as a last-ditch effort to keep the bans?
And if one subscribes to the notion of separation of church and state (as liberals purport to) then one cannot petition a state to obtain a marriage license as that would be the same thing as saying there is an official government religion and the petitioner is a participant in that religion.
I guess you've never heard of secular weddings? All the marriage license does is say that the married couple are legal partners in that marriage with respect to property, taxes, medical decisions, etc. Whether they get married in a church or not has no bearing.
You do realize that there are churches that support gay marriage, right? You wouldn't infringe on their religious freedom to carry out marriages as they see fit, would you?
Y'all fuckers don't have a monopoly on marriage. As long as the government provides different rules for married and single people, then government gets to have their say.
If I eat nothing but ice cream I will eventually suffer the consequences of an unhealthy diet and I shouldn't expect everyone else to tell me it's okay because that is just who I am.
Would accept the government telling you that you cannot eat ice cream? If not, then your analogy fails miserably.
Repeat that "lifestyle choice" mantra all you want, Unreason, the scientific evidence keeps indicating that sexual orientation is not chosen.
Marriage has existed in every society, including those which had no concept of your tribal deity. Your religion has no monopoly on marriage, no matter how much you scream and whine to the contrary. Besides, the Torah describes marriage as a covenant between a man and his wiveS .
Marriage is a covenant agreement between God and a man and his wife that they will be together until death.
Which God?
Actually, marriage is a legal contract under the law that grants the signers certain privileges that those who haven't signed the contract don't get. The government can make that contract anything it chooses.
I'm seriously beginning to wonder if fundies are just too plain stupid to understand that CIVIL marriage is a legal contract between two parties defined and regulated by the state.
Any involvement by religion is purely voluntary.
"I personally don't see how homosexuals can argue marriage is something that can be regulated by any of the states and they are therefore entitled to participate in it."
Really? REALLY?
It is something the states ALREADY FUCKING DO with regular marriage just AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH.
I gotta go lie down.
Marriage is a covenant agreement between God and a man and his wife that they will be together until death.
Nah... that's a WEDDING... Remember, Jesus went to a wedding, not a marriage.
the traditional definition of marriage, ie one derived from the Judeo-Christian.
So, a father selling his virgin daughter to another man... that IS the traditional definition you're talking about.
"Marriage is a covenant agreement between God and a man and his wife "
How many wives and concubines did Abraham have?
How many wives and concubines did King Solomon have?
Which god is this again? Not the one in the bible..
Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives.
Genesis 16:1-4
Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.
Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had....
Genesis 26:34
Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.
Genesis 31:17
Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels.
Exodus 21:10
If he take him another wife....
Deuteronomy 21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated....
Judges 8:30
And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.
1 Samuel 1:1-2
Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.
2 Samuel 12:7-8
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel ... I gave thee ... thy master's wives....
1 Kings 11:2-3
Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines.
1 Chronicles 4:5
And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
2 Chronicles 11:21
Rehoboam ... took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.
2 Chronicles 13:21
But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives....
2 Chronicles 24:3
Jehoiada took for him two wives....
Mt.25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
You Shitstain. Of course the states control marriage! The final words of most weddings are, "by the power granted to me by the Sate of blank, I now pronounce you...."
Read the marriage license. It is issued under rules and authority of the state.
If a person wishes to be married outside the authority of the states, fine; but it means you or your spouse receive no tax benefits and no insurance benefits. You may be in good with Jebus, but you'll go broke fast.
Marriage has nothing to do with religion (or is supposed to have).
Ice-cream analogy fails big-time.
Next.
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Damn, these people saying *one man and one woman, says in the bible* ought to feel a bit stupid now.
Reason? Where this dumbass is, they don't NEED reason! Well, they do, but they haven't got any. My movie reference is still valid though, somehow!
1) The state has always regulated marriages.
2) Marriage predates Christianity and Judaism by thousands, possibly hundred of thousands, of years.
3) It's not a choice. And the only negative consequences are the ones you fuckwads create.
And if a fella says, "Hey fella, you should not be fuckin fellas" Maybe he should go and fuck a fella too.
Cause the world is full of fellas, who will try to put you down. All you have to do is hold your head up high and stand your ground.
No reason to retaliate, no reason to despise, 'cause he hates himself enough when he's jerking off to guys
All hail the Rubberbandits.
“I personally don't see how homosexuals can argue marriage is something that can be regulated by any of the states and they are therefore entitled to participate in it.”
Because the states control the licensing. I mean, long before the state recognized SSMs, i got invited to two shipmates who got married. They couldn’t make anyone recognize their status, not in 1982, but they did have the ceremony.
But even Mississippi has to recognize that I am the husband of my wife.
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