Also, what is the rate of population growth? If the flood never happened, wouldn't the world be over populated, based on the population rate of pre-flood life?
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Because in the fundie-verse people never die, there is never shortage of food, there is never disease, there is never war.
Wait, if the flood happened, then we would see more people around than we do today. Because there aren't more people around than he says there should be, it proves the flood?
I'm gettin' dizzy!
methinks OrangeWizard would analyze it as if the rate of growth were linear, and not exponential.
Also, disasters abounds have held back the rate of population growth over the centuries.
Well, since there were supposedly ten trillion people on earth before "the flood", going by those numbers we're a bit far off overpopulation at this point.
(by most reality-based assessments however, we already do have overpopulation. It's just a question of by how much.)
This has been covered quite well by major historical accomplishments occuring shortly after only eight people being the only humans left (at least against Fundies who claim this was only 4500 years ago)
China and Egypt have documentation 500 years either side of this. It breaks down to (even with a lot of children being born to noahs group, and their grandchildren of less than 100 people in all ancient kingdoms
The current rate of population growth was made possible by modern medicine, agriculture, water purification and transportation. Once again, a basic knowledge of science blows away a religious funadamentalists' cherished myths.
Figuring a population growth of 0.5% (Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 167-169.) from the estimated date of the supposed flood (2490 B.C.E.), starting with only 8 people, then Moses, in 1446 B.C.E., would have been leading his 600K men plus women and children out of Egypt when the world's population was only 726.
Once again, xtians demonstrate with their own logic how the events in the Bible are impossible and full of B.S.
Your "population growth" argument has been debunked.
The world IS grossly overpopulated. Simply because humans are fucking idiots who don't know when to stop making babies (I'm talking to YOU Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar) and our infant/maternal mortality rate has dropped to almost 0 (in 1st world countries). Therefore: more idiots breeding, less offspring dying = too many people!
Since people can't live, in general, more than 120 years and the life expectancy then was.................less than 50.Ok, do PROPPER math.
> Also, what is the rate of population growth? If the flood never happened, wouldn't the world be over populated, based on the population rate of pre-flood life?
The population growth has been considered. If the Flood happened, wouldn't the world be underpopulated ? Since you seem to have all of the answers to the questions raised by the Bible, what the heck happened to the humanity between the Flood and the Exodus? Where the heck did all those people come from?
And for that matter, where the heck did all of these animal species come? Was there some sort of brief period of hyperevolution?
Well, yes, but with King David's slaughters, the witch-burnings and many many Xians vs. everybody else wars, God's hit men have helped keep numbers down.
Wizard, there's this thing called "infant mortality." Back before we discovered that germs cause diseases, more than half of all babies born died before they could reproduce.
And that's just one mechanism of population control. There are dozens more.
And the world is reaching its human population limit. One-sixth of us don't get enough to eat. Either we need to control our birth rate better, or there's gonna be a hell of a lot of tragic deaths in the next century.
No. It wouldn't because of little things like wars, plagues, diseases, short lifespans, starvations, etc.
I guess you don't know a thing about the various diseases and plagues that managed to decrease the population drastically several times.
Seriously, how could you even try to ask something so stupid. Then is then, now is now. Shit happens in between.
@Sisyphus
But in the 3rd world their population keeps going up to the point where those nations cannot even feed half of them effectively.
Of course Fundis can't stand to allow aid groups provide things such as "Birth Control" there so the problem just gets worse.
The Black Plague, natural disasters, wars, genocides, etc. You were saying?
By the way, the world IS over-populated, dangerously so, actually.
"Also, what is the rate of population growth? If the flood never happened, wouldn't the world be over populated, based on the population rate of pre-flood life?"
Two Words that destroys the notion of a 'Flood' as described in the Bible, OrangeWizard:
Ancient China.
The earth is overpopulated, and our growth rate has increased significantly in recent history due to better hygiene, medical care, medicine, food, and technology. Next.
OrangeWizard, breeding is the easy part, then comes the raising of the kids, the care and education they need. They also need food and drinking water, and some kind of useful occupation.
We are not rabbits, human kids are not ready to take care of themselves at age one.
Wow, we have a lot of first-world privileged fuckwits on this board.
Dudes, learn the difference: overpopulation vs. overconsumption . It's quite possible to support the current human population -- it would just require some halfway-sane means of organizing and distributing things like food instead of this weird cult-cum-Mafia-esque privilege-amplifying global system we have at the moment.
The word "fornication" comes from the word "porneia,"- no the word fornication comes from the latin word fornix, which means archway, it is a euphemism for a vagina.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornication- i know wikipedia is not a great source, but it's a hell of a lot better than your ass.
Forget the human population! Humans reproduce relatively few offspring and relatively infrequently compared to some animals.
Take rats for instance. I used to have pet rats. We bred a a few of them. It's been several years, but if I can recall correctly, brown rats have an average of 12 pups per litter. Females can have up to five litters per year. It takes pups about three months to reach reproductive maturity.
I'm terrible at math, but I'm pretty sure that if you assume constant population growth, humans are the least of your problems. If the human population means the world can only be a few thousand years old, well, I'm not sure whether rats would put us in the realm of days or years, but it would mean the world is a lot younger than you think.
You fail exponential growth.
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